• 40,000 people Sign Petition to Remove "Beach Body Ready" advert
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[QUOTE=Scum;47616914]alrighty. i guess we just have fundamentally different values in terms of judgmental behaviour. but that's okay, i'm not judging you for it. ;P i just think everyone who can should make the effort to get along with each other and accept and support regardless of differences cos love don't judge bruh and love ain't exclusive. but yeah we just got totally different views starting at the roots so there's no real reason to continue discussion.[/QUOTE] Love might not judge but cardiovascular disease does friend.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;47616556]Considering the cost of obesity to national health care, it's a national issue much in the same way tobacco use is. "Being fat is unhealthy" isn't an opinion, it's a medical fact (in the vast majority of cases at least). Obesity rates in Denmark have doubled since 1987, and we need to curb that growth. You shouldn't be berated for being fat, but if you look yourself in the mirror and think "I have no reason to change" while weighing 200kg, there's something wrong. I don't doubt at all that depression totally destroys any motivation for weight loss, but being unhappy with your body doesn't (or shouldn't) necessarily entail depression - I think I could improve my body in some ways, that doesn't mean I'm depressive. Some level of dissatisfaction (I'm not saying it should be as high as it is currently) must be there in order for people to change their bodies, otherwise there's no motivation at all to do so. Maybe we're too focused on change here, but honestly it's more about preventing kids from becoming obese. Losing weight is hard from a psychological standpoint, so curbing the rates of obesity is really on the parents. The fact of the matter is that fat parents often get fat kids - their eating habits are directly influencing those of their kids. If the mother or father in the family enjoys chips, they're less likely to say no when the kid is pleading in the supermarket. They're also less likely to bicycle to school, work, whatever, directly influencing their kids' activity levels. Obese parents must as such at least realize that being obese is far from ideal, and they need to change their habits if they want their kids to be healthy. There are some similarities between drug addictions and being fat, but there are big differences as well. Drug addicts are often homeless, without connections to their family, and in many ways isolated from society. Obese people aren't in general. Again, I'm not promoting ads with skinny people saying "what's up fatso" but I think the usage of (for example) "plus size" models is a normalization of something that isn't (and shouldn't be) normal.[/QUOTE] yeah well like i said, mental and physical health problems are much easily solved when there is support and acceptance so i reckon the best way to curb rising obesity rates is to be more supportive and accepting of the people who are already obese or nearing it. [url]http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0005789496800256[/url] (go to page 13) this is in terms of therapy but i really think stuff like this needs to be taken into consideration. it's also a poverty issue too with very unhealthy food being the easiest and cheapest option for many low income families - so there's another way of curbing obesity by focusing on low income populations food supplies. yeah i get that most obese people DO want to change but i just really have a problem when they are seemingly denied self acceptance due to the extremely negative perceptions of them from society (i have used the word society like 5 billion times in this thread). What i mean when i say perceptions and opinions is not the indeed medical fact that it is unhealthy but that this unhealthiness devalues the person. that study i linked has a nice part where it says, "Self-acceptance should not be confused with complacency and the failure to heed well-founded advice about reducing the health risks of obesity. No conflict need exist between greater self-acceptance and efforts to make necessary dietary and exercise changes. There is no evidence that the former will undermine the latter." [editline]29th April 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=The Janitor;47616953]Judging someone just means you've formed an opinion about them. People take it as such a negative word but really you've judged your best friend to be just that. I never said acceptance isn't okay. But it's completely dependent on what I'm accepting. I don't accept the fact there's a space man who made everything but I accept that people are allowed to think about that. I think the problem everyone is having lately is that they are offended by every little fucking thing. Honestly sometimes even saying "Excuse Me" or "Thankyou", has people flipping out. I was with my friend who recently said "You're welcome" when someone thanked him for something and there response was to fire up and yell back "I SAID THANKYOU!!!". People are fucking crazy and need some judging.[/QUOTE] yes you are right about that judging isn't necessarily a negative thing but that is normally the connotation and so that's what i mean. i think (negative) judgement can easily hinder any chances of empathizing and understanding other people and can cause toxic us and them mentalities which leads to bad conflict. this is a problem that progressive and normally accepting people can have too when they develop the snobbish attitude of "I'm more tolerant than you!!!"
