• 40,000 people Sign Petition to Remove "Beach Body Ready" advert
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[QUOTE=Ithon;47610197]-snip- lawrence wakefield writes for the Guardian. from his linkedin page[/QUOTE] Why are they always entitled to demand an apology? They just published an ad that he didn't like. It's not like if they were calling women fat.
[QUOTE=MadPro119;47612546]Should Calvin Klein not be allowed to advertise with muscular almost perfect males because it makes young men upset they don't have the same body? [/QUOTE] I think you'll find that majority of men doesn't suffer from that problem. [QUOTE=MadPro119;47612546] Her body is obviously a combination of genetics, hard work, and photoshop.[/QUOTE] Workout routines take genetics and body type in consideration. Ask /fit/ someday.
[QUOTE=Ragekipz;47612697]I think you'll find that majority of men doesn't suffer from that problem[/QUOTE] Does it have to affect the majority to be a problem?
[QUOTE=Ragekipz;47612697]I think you'll find that majority of men doesn't suffer from that problem. [/QUOTE] And the small amount who do aren't big enough losers to whine about it loudly in public. New age "feminists" are a different story. [editline]27th April 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=FingerSpazem;47612711]Does it have to affect the majority to be a problem?[/QUOTE] Is someone being offended because of X reasons a problem to begin with?
[QUOTE=Ithon;47610896]stop fat shaming me, we get it, you have better genetic bodies then I do, you don't have to dress in a suit and show up in person behind an ad just to show solidarity.[/QUOTE] If you really think genetics is the cause for most people being obese, you're a muppet.
The thing with being fat is that there is literally no justification for becoming and staying fat unless you have some kind of disorder Like, it's literally cheaper to be skinny than to be fat because you buy and eat less food. All it takes is some self-restraint Now, being healthy and fit is a different thing but if you're going to be unhealthy it's better to be skinny than fat tbh
The anti add campaign is not about accepting fat but about the industry, models and fashion labeling perfectly fine people as fat and thus inducing an inferiority complex and that's a really necessary and good thing to say. I don't understand why the people on the first page jump to conclusions like "fat people overreacting".
Its one thing when your body type is naturally a little thick and even if you are fit and active and eating right you are still gonna be a bit chunky, but when you are actually obese or overweight and shame people who work towards having a healthy body when you do nothing but sit on your ass eating fuck all of everything. They look at themselves and see a fat person and do not want to commit to a lifestyle that will make them healthier and just take it out on people who do. Fuck this movement and what it stands for, i'm sick and tired of seeing all this healthy people shaming that they do, its wrong. [editline]27th April 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;47611151]Telling someone that they're a fat fuck and they need to salad is like telling someone with a broken leg that they're a cripple and they need to do something about it[/QUOTE] Because they can't eat salad? If you are overweight you can change that. Working out and eating the correct portions of food and the right food, occasionally having a day where you eat what you want will fix being overweight. Yes there are some illnesses where you just can't shed weight for shit unless you conform to a really strict lifestyle, but that does not apply to everyone who is overweight. I used to be overweight, but I got sick and tired of that. I started eating healthy and running. I am now at a healthy weight for my height, I still have excess fat on my thighs and stomach but I feel so much better now. I have energy, I am confident, and I look better. I changed how I ate and my activeness level and I changed my body for the better. Eating salad is something you can do to cut down on your calories as long as you do not add calorie rich dressings and toppings.
[QUOTE=Ragekipz;47612697]I think you'll find that majority of men doesn't suffer from that problem.[/QUOTE] It's really fucking hard to tell actually because [I]men refuse to talk about shit ever and that's dumb as fuck[/I] . It's entirely possible that quite a few men have some body image issues, not looking like the ripped models on posters can easily make someone who knows they aren't 100% fit more than just a little self concious. But do you think they're going to tell anybody that? They'd look like a fucking girl! "Hah look at that faggot having feelings!" is an all to common response to a guy talking about anything like that. Body image and self esteem issues are pretty damn rampant, just rarely talked about by around half the population.
[QUOTE=assassin_Raptor;47613556]Because they can't eat salad? If you are overweight you can change that. Working out and eating the correct portions of food and the right food, occasionally having a day where you eat what you want will fix being overweight. Yes there are some illnesses where you just can't shed weight for shit unless you conform to a really strict lifestyle, but that does not apply to everyone who is overweight. I used to be overweight, but I got sick and tired of that. I started eating healthy and running. I am now at a healthy weight for my height, I still have excess fat on my thighs and stomach but I feel so much better now. I have energy, I am confident, and I look better. I changed how I ate and my active lives and I changed my body for the better. Eating salad is something you can do to cut down on your calories as long as you do not add calorie rich dressings and toppings.[/QUOTE] my point wasn't about the effects of eating salad...
