HP announces a dangerous gamble: the HP Elite X3, an extremely powerful Windows Phone - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;50832507]I would. It's current-gen. Just because worse phones exist doesn't make them not the standard. All of the current gen phones are using the same hardware, that makes it standard.[/QUOTE] Right, but I don't think you understand the context of the original post. I'm not saying it's extremely powerful BECAUSE it's a Windows Phone, I'm saying it's extremely powerful COMPARED to every other Windows Phone. Apart from the Lumia 950 and 950XL, no WP comes close to touching this one. Hence, an extremely powerful Windows Phone.

[QUOTE=Snoberry Tea;50832497]So by virtue of being a windows phone, this bog standard device is "extremely powerful"? I hate to say it but that certainly doesn't bode well for the brand.[/QUOTE] If by bog standard you mean flagship top of the line, yeah.

[QUOTE=FlandersNed;50832502]I don't think I'd call high-end phones like this bog-standard, regardless of whether it matches specs with other phones like the S7.[/QUOTE] I guess if you consider all other flagship phones "extremely powerful"...

What's the point of a powerful phone? For $1,200 AUD no less. You may as well just go buy a tablet or laptop if you need an on the go machine.

[QUOTE=ashxu;50832571]What's the point of a powerful phone? For $1,200 AUD no less. You may as well just go buy a tablet or laptop if you need an on the go machine.[/QUOTE] same reason people wear watches instead of carrying alarm clocks everywhere

[QUOTE=Perrine;50832592]same reason people wear watches instead of carrying alarm clocks everywhere[/QUOTE] this analogy doesn't work because you can't do shit on a phone like type up documents or multi-task well. Hence suggesting a tablet or laptop.

If there was a phone that could actually run my desktop applications I'd buy it in a heartbeat

[QUOTE=ashxu;50832612]this analogy doesn't work because you can't do shit on a phone like type up documents or multi-task well. Hence suggesting a tablet or laptop.[/QUOTE] i meant that phones are more portable and less of a burden to carry around

[QUOTE=ashxu;50832612]this analogy doesn't work because you can't do shit on a phone like type up documents or multi-task well. Hence suggesting a tablet or laptop.[/QUOTE] That's exactly what this phone is for though. I can dock this Lumia 950xl or connect to a smart TV and it becomes a fully fledged Windows 10 (ARM) PC. The dock has USB ports and the phone comes with the full office suite.

[QUOTE=Perrine;50832640]i meant that phones are more portable and less of a burden to carry around[/QUOTE] are you a 90 year old man in that you can't carry a bag with a laptop?

I imagine it'd be easier to carry around a phone than a full laptop or tablet just because of the pocket aspect. That doesn't make him an "old man". Phones are just inherently more mobile.

[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;50832417]Literally the only reason to pick an android phone over a windows phone is the applist. Apps aside Windows Phones are excellent.[/QUOTE] And customization/freedom. Windows phone is another walled garden that doesn't even pamper you like iOS does. [QUOTE=Snickerdoodle;50832779]I imagine it'd be easier to carry around a phone than a full laptop or tablet just because of the pocket aspect. That doesn't make him an "old man". Phones are just inherently more mobile.[/QUOTE] It really depends on what you do. If your computer is a facebook machine with maybe writing a document or two occasionally, you don't really need to carry around a laptop all the time. If you're like me and do a lot of things and like to do them efficiently e.g. note taking, presentations, etc. carrying a laptop is pretty much a necessity.

It's such an impressive thing, but I juts can't justify spending $800 for power I'm honestly not even going to fully use.

[QUOTE=Van-man;49791352]There's already issues with apps focusing primarily on either Android or iOS, while the secondary choice have a atrocious version. You can bet that appmakers ain't gonna be bothered with a third. Blackberry solved that with clean room emulating the app environment for Android, but as per usual they fucked something else up big time.[/QUOTE] They've made it really, really cheap and easy to port from iOS now. It shouldn't take too much effort now for a company to do the port, change a few things around to make it more consistent with Windows Phone's visual identity and UI conventions, and just release it.

I had a big arse Lumia phone from work, I got bored with it in about 10 mins. Customisation and apps are non-existant and the UI looks pants.

[QUOTE=MedicWine;49790876]Switching from Android to WP is like Windows to Linux. You're sacrificing a [I]lot[/I] of good software for that.[/QUOTE] I don't really think it's comparable. On Linux, there's a TON of software. An unbelievable amount of software. In fact, other than videogames, since linux is such a great development platform, I think most software is design first for Linux. You have to consider cli applications as well.

