• 40,000 people Sign Petition to Remove "Beach Body Ready" advert
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[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;47611177]omfg my entire point is that you are pointing out the obvious and it's useless if you call someone fat do you magically expect them to suddenly be at a healthy weight within an hour[/QUOTE] you're right now. you should've said that from the start, instead of making it a really goddamned stupid analogy that could be interpreted as equating mental problems with obesity. i do think overweight people should be encouraged to lose weight in a positive manner. it's healthy.
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;47611177]omfg my entire point is that you are pointing out the obvious and it's useless if you call someone fat do you magically expect them to suddenly be at a healthy weight within an hour[/QUOTE] Your analogies suck, you overblow shit out of proportion and you're being rude to mentally challenged people. Damn dude that's a combo.
I'm not sure who is dumb enough to think that calling someone a "fat fuck" is either okay or an effective motivator for them to want to lose weight, but they're incorrect in the matter. I think what people are trying to argue is that the majority of people who are obese have a choice in the matter, and that we shouldn't encourage them to make unhealthy lifestyle choices. We don't encourage cigarette smoking, we don't see people outraged at anti-smoking advertising.
Like a good amount of people in this thread from what I'm reading
You know, I'm just going to do the mature thing and concede because you guys aren't going to change my point of view, and I won't change yours Sorry if I pissed anyone with my opinions
i don't think making fun of people for being fat is good, and i do think the beauty industry does push an unrealistic body image as perfect beauty, but i don't think telling people to find overweight people attractive if they don't find them attractive will ever do anything. like, you can't control what you find attractive, and if your idea of beauty is the idealized body image the beauty industry pushes then you're probably never going to find someone who is fat attractive. if someone doesn't find something like, say, short hair attractive, they aren't prejudiced they just aren't attracted to short hair. same goes with weight. beauty standards change all the time, but like with all things cultural it doesn't change overnight, and trying to force it quickly just does not work.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;47611072]But this isn't about this at all whatsoever because it's about edible supplement and not lifestyle whatsoever? If anything they are right to attack this because nutrition supplements are an awful way of losing weight and exactly lead to eating disorders.[/QUOTE] what I was obviously just stating my opinion on the whole fat acceptance thing, not necessarily the article
i don't expect anyone to have any empathy for me being fat, largely because it is my fault and also because i don't really care if they have empathy for me being fat, as i really don't give a shit (which is probably why i'm overweight but oh well)
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;47611035]This statement is wrong. Chronic overeating is a medically recognized psychological disorder.[/QUOTE] Right. It happens when the brain gets "happiness" and "stuffing face with food" mixed up...
I'm considered overweight but thankfully I'm not an unattractive overweight. It's fucking dumb that I have to say "unattractive overweight". I gained weight because I would eat what my parents would eat and I didn't understand how easy it is to get fat. The only one in my family who isn't overweight or obese is my sister because she had an eating disorder for a year because she didn't like being fat.
[QUOTE=Scum;47610970]see the thing about empathy is that it should be inclusive to all people. i think you need to go and talk to more varied people and read some more books. go on the goodreads website. they normally have really good lists for varying subjects.[/QUOTE] Here you are in this post telling someone off to go 'read more' because you don't think they know enough. How is that any different than me telling you to go lift more because I don't think you're fit enough? Knowledge, physical prowess, moral living, civic responsibilities/obligations are all things that we have to work towards perpetually lest we stagnate. Perfection itself may not be obtainable, but we can and do strive for improvement as individuals and as a collective.
I hope they keep it. Also 40,000 is pitiful considering this has been going on for a week and probably has less signatures than the Valve mod protest. People now a days seem to be trying to fool themselves that being fat is okay like that god awful "base" song. [QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;47611151]Telling someone that they're a fat fuck and they need to salad is like telling someone with a broken leg that they're a cripple and they need to do something about it[/QUOTE] Telling someone that they need to try salad instead is like telling someone that keeps stabbing themselves to stop stabbing themselves. . Try explaining why you think this is wrong. And don't give me that thyroid garbage
[QUOTE=Croix;47611155]well that is one of the subtlest ad hominems i've had. mainly accusing me of being closeminded. i guess it's one way to go about it. i don't think empathy SHOULD be anything in any case. i can be empathetic towards burn victims who have no choice in their lives but to go through with a disfigurement and choose not to be empathetic towards fat people who make the choice to be fat. i don't hate fat people. i don't shame anyone for their body, i would never ever do that. horrible people do that. but i also don't find fat people physically attractive and i do not really feel empathetic towards them as a group. also you have no idea whether or not i read books. it's really annoying that you make assumptions like this. i talk to varied people every day over the internet too, fyi. as a sidenote, i agree that these types of ads should be banned actually. but not because of the "fat shaming" aspect as much as the retarded notion that there is some magic pill that will help you with weight loss.[/QUOTE] you said you had no empathy for fat people. empathy for people you don't ordinarily relate to can be gained thru making an active effort to understand their experiences and views. this can be done through hanging out with them or reading books written by them. sorry if i offended you. that wasn't my intention. empathy is one of the best virtues a person can have and it sucks that you deny yourself it with people.
