40,000 people Sign Petition to Remove "Beach Body Ready" advert
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[QUOTE=Starlight 456;47614456]That's a preference, not an expectation. Nobody thinks all men should be tall and muscular, yet there are people who think women should be underweight. Being attracted to skinnier women isn't the problem, it's the assumption that women [I]need[/I] to be skinny to be attractive that's harmful.[/QUOTE]
Umm, women being skinny and underweight is a preference as much as tall men are. Most people in real life do not like anorexic chicks. Some prefer them slimmer, some bigger. But unhealthy skinny is not a thing when it comes to real life.
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;47614456]yet there are people who think women should be underweight. Being attracted to skinnier women isn't the problem, it's the assumption that women [I]need[/I] to be skinny to be attractive that's harmful.[/QUOTE]
i don't think theres that much of an expectation for them to be underweight. many people are repulsed by super skinny women, actually.
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;47614456]Nobody thinks all men should be tall and muscular, yet there are people who think women should be underweight.[/QUOTE]
[citation needed]
[QUOTE=itisjuly;47614466]Umm, women being skinny and underweight is a preference as much as tall men are. Most people in real life do not like anorexic chicks. Some prefer them slimmer, some bigger. But unhealthy skinny is not a thing when it comes to real life.[/QUOTE]
I know. That's why it's unhealthy for ads that show women being dangerously skinny to be shown. It makes some women think that they can only be pretty if they're skinny.
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;47614444]Censorship is explicitly defined as when a government entity forces you to change or remove something you made or said.[/QUOTE]
Well actually it covers groups as well. It isn't explicitly states, but groups with sufficient power have the ability to censor things too.
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;47614488]I know. That's why it's unhealthy for ads that show women being dangerously skinny to be shown. It makes some women think that they can only be pretty if they're skinny.[/QUOTE]
True but this ad isn't doing that. It's showing a fit model. And that's far from dangerously skinny.
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;47614488]I know. That's why it's unhealthy for ads that show women being dangerously skinny to be shown. It makes some women think that they can only be pretty if they're skinny.[/QUOTE]
kinda sounds like the problem is with their thinking, not with the existence of thin women on posters
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;47614488]I know. That's why it's unhealthy for ads that show women being dangerously skinny to be shown. It makes some women think that they can only be pretty if they're skinny.[/QUOTE]
Is there actual evidence for this? This reminds me of arguments about how violent movies turn children violent.
I don't really get it. It's commonplace to put good-looking models in your ads, just like it's commonplace for ready-to-eat food to display tasty-looking meals on the package, it's meant to attract the customer's eye. What should the company have done instead to promote its products?
[QUOTE=_Axel;47614545]I don't really get it. It's commonplace to put good-looking models in your ads, just like it's commonplace for ready-to-eat food to display tasty-looking meals on the package, it's meant to attract the customer's eye. What should the company have done instead to promote its products?[/QUOTE]A realistic woman who has curves would work. Probably...
[QUOTE=itisjuly;47614557]A realistic woman who has curves would work. Probably...[/QUOTE]
How does being physically fit make someone not "realistic"?
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;47614371]Because that's literally the definition of censorship.
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Criticism of advertising is not censorship.[/QUOTE]
Your own definition clearly states "group power". It doesn't have to be an action enforced by the state. State sponsored censorship is often illegal, but I'd argue censorship doesn't have to be illegal for it to be a bad thing. The [URL="https://www.aclu.org/what-censorship"]ACLU seems to agree[/URL].
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;47614571]How does being physically fit make someone not "realistic"?[/QUOTE]
I don't know man I'm as confused as others. People are envious of people who put work into their bodies?
[QUOTE=Deng;47614537]Is there actual evidence for this? This reminds me of arguments about how violent movies turn children violent.[/QUOTE]
[url]https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/media-spotlight/201311/media-exposure-and-the-perfect-body[/url]
this has some really good info on the topic and links to lots of different articles and studies.
[QUOTE=Starlight 456;47614444]That's not censorship, that's modifying your creation to avoid or defer backlash. Calling it censorship is misrepresenting what it actually is. Nobody forced anyone to do anything, if they took down the ad, it would be their choice. Censorship is explicitly defined as when a government entity forces you to change or remove something you made or said.[/QUOTE]
you seem to have a different opinion on what censorship is compared to the generally-accepted meaning.
