[QUOTE=-nesto-;32782070]If you're losing your job you might aswell fuck shit up before you leave.[/QUOTE]
Perfect example of an uninformed post.
[QUOTE=faze;32781987]
No, it's not admirable when you're out trying to push your beliefs on others, while crippling your own economy in the process. This jackass we have in office promised us that we'd be out of this b/s bloodbath of a war long ago, and now we're going to be in Afghanistan until 2024, and now we're getting into new fronts. Fuck Obama.[/QUOTE]
Humanitarian efforts against the most batshit crazy-evil group in Uganda does not equal pushing beliefs, unless you count believing that people shouldn't live in fear of their children being forced to kill their loved ones so they can be an emotionless soldier for a cause they've been brainwashed to believe in.
[QUOTE=Cone;32781919]I think the global policing efforts are acually kind of admirable. The execution's been terrible, but it's a noble thing to want to help everyone the world-over.
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You're saying like their true cause is helping the world instead of taking resources.
Tho I have to agree that this aid seems reasonable (for once).
[QUOTE=Spirit_Breaker;32782105]You're saying like their true cause is helping the world instead of taking resources.
Tho I have to agree that this aid seems reasonable (for once).[/QUOTE]
No, I believe what's actually happened is things have gone terribly wrong and nothing's helped much. But the original intention - to help people break free of dictatorships and bring order to the world - is a noble goal. It just happens to have gone really, really badly wrong.
[QUOTE=faze;32781987]China and Iran are imminent. China is declaring war on Vietnam, and Iran, well you know all about that. North Korea will happen in time also.
No, it's not admirable when you're out trying to push your beliefs on others, while crippling your own economy in the process. This jackass we have in office promised us that we'd be out of this b/s bloodbath of a war long ago, and now we're going to be in Afghanistan until 2024, and now we're getting into new fronts. Fuck Obama.[/QUOTE]
China's been to war with Vietnam. More recently than us, in fact. I doubt they're raring for round two. When you start hearing about troop buildups on the border, states of emergency in Ho Chi Minh City and State Department travel advisories I'd get worried. Until then, calm down.
A war with Iran is extremely unlikely. It would require some serious provocation on the part of Iran or Saudi Arabia, and everyone involved in the US Middle East conflict knows adding a new front to the war would be a mis step. It won't come from us, especially while Pakistan is still a big issue.
North Korea has been "ready to go" since 1953. A lot of credit goes to our diplomats who have averted many near misses (nothing in recent memory, including the artillery incident or the Cheonan, comes close to previous encounters with them), and to the soldiers holding the border. You should be much more worried about continuing problems in Afghanistan.
[QUOTE=XanaToast.;32781652]it seems to be the whole continent of Africa is getting a political clean up[/QUOTE]good
[QUOTE=Cone;32782101]Humanitarian efforts against the most batshit crazy-evil group in Uganda does not equal pushing beliefs, unless you count believing that people shouldn't live in fear of their children being forced to kill their loved ones so they can be an emotionless soldier for a cause they've been brainwashed to believe in.[/QUOTE]So what, call me insensitive, but suffering is going on worldwide, including here in our (and your) backyard. Diplomatic help is a lot more effective than wasting the nations resources on war. The war in the middle east has been one of the costliest wars we've ever been a part of, and funded. It's also plays a huge role in why our economy is in the shitter.
[QUOTE=faze;32782221]So what, call me insensitive, but suffering is going on worldwide, including here in our (and your) backyard. Diplomatic help is a lot more effective than wasting the nations resources on war. The war in the middle east has been one of the costliest wars we've ever been a part of, and funded. It's also plays a huge role in why our economy is in the shitter.[/QUOTE]
Like it or not, our government/NATO will always try and play world police, and Obama is doing properly. He's not deploying a 100,000 man army to combat a much much smaller group, he's deploying small number of special forces groups, which is the right thing to do, and what should have been done in the first place, and its not nearly as costly as what we did with Iraq and Afghanistan.
[QUOTE=faze;32782221]So what, call me insensitive, but suffering is going on worldwide, including here in our (and your) backyard. Diplomatic help is a lot more effective than wasting the nations resources on war. The war in the middle east has been one of the costliest wars we've ever been a part of, and funded. It's also plays a huge role in why our economy is in the shitter.[/QUOTE]
And at the same time, Middle east played huge role how US got this big of a influence today and resources.
[QUOTE=faze;32782221]So what, call me insensitive, but suffering is going on worldwide, including here in our (and your) backyard. Diplomatic help is a lot more effective than wasting the nations resources on war. The war in the middle east has been one of the costliest wars we've ever been a part of, and funded. It's also plays a huge role in why our economy is in the shitter.[/QUOTE]
100 troops, dude. That's barely anything.
