• As police move to adopt body cameras, storage costs set to skyrocket
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Maybe if we legalize a few safe recreational drugs we could give our law enforcers more tax revenue to protect themselves and citizens.
[QUOTE=Sableye;48642870]How about the delete the massive unwarranted databases of licensplates and GPS data they've been collecting for a decade, that'd free up a few terabytes [editline]8th September 2015[/editline] It's actually sort of an interesting challenge since companies like Google have built their entire businesses around the assumption that storage is free, I have to wonder though on the type of storage they're using, if its all raw uncompressed data then they're just wasting tons of money, long term digital archiving of video and sound has been thoroughly studied for decades now and compression schemes can be made to greatly shrink the file size without appreciable loss in quality, these cameras aren't high rez after all nor is the microphone active at all times, its sound triggered[/QUOTE] Probably not more than a few gigs really. You're talking about a pretty simple SQL database probably (that also serves a purpose) As to google, amazon and the others. They very much have not built their business on a free storage assumption. Storage and bandwith is probably one of their highest running cost segments. Remember the impact on HDD costs after the 09 asian tsunani? That had huge repercussions for a lot of companies.
[QUOTE=cody8295;48648691]Maybe if we legalize a few safe recreational drugs we could give our law enforcers more tax revenue to protect themselves and citizens.[/QUOTE] literally would not solve the problem. Thanks for bringing marijuana into an unrelated thread
[QUOTE=JohnFisher89;48648575]Nah not really, you can easily get a 30-40TB NAS appliance from major vendors for around 20ish grand(even with dual SP's and raid 50). Problem is maintaining it, lot's of departments in government will usually have the city host all their data then do a chargeback program, securing that data to meet state infosec laws, and backing that data up.[/QUOTE] Consider 8 hours of 1080p footage per day for 100 officers, stored for at least a year. At a 12 Mbps bitrate that's 8*100*60*60*12/8*365=1.5 petabytes. That's a long shot scenario but I don't think we're going to be able to handle this with a 20TB NAS. [QUOTE=cody8295;48648691]Maybe if we legalize a few safe recreational drugs we could give our law enforcers more tax revenue to protect themselves and citizens.[/QUOTE] "Wow, what a dumb post," thought everyone. "Oh, it's Cody." Can you ever not shitpost about weed in a cop thread? Next you'll be telling us about how it cured your cancer and you drive high all the time.
Oh look, it's the storage problem that detractors have mentioned, but proponents of cameras have ignored.
You have a Birmingham too, that's cute. Probably not as big of a shithole as ours however.
[QUOTE=BFG9000;48643690]The same people who are demanding that police have body cams are also demanding that we fund police less[/QUOTE] I think American police need to learn to prioritise their funding rather than giving them more, maybe buy less SWAT gear for raiding residential neighbourhoods or whatever
[QUOTE=Tacooo;48651877]I think American police need to learn to prioritise their funding rather than giving them more, maybe buy less SWAT gear for raiding residential neighbourhoods or whatever[/QUOTE] Tell me what what part of this budget is prioritized wrong? [url]https://www.cityofmadison.com/police/documents/annualReport2014.pdf[/url] Page 43 of the report (page 45 of PDF viewing). 85% of the budget is just paying for benefits and wages. The last 15% pays for [I]everything[/I] else in the department. [editline]10th September 2015[/editline] 92% of the budget is non-negotiable. So really its the lat 8% of the budget that pays for [I]everything[/I] else
[QUOTE=Arrows;48651707]You have a Birmingham too, that's cute. Probably not as big of a shithole as ours however.[/QUOTE] Birmingham, AL is about as shitty as the rest of Alabama. That is to say, immensely shitty.
[QUOTE=Tacooo;48651877]I think American police need to learn to prioritise their funding rather than giving them more, maybe buy less SWAT gear for raiding residential neighbourhoods or whatever[/QUOTE] That swat gear is often free for american police. Army leftovers. It's why so many small american departments can actually maintain their own swat teams., rather than have one centralised one or whatever. Generally speaking what police department funding goes to a) wages (probably biggest segment) b) operating costs - heating, vehicle gas, building maintenance c) everything else.
Frankly I'm sure having to spend a couple extra thousands or so on camera storage is more cost effective than the potential millions lost in legal fees from people claiming abuse, plus it should help put people's trust back into law enforcement if they know officers are going to be watched every move and it will also help police cases when evidence is considered lacking.
[QUOTE=GordonZombie;48653179]Frankly I'm sure having to spend a couple extra thousands or so on camera storage is more cost effective than the potential millions lost in legal fees from people claiming abuse, plus it should help put people's trust back into law enforcement if they know officers are going to be watched every move and it will also help police cases when evidence is considered lacking.[/QUOTE] These storage systems are quite expensive. I think Taser actually mentioned legal costs once when selling Evidence.com but it backfired when it was revealed that the vast majority of those cases were settled out-of-court for pennies on the dollar.
[QUOTE=Snowmew;48653860]These storage systems are quite expensive. I think Taser actually mentioned legal costs once when selling Evidence.com but it backfired when it was revealed that the vast majority of those cases were settled out-of-court for pennies on the dollar.[/QUOTE] They're certainly not millions though. I'm starting to think your view on storage is balls to the walls top end EMC SANS though.
[QUOTE=J Paul;48642835]Why would we need to store it? I feel like with something like police body cams, the footage is only useful and worth keeping if there was an actual incident and the footage is needed in court. All the other hours they're recording and nothing is happening can surely be dumped.[/QUOTE] The footage is useful when there's NOT an incident, so that the cops can show the footage in court and say "see I didnt do anything wrong" to clear their names. Cops don't just destroy records because they think they might not be relevant later on
[QUOTE=Levelog;48654045]They're certainly not millions though. I'm starting to think your view on storage is balls to the walls top end EMC SANS though.[/QUOTE] Large departments subject to huge amounts of lawsuits (NYPD, LAPD, etc.) [i]would[/i] be paying millions on storage. My theoretical 100-officer example comes out to about $45,000 a month in cloud storage alone; that doesn't take bandwidth, security, etc. into account. That's just for basic bytes. If NYPD gave a body cam to each and every of their 30,000+ sworn officers, that would be $162 million per year in storage costs.
[QUOTE=wraithcat;48652918]That swat gear is often free for american police. Army leftovers. It's why so many small american departments can actually maintain their own swat teams., [U]rather than have one centralised one or whatever[/U][/QUOTE] Also there [I]isn't[/I] a centralised one. US Police Departments are all independent. State police are run by their State Government, Cities by City Government, Municipal by Municipal Government, etc. The closest thing would be FBI Police, but they only hang around FBI Buildings and other Federal properties. FBI SWAT exists, but cannot react nearly as fast as Local SWAT.
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