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pretty much everywhere i look, self-censorship is defined as "modifying your creation to avoid or defer backlash."
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along with this, i haven't found too many places that explicitly say censorship can only be enacted by the government, most places say "government, media, or other groups wielding power"
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i think it is very dangerous to make it so the term "censorship" only applies to governmental institutions. it opens up a lot of groups to do some very shady things without the callout factor of saying "hey that's attempted/succeeded censorship".
[QUOTE=hexpunK;47613599]It's really fucking hard to tell actually because [I]men refuse to talk about shit ever and that's dumb as fuck[/I] . It's entirely possible that quite a few men have some body image issues, not looking like the ripped models on posters can easily make someone who knows they aren't 100% fit more than just a little self concious. But do you think they're going to tell anybody that? They'd look like a fucking girl! "Hah look at that faggot having feelings!" is an all to common response to a guy talking about anything like that.
Body image and self esteem issues are pretty damn rampant, just rarely talked about by around half the population.[/QUOTE]
You'll find out that men refuse to talk about shit because they don't see any reason to do it.
Crying that you can't have sculpted abs won't get you sculpted abs, so you might as well not complain. On average, men are also more accepting to their bodies, even when women standards for men are WAY higher than men standards for women.
There's also a huge difference in attitude. Men aspire, women envy.
[QUOTE=Ragekipz;47615399]You'll find out that men refuse to talk about shit because they don't see any reason to do it.
Crying that you can't have sculpted abs won't get you sculpted abs, so you might as well not complain. On average, men are also more accepting to their bodies, even when women standards for men are WAY higher than men standards for women.
There's also a huge difference in attitude. Men aspire, women envy.[/QUOTE]
hahaha that's some quality mra thinking man. unless you're joking i can't tell.
the whole reason men are normally quiet about their emotions on this stuff is because for generations the common idea of masculinity was to be quiet about emotions. it's a shitty attitude which has led to the endemic of male mental illnesses being hidden from others because "men refuse to talk about shit"
"men aspire, women envy" like wtf hahaha
[QUOTE=Scum;47615750]hahaha that's some quality mra thinking man. unless you're joking i can't tell.
the whole reason men are normally quiet about their emotions on this stuff is because for generations the common idea of masculinity was to be quiet about emotions. it's a shitty attitude which has led to the endemic of male mental illnesses being hidden from others because "men refuse to talk about shit"
"men aspire, women envy" like wtf hahaha[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry but men bitch about things and women bitch about things.
I know a guy who was 150kgs all through high school, he realised after that he wanted to change and now he is an absolute gym beast and looks like he would definitely do well with the ladies.
I also know of a girl who was bigger for a lot of her life then decided to change and now she's hot as and you can see guys froth over her.
This happens every day but the difference between these kind of people and the people who whine they aren't good enough is that they had the guts to work hard and change themselves. Not once did I see them complain when they had looked better than they did.
I don't know if anyone's said it in this thread but I find fat people ugly. Obviously there is exceptions but I know for a fact that most people choose their body despite what people think. You're brain is what you generally can't control too much but your body is easy.
fat people just need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps
The fact that people still pay attenton to adverts blows my mind, I mean, sure I can understand the whole 'pushing a negative body image onto young men/women' but really? Are you really angry when you see an advert like this? I mean, I dislike adverts because most of the time they're created by creative individules being forced to create the shoddiest shit to sell a product, but I ignore them because I have better things to do with my life then moan about them. I'd rather create something new then moan about what we already have.
Stuff like this just goes over my head because I don't understand why people would spend all their time focusing on something they hate, when they could surround themselves with people they like and shut off the part of the world they dislike, that's what most people do.
I remember seeing an image relating to this, I think it was about a game that had a poem about a trans girl or something, and when it was changed the girl who originally drew attention to it said something like "I finally made a difference in the world!" And I thought Really?? Is this really your contribution to the world? Is this what people are going to remember you by? You moaned, good on you, you changed something by moaning, but you didn't create anything in it's place. If people want to make a difference they need to create the new thing, not just destroy the old thing.