And, y'know, it's impossible to solve all these problems at once. You say suffering is going on world-wide. Fixing that would require doing THIS EXACT THING in other countries. This is step one to helping, and there's very little else they could do without people like you complaining that they're giving away too many resources.
I totally support this. This is actually a reasonable reason to send troops somewhere.
Vietnam started with a small number of troops in a jungle nation, no?
[QUOTE=faze;32782221]So what, call me insensitive, but suffering is going on worldwide, including here in our (and your) backyard. Diplomatic help is a lot more effective than wasting the nations resources on war. The war in the middle east has been one of the costliest wars we've ever been a part of, and funded. It's also plays a huge role in why our economy is in the shitter.[/QUOTE]
You're so right, we shouldn't send a measly 100 troops to simply aid the government there to try to save the lives of their citizens.
You're blowing this way out of proportion. Sending 100 troops to aid the government there =/= the Middle East conflicts
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;32782361]Vietnam started with a small number of troops in a jungle nation, no?[/QUOTE]
Yes it did, but the global tension then and now aren't even remotely similar.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;32782361]Vietnam started with a small number of troops in a jungle nation, no?[/QUOTE]
And decades of French colonialism as well as a world spanning ideological confrontation, influencing the US to engage to prove their dedication to combating Communism and supporting Western allies.
Uganda is....well, there's... I mean, it's a jungle. That's the same, right?
[QUOTE=Regulas021;32782400]And decades of French colonialism as well as a world spanning ideological confrontation, influencing the US to engage to prove their dedication to combating Communism and supporting Western allies.
Uganda is....well, there's... I mean, it's a jungle. That's the same, right?[/QUOTE]
I think it's more of a dry jungle than a tropical one.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;32782361]Vietnam started with a small number of troops in a jungle nation, no?[/QUOTE]Small number of troops? That is incorrect.
[QUOTE=Hidole555;32781912]This seems like general peacekeeping blown out of proportion.
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What do you think peacekeeping is you dolt?
[QUOTE=faze;32782455]Small number of troops? That is incorrect.[/QUOTE]
no, he's right. We sent in a small number of green berets at first to help train the South Vietnamese forces.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;32782361]Vietnam started with a small number of troops in a jungle nation, no?[/QUOTE]
Try thousands of French and Vietnamese soldiers
[QUOTE=Cone;32781919]I think the global policing efforts are acually kind of admirable. The execution's been terrible, but it's a noble thing to want to help everyone the world-over.[/QUOTE]
Yup, that's exactly right, we're supporting them because it's the right thing to do, not because we want to current government to stay in power because they're relatively pro-west.
[QUOTE=Contag;32782510]Yup, that's exactly right, we're supporting them because it's the right thing to do, not because we want to current government to stay in power because they're relatively pro-west.[/QUOTE]
Why do you have to cast that light on this? It's fairly obvious people are in dire need of help, I'm just assuming Obama's not a dick, which I'm fairly certain he isn't.
[QUOTE=minilandstan;32781627]I could have sworn we were trying to pull out of these places.[/QUOTE]
Helping failed states is not a bad thing.
[QUOTE=Contag;32782510]Yup, that's exactly right, we're supporting them because it's the right thing to do, not because we want to current government to stay in power because they're relatively pro-west.[/QUOTE]
What's exactly wrong with that if we're still doing the right thing?
[QUOTE=AK'z;32782594]Helping failed states is not a bad thing.[/QUOTE]What about helping our own failing economy?
[QUOTE=faze;32782614]What about helping our own failing economy?[/QUOTE]
I don't think you understand just how miniscule this aid is in terms of the total Defense Budget.
[QUOTE=Canuhearmenow;32782604]What's exactly wrong with that if we're still doing the right thing?[/QUOTE]
Because the current government is absolutely terrible.
[QUOTE=faze;32782614]What about helping our own failing economy?[/QUOTE]
Sure, lets send in seal team 6 to combat our economic troubles.
[QUOTE=Cone;32782576]Why do you have to cast that light on this? It's fairly obvious people are in dire need of help, I'm just assuming Obama's not a dick, which I'm fairly certain he isn't.[/QUOTE]
The people who are in need of help aren't the government, they're the poor and voiceless who are subject to abuse by both sides.
[QUOTE=faze;32782614]What about helping our own failing economy?[/QUOTE]
Stop whining, there are people who are living life for the sake of living rather than enjoying it.
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