I love Windows Phone and I hope this kicks off a resurgence in developer investment in the platform.

You know if people keep holding up "Just announced but its going to fail anyway" then yeah no fucking shit that it will fail if you keep talking about it like that, such sites/articles are scaring away potential developers perhaps.

[QUOTE=FlandersNed;50832515]Right, but I don't think you understand the context of the original post. I'm not saying it's extremely powerful BECAUSE it's a Windows Phone, I'm saying it's extremely powerful COMPARED to every other Windows Phone. Apart from the Lumia 950 and 950XL, no WP comes close to touching this one. Hence, an extremely powerful Windows Phone.[/QUOTE] No I understand and that was exactly my point. If it's considered "extremely powerful" by virtue of being compared to other existing windows phones, that does not bode well for the brand.

[QUOTE=SuperDuperScoot;49793673]I really don't see this failing for any other reason than potential heating problems. HP has a knack for designing some of their more portable stuff so horribly in the cooling sector (see: their dv series of laptops) that they have extreme overheating issues within months, and within about 2 years, fucking melt themselves to the point of complete inusability as such it was the case with my old dv5, and my friend's dv7. And shoving this much power in a phone? I [I]cannot[/I] see this going well. At all.[/QUOTE] That's their consumer line of laptops, which are usually pretty bad in that regard. When it comes to their more expensive business and enterprise lines, HP is actually really good. Much like Dell.

Still using my old 920 that I've had for about 4 years now, I love the little guy. Seriously, the only killer for WP is the lack of apps, and, for me personally, the lack of alternate launchers and the like that allow for more in-depth forms of customization. Those two things aside, it's seriously the best phone I've ever owned.

I don't know why people are saying it's going to flop as a consumer smart phone when it's not even designed to be one. It's for business and enterprise customers and as someone who travels frequently for work this is a really solid looking enterprise phone, I used a blackberry at one point for work years ago and it was fine but this Windows movement towards turning Windows into one cohesive package is really appealing because it gives you way more productive capabilities through just your phone.

It's a shame Microsoft canned their planned Intel x86 Surface phones. It's like they don't want their mobile platform to succeed!

I don't mind a lack of apps I just want security and reliability on my phone.

Horrible idea when Microsoft themselves has pretty much abandoned the WP platform.

please give us more and better apps :frown:

[QUOTE=Reagy;49790862]I hate this type of attitude, Windows Phone is very good and the more devices the better.[/QUOTE] The OS is fine, and if all you want is just an OS, Windows Phones are great. But Apps make a device. Without programs on my PC other than Windows, it's boring and barely does what a PC is capable of doing. Phones are the same way, and Android/iOS offer more. FAR more If all you need is just a phone that can text, set alarms and send email, Go for windows phone. But it's still not great. Microsoft's own Outlook app doesn't even let you save attachments. I'm almost positive it used to, but for some reason it doesn't now

Iunno, I prefer Android over WP; but I'm a poweruser. (also prefer material design to the microsoft flat design). But WPs are still nice and often very smooth to use.

Having actually tried a windows phone on my work as a test to see how well it performed, I will never consider another windows phone again. The OS might appear to be nice, but as you dive deeper into it you keep running your head against the wall with minor bugs everywhere (atleast on the lumia something phone I tried). The vast majority of these bugs are just pretty annoying, but it's bugs that you'd run into if you just used the phone yourself, so I kinda arrived at the conclusion that none of the WP developers themself use their own OS, otherwise all these minor bugs would probably have been fixed. Not to mention, the speaker on the phone died in less than 3 (!) months, so I had to use a headset to accept calls and what not. The hardware in this phone isn't all that impressive anymore either, is it? ESPECIALLY not at that insane price! The [URL="https://oneplus.net/3"]One Plus 3[/URL] has the same processor, more RAM, same amount of internal storage, a 1080p screen though still with gorilla glass, slightly smaller screen and only 3000 mAh, BUT, it's only 400$ and runs (in my opinion) a better OS in Android. Is Windows Phone OS, 33% bigger battery and a 2k screen really worth 400$? I don't think so personally.

[QUOTE=FlandersNed;49790855]The HP Elite x3 features a quad-core Qualcomm Snapdragon 820 processor, 4GB of RAM, 64 GB of internal storage, a 6-inch 2K display with Corning Gorilla Glass 4, dual Iris and fingerprint scanners for security, and dual front-facing stereo speakers by Bang & Olufsen for unparalleled conference call quality. [/QUOTE] Those specs are excedingly average for almost any flagship smart phone. I've never owned a Windows Phone, why are they saying it's powerful? Are most Windows Phones really underpowered or something?