This petition is whining, plain and simple, it's destroying something so that they don't need to put any effort into creating something new, wether it be a new body for themselves or a new advertising campaign or a new body image for younger people.
I'll make it clear that I do believe everything should be comfortable in their body, but there's also the point where skinny (in most cases) is healthier than not skinny, and trying to change the worlds perception of health and beauty by whining is a massive waste of time.
-rant over, feel free to tell me how wrong I am
[QUOTE=Levithan;47616113]fat people just need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps[/QUOTE]
What should we do about fat people? I realize you're saying "everyone should be happy with their bodies", but to be honest I'm not sure I agree. How do you promote acceptance of any body figure while putting the disclaimer "..but you're gonna die early" after it?
Obesity is a problem, and it's becoming an even larger one. No one should be depressed because of their size, but from a medical standpoint "Being fat is totally fine" is a terrible statement. I don't support ads that put extremely skinny people as the ideal (fit would be much better), but in general people shown in ads are healthy.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;47616339]What should we do about fat people? I realize you're saying "everyone should be happy with their bodies", but to be honest I'm not sure I agree. How do you promote acceptance of any body figure while putting the disclaimer "..but you're gonna die early" after it?
Obesity is a problem, and it's becoming an even larger one. No one should be depressed because of their size, but from a medical standpoint "Being fat is totally fine" is a terrible statement. I don't support ads that put extremely skinny people as the ideal (fit would be much better), but in general people shown in ads are healthy.[/QUOTE]
~We~ don't have to do anything?
like there's no responsibility being put onto you except just don't be a dick and accept/support people for who they are instead of judging them due to your own opinions on how they should be, i guess.
what society and media as a whole should do is be more inclusive of heavier people because they arr part of our race and deserve to be treated the same.
i kinda doubt fat acceptance would raise obesity levels if that's what you're worrying about.
people with mental and physical difficulties are far [I] far [/I] more likely to get better and help themselves when they are supported and accepted.
like fatphobia has been a part of western civilization for ages and yeah, obesity levels are rising despite societal pressures. same with drug addiction rising despite bigotry towards addicts and blah blah blah. there is a connection to be made here.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;47610129]Considering anyone can obtain "thin privilege" by not eating like a glutton I don't know how anyone can take this shit seriously.[/QUOTE]
"anyone", no
but the overwhelming majority of people with weight problems, yeah.
[QUOTE=Scum;47616370]~We~ don't have to do anything?
like there's no responsibility being put onto you except just don't be a dick and accept/support people for who they are instead of judging them due to your own opinions on how they should be, i guess.
what society and media as a whole should do is be more inclusive of heavier people because they arr part of our race and deserve to be treated the same.
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Because I want to judge people. I'm free to do so and in turn expect to be judged for my actions.
Fat people weren't a part of our race. Humans literally created fattys. Before society you were either not hungry or hungry. Not asking your healthy cavemen friends to accept you because you couldn't come out and hunt because you'd eaten everyone's food, because they'd just eat you and move on.
"It's a human eat human world out there".
[QUOTE=Scum;47616370]~We~ don't have to do anything?
like there's no responsibility being put onto you except just don't be a dick and accept/support people for who they are instead of judging them due to your own opinions on how they should be, i guess.
what society and media as a whole should do is be more inclusive of heavier people because they arr part of our race and deserve to be treated the same.
i kinda doubt fat acceptance would raise obesity levels if that's what you're worrying about.
people with mental and physical difficulties are far [I] far [/I] more likely to get better and help themselves when they are supported and accepted for who they are.
like fatphobia has been a part of western civilization for ages and yeah, obesity levels are rising despite societal pressures. same with drug addiction rising despite bigotry towards addicts and blah blah blah. there is a connection to be made here.[/QUOTE]
Considering the cost of obesity to national health care, it's a national issue much in the same way tobacco use is. "Being fat is unhealthy" isn't an opinion, it's a medical fact (in the vast majority of cases at least).
Obesity rates in Denmark have doubled since 1987, and we need to curb that growth. You shouldn't be berated for being fat, but if you look yourself in the mirror and think "I have no reason to change" while weighing 200kg, there's something wrong. I don't doubt at all that depression totally destroys any motivation for weight loss, but being unhappy with your body doesn't (or shouldn't) necessarily entail depression - I think I could improve my body in some ways, that doesn't mean I'm depressive. Some level of dissatisfaction (I'm not saying it should be as high as it is currently) must be there in order for people to change their bodies, otherwise there's no motivation at all to do so.