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;47613633]my point wasn't about the effects of eating salad...[/QUOTE] Your comparison makes no sense, when you break your leg it heals and you're good to go with the only thing you need to do is not put pressure on that leg. When you're overweight you can't just not do anything, you tell them to eat a salad since whatever they are eating obviously isn't helping them lose weight. No one tells people who broke a bone that they are cripple because they are not, people say people are fat because, get this, they actually are.
[QUOTE=assassin_Raptor;47613711]Your comparison makes no sense, when you break your leg it heals and you're good to go with the only thing you need to do is not put pressure on that leg. When you're overweight you can't just not do anything, you tell them to eat a salad since whatever they are eating obviously isn't helping them lose weight.[/QUOTE] "Eat a salad fatass" is still fucking terrible advice as just eating something different isn't going to actually do shit if their eating habits are the source of the problem. You can still overeat salad and other healthy food. There's no point shaming people for being fat, it really doesn't do anything and has been seen to make things worse in a lot of people because body image is important to people today. Being reminding you're not 110% healthy only inspires a few people to go through the effort of fixing it. It's entirely possible you'll just become more self concious and get worse to cope with stresses caused by that anxiety.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;47613736]"Eat a salad fatass" is still fucking terrible advice as just eating something different isn't going to actually do shit if their eating habits are the source of the problem. You can still overeat salad and other healthy food. There's no point shaming people for being fat, it really doesn't do anything and has been seen to make things worse in a lot of people because body image is important to people today. Being reminding you're not 110% healthy only inspires a few people to go through the effort of fixing it. It's entirely possible you'll just become more self concious and get worse to cope with stresses caused by that anxiety.[/QUOTE] Telling someone to "eat a salad fatass" is obviously terrible advice, you need to say it in a more kind way. Yes, you can overeat healthy foods and its just as bad. That is why you portion your foods correctly and eat slower so you actually feel when you are full instead of zooming past that and going straight to stuffed, which leads to expanding your stomach so you can eat even more food before feeling stuffed.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;47613736]"Eat a salad fatass" is still fucking terrible advice as just eating something different isn't going to actually do shit if their eating habits are the source of the problem. You can still overeat salad and other healthy food. There's no point shaming people for being fat, it really doesn't do anything and has been seen to make things worse in a lot of people because body image is important to people today. Being reminding you're not 110% healthy only inspires a few people to go through the effort of fixing it. It's entirely possible you'll just become more self concious and get worse to cope with stresses caused by that anxiety.[/QUOTE] Yes and no. You don't have to starve yourself to lose weight, hell you can eat a lot, the big thing is [I][B]what[/B][/I] you eat.
Fatties using feminism to try make excuses because every other excuse for being lazy doesn't cut it, while feminism makes you seem like a hip social justice warrior.
[QUOTE=Aman;47613975]Yes and no. You don't have to starve yourself to lose weight, hell you can eat a lot, the big thing is [I][B]what[/B][/I] you eat.[/QUOTE] I eat anything and everything, I just don't eat much and no weight gets put on.
[QUOTE=Scum;47611604]you said you had no empathy for fat people. empathy for people you don't ordinarily relate to can be gained thru making an active effort to understand their experiences and views. this can be done through hanging out with them or reading books written by them. sorry if i offended you. that wasn't my intention. empathy is one of the best virtues a person can have and it sucks that you deny yourself it with people.[/QUOTE] sorry, what i meant was sympathy. but regardless, you're either missing my point or playing dumb with me here. i do not have sympathy for the condition of being fat because of your own laziness. this specifically. i can still be sympathetic towards a fat person for whatever other reasons, but i am not sympathetic towards the struggles of being self-inflictedly fat. i know plenty of fat people and im friends with them. im a bit overweight myself. i just do not feel sympathy for this "struggle" because it is (if it is) self-inflicted in WHOLE. [editline]28th April 2015[/editline] Like I said, i don't hate fat people or shame them. i just don't feel bad for their body image issues because they can fucking fix those by working out.
I can't help but ponder the question: if an ad offends you like this, doesn't that just mean that it piques your own insecurities and your guilt in refusing to change anything about it? I mean, they preach about being happy in your skin; so if you truly were, wouldn't you not feel offended by something like this.
