Chinese state media blasts US shutdown, calls for a 'de-Americanized' world - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Valnar;42528723]Big country-country clashes haven't happened since WWII because it isn't really economical for them to occur.[/QUOTE] And no one wants to risk a nuclear war so people are forced to go through other means, as terrible as that sounds.

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;42528886]China isn't a suitable superpower, they have a fantastic economy but their human rights + political system is balls IMO The EU looks way better in my eyes, they are run by people who seem to know what they're doing and seem they can manage their money both domestically and internationally way better than the US[/QUOTE] Why does the world need a superpower in the first place? For what reason does another country or region need to supplant the US as "leader of the world"? And if Greece is any indicator, the EU is definitely not infallible.

[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;42528719]I too am looking forward to the upcoming nuclear apocalypse. [editline]15th October 2013[/editline] Living? overrated.[/QUOTE] Never said I was looking forward to it. I'm not a monster. [editline]15th October 2013[/editline] Besides, I've been proven wrong and I take back what I said. I went down to Ladbrookes and now I'm betting on when the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man will come down and call me a shit, since it had better odds.

Lol china could never successfully invade the united states, their navy is far inferior to ours not to mention they only have one aircraft carrier. If we were to invade them though, that might be another story. /armchair general

As long as Australia isn't in charge of anything ever then it will be fine. [IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9b/Tony_Abbott_-_2010.jpg[/IMG]

Australia should take control of the commonwealth and become the new superpower

Most economists are under the impression that the Chinese are cooking the books, so to speak. They've not been extremely transparent about their growth rate. I think somewhere deep in CPC HQ, someone is looking at his ledger of what must be the cleartext numbers of Chinese economy and going "shitshitshitshit" while watching the news of the US government inching closer to a default. The Chinese need the Americans as an export market as much as the Chinese hold a lot of US debt. However, to admit this kind of fear in public would risk the populace questioning the all-mighty CPC's economic decisions and it'd be better, population control wise, to put on the face of being angry with the US than it would be "US please sort your shit out, I'm dyin' over here"

[QUOTE=Medevila;42529084]Yeah as it's sorta been said, by "de-Americanized" world, China wouldn't mean to cede control to benevolent Europeans, it means a "Chinanized" world[/QUOTE] Who gets to boss other people around is and always has been irrelevant to the Chinese. What matters is that nobody gets to boss [I]them[/I] around. The heart of asian nationalism lies within the ability to control your own land and people. The rest of the world doesn't really matter very much. So when they say a "De-Americanized world" what they really mean is a De-Americanized China. They don't want be the next Nazi Germany or Soviet Union, they just want to be the China they've always been.

China makes a comment on america's place on the global political stage and suddenly you're all talking about China going full-on Red Dawn and Mutually Assured Destruction come on guys you're better than this.

[QUOTE=snookypookums;42529362]Most economists are under the impression that the Chinese are cooking the books, so to speak. They've not been extremely transparent about their growth rate. I think somewhere deep in CPC HQ, someone is looking at his ledger of what must be the cleartext numbers of Chinese economy and going "shitshitshitshit" while watching the news of the US government inching closer to a default. The Chinese need the Americans as an export market as much as the Chinese hold a lot of US debt. However, to admit this kind of fear in public would risk the populace questioning the all-mighty CPC's economic decisions and it'd be better, population control wise, to put on the face of being angry with the US than it would be "US please sort your shit out, I'm dyin' over here"[/QUOTE]It's actually a point that China is more dependent on the U.S. than we are on them. If something happens to us, they'll collapse pretty much overnight.

i'd much prefer an americanized world than a chinized(?) world

[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;42528589]It's virtually impossible. American civilians have too many guns.[/QUOTE] Then turn the civillians into ash

[QUOTE=LoLWaT?;42528582]I wonder how long it would take the Chinese to sieze control of America if they invaded... I'm talking a full on invasion, cause it seems the world is gettin' tired of our shit. [I]*hypothetically* [/I] [editline] 15 October, 2013 [/editline] When I thought this out I was thinking of a 1:1 scenario with no other factors involved, which is realistically impossible. Ignore this if you want, probably should have given it just a few more seconds of thought. [editline] 15 October, 2013 [/editline] I regret everything[/QUOTE] [img]http://horobox.reager.org/u/MegaChalupa_1381912667.png[/img]

China doesn't even know how much debt it has. This is no joke. They seriously don't. They send out "investigators" to look through their "counties" books. Only found German sources but you might find fun stuff here [url]http://www.ft.com/indepth/china-debt-dragon[/url]

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;42528523] I mean they have a great economy something America could never build but idk[/QUOTE] Lets take a trip back to 20s, 40s, 50s, USA.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;42528544]The EU? How about China.[/QUOTE] FUCK NO Im western, please, the next superpower, be western. I don't care if I have to see red banner fly over the Kremlin again, but for fucks sake, don't let the Chinese be the superpower. I just can't imagine what it would be like to be constantly submerged in Chinese culture, it would be a hell of a shock. Dogs instead of Cows? Lotus feet? No, please no.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;42528527]Biggest holder of [I]foreign[/I] debt, which isn't much compared to overall domestic debt.[/QUOTE] And Japan holds almost as much debt as China.

