• Quebec beekeeper accused of Nazi war crimes
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[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;35743172]There's no proof he's a war criminal. It's just speculations. Not to mention, if we get all war criminals, why aren't we arresting all these heads who order attacks that result in so many innocent deaths? Oh right, cause we're fighting bad people and since we are the good ones, we do not commit crimes.[/QUOTE] Not much we can do about war criminals who are in countries that support them without invading. Best to deal with the ones we can get at.
Chasing down old nazi soldiers for something that happened that long ago is so pointless.
[QUOTE=BusterBluth;35743796]It was a necessary act of evil considering the millions of people who where projected to die if an invasion of main land Japan was to happen. Which is why people defend it, not because it was okay because we did it, but because it was unfortunately necessary.[/QUOTE] no way in hell is nuking cities full of people 'unfortunately necessary' noooo waaay
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;35743914]no way in hell is nuking cities full of people 'unfortunately necessary' noooo waaay[/QUOTE] Would you rather millions die in the inevitable invasion?
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;35743804]Not much we can do about war criminals who are in countries that support them without invading. Best to deal with the ones we can get at.[/QUOTE] Why and how? What are you going to do to a 90 year old nazi who lives a peaceful and productive life? Put him in jail? Why? [editline]28th April 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=carcarcargo;35743927]Would you rather millions die in the inevitable invasion?[/QUOTE] Nuking a more remote place would've probably stopped the war too. Though history is history and discussing alternatives seems pointless.
[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;35743929]Why and how? What are you going to do to a 90 year old nazi who lives a peaceful and productive life? Put him in jail? Why?[/QUOTE] Adolf Einchmann and many other Nazi officials also went off to live somewhat peaceful lives, but what if we'd let them get away with it. That would tell all future war criminals that as long as they're good at hiding and stop their war crimes at the hint that they are beginning to lose, they can get away with what they did. You just can't give off the message. [editline]28th April 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=AceOfDivine;35743929]Why and how? What are you going to do to a 90 year old nazi who lives a peaceful and productive life? Put him in jail? Why? [editline]28th April 2012[/editline] Nuking a more remote place would've probably stopped the war too. Though history is history and discussing alternatives seems pointless.[/QUOTE] A remote area probably wouldn't have showed the power of it as much, never mind the fact that the American's still had no real idea of the potential destruction the bombs would cause. Nagasaki could possibly be called unnecessary however, considering the Japanese were already willing to surrender after the first bomb, with the second being more to scare the Russians.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;35743927]Would you rather millions die in the inevitable invasion?[/QUOTE] no because that wouldn't have happened. man, don't you see how awful it is to kill the shit out of fuckloads of people with goddamn nuclear bombs and then radiation poisoning shitloads more for generations simply because some assholes projected how many people they thought would die otherwise? i mean come on, there was no reason to even invade japan anyway at the end of the war they were an island nation with a destroyed fleet what could they possibly do???
[QUOTE=Lankist;35737544]apart from the fact that they wiped two civilian cities completely off the map, killing more people in an instant than all the torture japan committed against combatants combined? [editline]27th April 2012[/editline] terrifying fact: initially, Truman was going to bomb the capital (and, you know, the emperor), but a rainstorm was approaching, so on the spur of the moment he decided to bomb a civilian target instead. The bombing of civilian cities was not planned. It was circumstance. A last-minute decision while the bomb was in-flight that wiped thousands of innocent civilians off the face of this Earth. Because Truman didn't want a few Americans to turn on the windshield wipers, he killed thousands of innocent foreign nationals. Don't pretend that isn't monstrous.[/QUOTE] You ether have bad information or are pulling stuff out of your ass. Both of the city's that where bombed where pre planned bombing targets. Its true that Kokura was the first choice for the dropping of Fat Man but due to cloud coverage it was decided to change targets to Nagasaki, which was the second choice to Kokura. Tokyo was never intended to be the target of ether bombing missions.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;35743981]no because that wouldn't have happened. man, don't you see how awful it is to kill the shit out of fuckloads of people with goddamn nuclear bombs and then radiation poisoning shitloads more for generations simply because some assholes projected how many people they thought would die otherwise? i mean come on, there was no reason to even invade japan anyway at the end of the war they were an island nation with a destroyed fleet what could they possibly do???[/QUOTE] The same that happened with Germany could very well have happened, with the country refusing to ceasefire even after the enemy has pushed them back to their capitol. If that would have happened then even more would likely have died. Don't get me wrong I'd rather no one had had to die, but I'm not going to condemn them for using the bombs when they had very limited options.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;35744052]The same that happened with Germany could very well have happened, with the country refusing to ceasefire even after the enemy has pushed them back to their capitol. If that would have happened then even more would likely have died. Don't get me wrong I'd rather no one had had to die, but I'm not going to condemn them for using the bombs when they had very limited options.[/QUOTE] germany had shitloads of people scrambling to make deals with the allies once they invaded. the same thing would of happened, but again, island nation why bother invading? really i think that no matter what when it comes to nuclear bombs the end doesn't justify the means unless it was like fighting aliens or some shit who were literally gonna wipe out humanity