Due to this ad campaign Protein World has a boost [url]https://twitter.com/MartinDaubney/status/592740870954311680[/url] [IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDnWrkiWIAAzFFH.png:large[/IMG] see what happens when you don't bow to censorship
[QUOTE=Wii60;47614309]Due to this ad campaign Protein World has a boost [url]https://twitter.com/MartinDaubney/status/592740870954311680[/url] [IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDnWrkiWIAAzFFH.png:large[/IMG] see what happens when you don't bow to censorship[/QUOTE] For christ's sake, this isn't censorship People are so quick to scream about censorship when any kind of outcry against something that someone/something (as in a company) said comes up. Censorship is if the [I]government[/I] orders you to stop. Not when individuals say "hey, we don't like this, could you please not?"
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;47614353]For christ's sake, this isn't censorship People are so quick to scream about censorship when any kind of outcry against something that someone/something (as in a company) said comes up. Censorship is if the [I]government[/I] orders you to stop. Not when individuals say "hey, we don't like this, could you please not?"[/QUOTE] I'm not going as far to say it's censorship it's just idiots whining but why does censorship [I]have[/I] to involve the state?
[QUOTE=Aman;47614362]I'm not going as far to say it's censorship it's just idiots whining but why does censorship [I]have[/I] to involve the state?[/QUOTE] Because that's literally the definition of censorship. [IMG]http://i.gyazo.com/c0ef7e129fd149adab8adc7d8bf0e6f4.png[/IMG] Criticism of advertising is not censorship.
..and yet nobody complains about the 6'4" super ripped perfect men in ads. wonder why? [sp]because they're fucking advertisements that are specifically designed to entice consumers[/sp]
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;47614371]Because that's literally the definition of censorship. [IMG]http://i.gyazo.com/c0ef7e129fd149adab8adc7d8bf0e6f4.png[/IMG] Criticism of advertising is not censorship.[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-censorship[/url] [QUOTE]Self-censorship is the act of censoring or classifying one's own work (blog, book[s], film[s], or other forms of media), out of fear of, or deference to, the sensibilities or preferences (actual or perceived) of others and without overt pressure from any specific party or institution of authority. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=goldenbuttocks;47614412]..and yet nobody complains about the 6'4" super ripped perfect men in ads. wonder why? [spoiler]because they're fucking advertisements designed to entice an audience, not some government conspiracy to "shame" everyone[/spoiler][/QUOTE] As a man I do not see a problem with ads featuring 6'4 ripped men. Instead of feeling insecure or envious I feel more inspired when I see these sort of images. Sure I will never look like that but then again I also never will be a jet pilot, no reason to get upset over any of this.
[QUOTE=goldenbuttocks;47614412]..and yet nobody complains about the 6'4" super ripped perfect men in ads. wonder why? [sp]because they're fucking advertisements designed to entice an audience, not some government conspiracy to "shame" everyone[/sp][/QUOTE] Nobody ever said it was a conspiracy, nor that it was designed to shame anyone. At least nobody you'd take seriously. Also, nobody complains about that because nobody realistically thinks every man can be like that. It's a much more common thought that women need to be unhealthily underweight to be attractive.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;47614426]As a man I do not see a problem with ads featuring 6'4 ripped men. Instead of feeling insecure or envious I feel more inspired when I see these sort of images. Sure I will never look like that but then again I also never will be a jet pilot, no reason to get upset over any of this.[/QUOTE] exactly my point. enticing you to do something is the point of an advertisement. [QUOTE=Starlight 456;47614434] Also, nobody complains about that because nobody realistically thinks every man can be like that. It's a much more common thought that women need to be unhealthily underweight to be attractive.[/QUOTE] it's not really that most people expect them to, its just that its seen as the ideal attractiveness. same goes to ripped men. nobody expects them to be like that, but they're nice to look at, which us why they are used for advertising.
[QUOTE=Wii60;47614425][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-censorship[/url][/QUOTE] That's not censorship, that's modifying your creation to avoid or defer backlash. Calling it censorship is misrepresenting what it actually is. Nobody forced anyone to do anything, if they took down the ad, it would be their choice. Censorship is explicitly defined as when a government entity forces you to change or remove something you made or said.
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;47614434]nobody realistically thinks every man can be like that[/QUOTE] True, that's why so many girls want 6'+ man
[QUOTE=itisjuly;47614453]True, that's why so many girls want 6'+ man[/QUOTE] That's a preference, not an expectation. Nobody thinks all men should be tall and muscular, yet there are people who think women should be underweight. Being attracted to skinnier women isn't the problem, it's the assumption that women [I]need[/I] to be skinny to be attractive that's harmful.
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