Maybe we're too focused on change here, but honestly it's more about preventing kids from becoming obese. Losing weight is hard from a psychological standpoint, so curbing the rates of obesity is really on the parents. The fact of the matter is that fat parents often get fat kids - their eating habits are directly influencing those of their kids. If the mother or father in the family enjoys chips, they're less likely to say no when the kid is pleading in the supermarket. They're also less likely to bicycle to school, work, whatever, directly influencing their kids' activity levels. Obese parents must as such at least realize that being obese is far from ideal, and they need to change their habits if they want their kids to be healthy.
There are some similarities between drug addictions and being fat, but there are big differences as well. Drug addicts are often homeless, without connections to their family, and in many ways isolated from society. Obese people aren't in general.
Again, I'm not promoting ads with skinny people saying "what's up fatso" but I think the usage of (for example) "plus size" models is a normalization of something that isn't (and shouldn't be) normal.
*bangs head against wall*
the slogan is being severely overlooked in this thread.
"Does your body look like this? No? Well you cant wear a bikini and you shouldnt be on the beach." Think about the effect of that on young girls. Its not just about fat people, its about the media and advertising affecting the rise of eating disorders such as bulimia.
[QUOTE=Scum;47616370]~We~ don't have to do anything?
like there's no responsibility being put onto you except just don't be a dick and accept/support people for who they are instead of judging them due to your own opinions on how they should be, i guess.
what society and media as a whole should do is be more inclusive of heavier people because they arr part of our race and deserve to be treated the same.[/QUOTE]
why not just be kinda mean to them instead
[QUOTE=Croix;47610940]But therein lies the problem. Why should I be empathic for someones state that they put themselves in? If you are having trouble with your body image because you're fat or not fit enough then why not go on a diet and get some excercise? It's healthy.
I understand and symphathize with people who have health issues or body image issues they can't affect (diseases, disfigurements). But if you have body image issues because you're a lazy fat person, then I will have very, very limited empathy towards you. If there's some psychological reason behind it like being ashamed of going jogging I would be more understanding too but then the person should get help anyway. Lazy gluttonous people don't deserve my empathy.
I don't think fat people should be directly shamed. But empathy? No.[/QUOTE]
Both me and my partner are quite large (I am 200lb, she is 220) both of us are trying to lose it and we both agree with this.
[QUOTE=The Janitor;47616531]Because I want to judge people. I'm free to do so and in turn expect to be judged for my actions.
Fat people weren't a part of our race. Humans literally created fattys. Before society you were either not hungry or hungry. Not asking your healthy cavemen friends to accept you because you couldn't come out and hunt because you'd eaten everyone's food, because they'd just eat you and move on.
"It's a human eat human world out there".[/QUOTE]
alrighty. i guess we just have fundamentally different values in terms of judgmental behaviour. but that's okay, i'm not judging you for it. ;P
i just think everyone who can should make the effort to get along with each other and accept and support regardless of differences cos love don't judge bruh and love ain't exclusive.
but yeah we just got totally different views starting at the roots so there's no real reason to continue discussion.
[QUOTE=Scum;47616914]alrighty. i guess we just have fundamentally different values in terms of judgmental behaviour. but that's okay, i'm not judging you for it. ;P
i just think everyone who can should make the effort to get along with each other and accept and support regardless of differences cos love don't judge bruh and love ain't exclusive.
but yeah we just got totally different views starting at the roots so there's no real reason to continue discussion.[/QUOTE]
Judging someone just means you've formed an opinion about them. People take it as such a negative word but really you've judged your best friend to be just that. I never said acceptance isn't okay. But it's completely dependent on what I'm accepting. I don't accept the fact there's a space man who made everything but I accept that people are allowed to think about that.
I think the problem everyone is having lately is that they are offended by every little fucking thing. Honestly sometimes even saying "Excuse Me" or "Thankyou", has people flipping out.
I was with my friend who recently said "You're welcome" when someone thanked him for something and there response was to fire up and yell back "I SAID THANKYOU!!!". People are fucking crazy and need some judging.
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