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;35744073]germany had shitloads of people scrambling to make deals with the allies once they invaded. the same thing would of happened, but again, island nation why bother invading? really i think that no matter what when it comes to nuclear bombs the end doesn't justify the means unless it was like fighting aliens or some shit who were literally gonna wipe out humanity[/QUOTE] Yeah it's an island nation but unless they agreed to give up there was no way of knowing whether or not they'd just rebuild stuff and just continuously attack. Nobody really knew how devastating nuclear weapons would be at that point and after it was demonstrated they pretty much brought about the somewhat peaceful era we live in today were large advanced nations are no longer constantly at war with each other through fear of nuclear weapons.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;35744135]Yeah it's an island nation but unless they agreed to give up there was no way of knowing whether or not they'd just rebuild stuff and just continuously attack. Nobody really knew how devastating nuclear weapons would be at that point and after it was demonstrated they pretty much brought about the somewhat peaceful era we live in today were large advanced nations are no longer constantly at war with each other through fear of nuclear weapons.[/QUOTE] i dunno man. i guess i'm just not a fan of nuclear bombs [editline]29th April 2012[/editline] radiation i'm not a fan of that neither
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;35744170]i dunno man. i guess i'm just not a fan of nuclear bombs [editline]29th April 2012[/editline] radiation i'm not a fan of that neither[/QUOTE] I have no problem with radiation, helps treat cancer and what not.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;35744205]I have no problem with radiation, helps treat cancer and what not.[/QUOTE] it also gives cancer and it also makes cancer worse and sometimes itself is worse than cancer
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;35744267]it also gives cancer and it also makes cancer worse and sometimes itself is worse than cancer[/QUOTE] Very rarely I'd assume.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;35744344]Very rarely I'd assume.[/QUOTE] i dunno man people in nagasaki and hiroshima still getting born with deformities and developing cancer
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;35744267]it also gives cancer and it also makes cancer worse and sometimes itself is worse than cancer[/QUOTE]Don't forget horrible mutations from birth
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;35744357]i dunno man people in nagasaki and hiroshima still getting born with deformities and developing cancer[/QUOTE] Well I'm fairly sure that was an unforeseen consequence, I'm not going to hold them to account for something they didn't see coming.
[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;35744368]Don't forget horrible mutations from birth[/QUOTE] damn man read the post above you
So he was a male adult in Germany, meaning he was forced into military service. He was ordered to fire at people trying to escape, and if he didn't he'd most likely be killed. Clearly he's responsible for the massacre
the title is right i really am talking to a dumbass haha just kidding man dont worry [editline]29th April 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=carcarcargo;35744383]Well I'm fairly sure that was an unforeseen consequence, I'm not going to hold them to account for something they didn't see coming.[/QUOTE] i dunno dude ain't we known since marie curie that radiation fucks you up? and i'm fairly certain they knew what was coming when they decided to drop the most deadliest weapon ever created on civilian targets
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;35744415] i dunno dude ain't we known since marie curie that radiation fucks you up? and i'm fairly certain they knew what was coming when they decided to drop the most deadliest weapon ever created on civilian targets[/QUOTE] Yes, they knew it would stop war and millions of death if land invasion was to happen
[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;35744460]Yes, they knew it would stop war and millions of death if land invasion was to happen[/QUOTE] there is literally no way they could know if japan would have kept fighting or if a land invasion would have even been necessary or blah blah blah. they 100% knew that if they dropped 2 nuclear bombs on 2 cities full of people they would kill shitloads of people are you really trying to act like this was the lesser of two evils?
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;35744505]there is literally no way they could know if japan would have kept fighting or if a land invasion would have even been necessary or blah blah blah. they 100% knew that if they dropped 2 nuclear bombs on 2 cities full of people they would kill shitloads of people are you really trying to act like this was the lesser of two evils?[/QUOTE]Lesser of TWO evils? What is the first evil we're talking about?
[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;35744519]Lesser of TWO evils? What is the first evil we're talking about?[/QUOTE] invading/not invading/basically anything that isn't dropping nukes on people
and then the soviets rolled through nazi germany anyway [editline]29th April 2012[/editline] so why the fuck are we condoning the use of nuclear weapons just to stop "war"
[QUOTE=KabsIsBack;35737648]Ugh, not this shit again. Things like that show Nazi Hunters make me cringe so fucking hard. Why are they wasting money and resources tracking down 90 year olds who just want to die alone? All this shit is extremely exaggerated too, taken from Nazi Hunters again "How do you feel about how 6 million Jews were executed?" "I feel very sorry about it." "BUT YOU DID IT!"[/QUOTE] the holocaust was a shitty time to be in, no matter who you were. People don't understand that a lot of kids were brainwashed and didn't know better, which seems insanely stupid that they continuously blame them. it's like blaming people as the reason they are poor when they were born into a poor family and had no control over it. Really, all it is in the end is trying to blame people for war when people never cause war, people genuinely would never give a fuck about it unless they're being told on a mass scale via politial propaganda. The real monsters are the politics that controlled them. While year, people do have a choice in the matter, but completely blaming them outright is just ignorant. Nazi hunters sounds like a stupid typical show.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;35744549]invading/not invading/basically anything that isn't dropping nukes on people[/QUOTE] I suppose you're right. Dropping something like nukes just for a chance something might change is kinda stupid. [editline]28th April 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=J!NX;35744645] it's like blaming people as the reason they are poor when they were born into a poor family and had no control over it.[/QUOTE]Oh god, this happens way too often.
[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;35744653]I suppose you're right. Dropping something like nukes just for a chance something might change is kinda stupid.[/QUOTE] you belie your title my friend
[QUOTE=thisispain;35737443]Hiroshima and Nagasaki.[/QUOTE] Okay yeah lets allow the war to continue on for years and for millions to die, not to mention turning Japan into a giant crater or even just nuking it several times over.
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