[QUOTE=Thlis;47611575]Telling someone that they need to try salad instead is like telling someone with that keeps stabbing themselves to stop stabbing themselves.[/QUOTE] literally worse than my analogies [URL="http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/03/090319224823.htm"]being obese can take 3 years off your life expectancy[/URL] stabbing yourself repeatedly will take [80 - (Current Age)] off your life expectancy [editline]27th April 2015[/editline] there is a difference between a doctor "yeah you're overweight I recommend this programs to help you lose weight" and some random dude saying "you're fat eat some salad"
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;47611607]literally worse than my analogies [URL="http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/03/090319224823.htm"]being obese can take 3 years off your life expectancy[/URL] stabbing yourself repeatedly will take [80 - (Current Age)] off your life expectancy[/QUOTE] Yes, I can see how an analogy where I compare something that can be harmful to your health but is preventable is to something that can be harmful to your health but is preventable might have confused you.
k im going to say that me killing a fly is like me starting a genocide because they both kill people
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;47611607] there is a difference between a doctor "yeah you're overweight I recommend this programs to help you lose weight" and some random dude saying "you're fat eat some salad"[/QUOTE] Indeed there is, but perhaps if you would stop projecting your own offendedness into this advertisement you would realize No one fucking said that. The add says "Are you beach body ready?" "The weight loss collection"
[QUOTE=Thlis;47611645]Indeed there is, but perhaps if you would stop projecting your own offendedness into this advertisement you would realize No one fucking said that. The add says "Are you beach body ready?" "The weight loss collection"[/QUOTE] i am not even talking about the ad lol, read my posts im talking about the posts in this thread and the general attitude towards fat/overweight people
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;47611649]i am not even talking about the ad lol, read my posts im talking about the posts in this thread and the general attitude towards fat/overweight people[/QUOTE] You can't argue the point away that being overweight is detrimental to your health and is preventable.
[QUOTE=Thlis;47611670]You can't argue the point away that being overweight is detrimental to your health and is preventable.[/QUOTE] omfg read my posts I'm trying to get the point across that calling some random kid on the street fat won't help him loose weight or eat healthier. if it was that easy then obesity wouldn't exist, would it
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;47611008]Exactly this, something people don't get is that overeating can be an actual mental health issue, like people who purge after a meal because they don't want to get fat, even though they're 90 pounds, or Anorexia, where you just plain don't eat at all. People who chronically overeat need help too, because the problem isn't solved with "wow what a fat fuck they just need to stop eating so much".[/QUOTE] You're 100% right that nothing comes from shaming these people, they'll never stop from being shamed. But what caused me to lose my weight, was shaming myself. It was being upset with myself enough to do something about it. People need motivation, and I don't think shaming is the way to go, but neither is "Fat acceptance" or whatever they call it.
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;47611151]Telling someone that they're a fat fuck and they need to salad is like telling someone with a broken leg that they're a cripple and they need to do something about it[/QUOTE] This is a dishonest and shit analogy and you know it. Try and argue your point better here.
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;47611693]omfg read my posts I'm trying to get the point across that calling some random kid on the street fat won't help him loose weight or eat healthier. if it was that easy then obesity wouldn't exist, would it[/QUOTE] Getting in a tizzy over people striving for self-improvement doesn't help anyone either though.
[QUOTE=Deng;47611711]This is a dishonest and shit analogy and you know it. Try and argue your point better here.[/QUOTE] omfg the point i'm making is that it's just as fucking stupid to call some fat guy fat like is to call some cripple a cripple it won't make the fat guy lose weight any faster and it wont make the crippled guy heal any faster
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;47611710]You're 100% right that nothing comes from shaming these people, they'll never stop from being shamed. But what caused me to lose my weight, was shaming myself. It was being upset with myself enough to do something about it. People need motivation, and I don't think shaming is the way to go, but neither is "Fat acceptance" or whatever they call it.[/QUOTE] Exactly. Trying to make being obese attractive or accepted, I don't agree with it and I see it as being in denial, but shaming fat people is absolutely the wrong way to go about helping people lose weight, and I think if someone can love themselves even if they're overweight, more power to them. Their body is their choice.
like there's something contradictory about people thinking they're doing the right thing when they call people fat they think that it's the fat person's fault for being fat and only the fat person can solve it yet people somehow think that getting involved and calling them fat will help??????????????
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;47611734]omfg the point i'm making is that it's just as fucking stupid to call some fat guy fat like is to call some cripple a cripple it won't make the fat guy lose weight any faster and it wont make the crippled guy heal any faster[/QUOTE] Then actually say that instead of making shit analogies and being surprised when people call you out on it. Don't act surprised when you know perfectly well what you originally said is disingenuous trash.
[QUOTE=Deng;47611762]Then actually say that instead of making shit analogies and being surprised when people call you out on it. Don't act surprised when you know perfectly well what you originally said is disingenuous trash.[/QUOTE] the analogy was fine it's fucking stupid to call a cripple a cripple and expect something to change like it's fucking stupid to call a fat person fat and expect something to change
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;47611771]the analogy was fine it's fucking stupid to call a cripple a cripple and expect something to change like it's fucking stupid to call a fat person fat and expect something to change[/QUOTE] i agree with your point but the analogy was still pretty bad.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;47611710]You're 100% right that nothing comes from shaming these people, they'll never stop from being shamed. But what caused me to lose my weight, was shaming myself. It was being upset with myself enough to do something about it. People need motivation, and I don't think shaming is the way to go, but neither is "Fat acceptance" or whatever they call it.[/QUOTE] removing stigma AND helping people reach self-actualization, even if that means being ok with one's body no matter what shape it's in, is and should be the ultimate goal being happy with oneself, and not comparing oneself to ungodly high standards, can take so much undue stress and just general horrible feelings away but man I can always count on facepunch to openly mock fat people whenever the slightest hint of them is noticed
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