Yes, lets go with regional hegemonies. That [B]totally[/B] doesn't spark massive destructive wars the obliterate and slow down large societies.

[QUOTE=LoganIsAwesome;42529747]Lets take a trip back to 20s, 40s, 50s, USA.[/QUOTE] The period marked with the highest taxation in American history! :v:

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;42530507]The period marked with the highest taxation in American history! :v:[/QUOTE] Which went to things like infrastructure and shite.

Why do some of you guys think that China would actually be able to invade and take over America successfully? As much as some of you don't want to believe it America has one of the best if not the best equipped military's in the world. Also do you honestly believe the rest of NATO would just all sit around and let America get invaded? And having a overwhelming force doesn't really ensure victory either.

[QUOTE=pvt.jenkins;42530559]Why do some of you guys think that china would actually be able to invade and take over America successfully? As much as some of you don't want to believe it America has one of the best if not the best equipped military's in the world. Also do you honestly believe the rest of NATO would just all sit around and let America get invaded? And having a overwhelming force doesn't really ensure victory either.[/QUOTE] I don't think anyone is expecting China to attack anyone - I think the Chinese know that well enough. However, their country collapsing has serious consequences for other countries in Asia and that's a huge, terrifying problem.

[QUOTE=LoLWaT?;42528582]I wonder how long it would take the Chinese to sieze control of America if they invaded... I'm talking a full on invasion, cause it seems the world is gettin' tired of our shit. [I]*hypothetically* [/I] [editline] 15 October, 2013 [/editline] When I thought this out I was thinking of a 1:1 scenario with no other factors involved, which is realistically impossible. Ignore this if you want, probably should have given it just a few more seconds of thought. [editline] 15 October, 2013 [/editline] I regret everything[/QUOTE] Invading the mainland US is a suicide move. It WILL be stopped and it WILL be pushed back. There isn't an army on this planet that could pull it off.

China will have a massive economic crash. There are so many factors to their economy that are unstable. You can't count on them keeping manufacturing as their economy rises. They invest in even riskier assets than the US. They are going to have a property bubble soon. It might not be in the next 10 years, but the fact is that despite everything, the US economy is [I]still[/I] a safer bet then the promising and rapidly growing Chinese economy.

[QUOTE=TestECull;42530808]Invading the mainland US is a suicide move. It WILL be stopped and it WILL be pushed back. There isn't an army on this planet that could pull it off.[/QUOTE] The south would be horrible to try and invade especially. 'Murrican patriotism.

[QUOTE=MegaChalupa;42529097]And if Greece is any indicator, the EU is definitely not infallible.[/QUOTE] Except the European Union isn't an overbearing system that dictates your goals. The Greek people fucked themselves up with their greed. There's a reason the EU rejected them the first time. But when their second attempt was accepted (even though they probably lied about numbers to squeeze within EU criteria), the Greeks' wildest dreams came true. Interest rates fell to nearly non-existent levels and the loaning could begin to fund wage growths that would double wages and fund the most generous pension program the world had ever seen (people retained about 90% of their pre-retirement wage as pensions, coupled with a quickly aging population - imagine the upkeep!) over the following decade. Oh, and hosting the Olympics back in 2004 cost about 9 billion euros. In short, they abused the trust the EU collective gave them to line their pockets instead of trying to pay their already substantial pre-EU debts, which snowballed into a debt greater than their GDP, with a budget deficit of twice the EU average (13.6%), meaning that debt was sure to not fall quickly at all. Then came the magnum opus of the international rating agencies. By cutting Greece's credit rating (it costs much more to loan than it did), they set off a vicious cycle, fucking Greece up even further.

On the topic of war, no matter how the context: If it came to a war on a global scale, it'd be really bad news. It would be the first global open conflict in which most/all involved have weapons capable of the destruction of our world order, and potentially our whole species. [QUOTE=lintz;42531094]It's not going to come to war you hyperbolic fucks.[/QUOTE] Of fucking course it isn't. I just like to throw in fun thoughts.

It's not going to come to war you hyperbolic fucks.

[QUOTE=lintz;42531094]It's not going to come to war you hyperbolic fucks.[/QUOTE] Not with the US, but I'm sure China could easily stomp Vietnam and the other regional countries.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;42528527]Biggest holder of [I]foreign[/I] debt, which isn't much compared to overall domestic debt.[/QUOTE] And the biggest holder is JAPAN. And China doesn't actually have even a bigger economy than Japan. 60 percent of their GDP is in government real estate projects that sit empty and it's about to bubble out and destroy their economy. Keep in mind, when we were on the brink of a depression in 08, 10-15 percent of the gdp of western nations was in real estate that was being used and commissioned.