[QUOTE=Scum;47615750]the whole reason men are normally quiet about their emotions on this stuff is because for generations the common idea of masculinity was to be quiet about emotions. it's a shitty attitude which has led to the endemic of male mental illnesses being hidden from others because "men refuse to talk about shit"[/QUOTE] No, the idea of masculinity is to do what you have to do. No point in whining, no one is going to give you a free ride in life. There's also the fact that society is less likely to hear the pleas of men.
see i hope you realize that that isn't a healthy idea. the idea that pointing out issues is whining and that asking for support is trying to get a free ride. we are social animals who work best and healthiest when together. and that "societal fact" is due to that idea of masculinity you seem to be supporting, not the cause of it. but i do suppose it must work in a feedback loop or what have you.
So making fun of small people is acceptable, but fat shaming isn't?
[QUOTE=Scum;47617041]see i hope you realize that that isn't a healthy idea. the idea that pointing out issues is whining and that asking for support is trying to get a free ride. we are social animals who work best and healthiest when together. and that "societal fact" is due to that idea of masculinity you seem to be supporting, not the cause of it. but i do suppose it must work in a feedback loop or what have you.[/QUOTE] Complaining that you're fat is not a cry for help, it's a whine. Demanding that a company that want people to lose weight to remove their ads is worse than a whine. Men's issues are always being pointed, they're just being ignored.
[QUOTE=Adarrek;47617076]So making fun of small people is acceptable, but fat shaming isn't?[/QUOTE] How is that acceptable?
[QUOTE=Ragekipz;47617119]Complaining that you're fat is not a cry for help, it's a whine. Demanding that a company that want people to lose weight to remove their ads is worse than a whine. Men's issues are always being pointed, they're just being ignored.[/QUOTE] i dont think the fat acceptance movement is about complaining about being fat brah. and just read the rest of the thread for why they're demanding the ad removal cos it doesn't seem like you understand. and c'mon man which men's issues are these. fun fact feminism does work to combat issues like toxic forms of masculinity that cause male rape victims to stay quiet or to believe that they have to act aggressive which work into the men's issue of how they are overwhelmingly the majority of prison inmates. [editline]29th April 2015[/editline] although there is a problem with the court systems in terms of child custody. although that could be linked to the stereotype of women being more caring than men which is ALSO LINKED TO SILLY IDEAS OF MASCULINITY AND FEMININITY AND THE EVEN SILLIER IDEA THAT they are behavior types! (someone else who agrees and gets what i mean should probably explain this better because i can not for the life of me find the right words) [editline]29th April 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Adarrek;47617076]So making fun of small people is acceptable, but fat shaming isn't?[/QUOTE] nah man that's shit's lame too
if i ever run a company i'll just lowkey not hire anyone who is fat
So, uh, can anybody actually tell me what the advertisers should have done other than to use a fit model to advertise this?
[QUOTE=Scum;47617148]i dont think the fat acceptance movement is about complaining about being fat brah. and just read the rest of the thread for why they're demanding the ad removal cos it doesn't seem like you understand. and c'mon man which men's issues are these. fun fact feminism does work to combat issues like toxic forms of masculinity that cause male rape victims to stay quiet or to believe that they have to act aggressive which work into the men's issue of how they are overwhelmingly the majority of prison inmates. although there is a problem with the court systems in terms of child custody. although that could be linked to the stereotype of women being more caring than men which is ALSO LINKED TO SILLY IDEAS OF MASCULINITY AND FEMININITY AND THE EVEN SILLIER IDEA THAT they are behavior types! (someone else who agrees and gets what i mean should probably explain this better because i can not for the life of me find the right words)[/QUOTE] Once again here we have Feminism posed as the second comming of Christ that's going to help men. Now I know that it's futile to argue with you, so I might as well just stop posting. Have fun.
[QUOTE=Ragekipz;47617329]Once again here we have Feminism posed as the second comming of Christ that's going to help men. Now I know that it's futile to argue with you, so I might as well just stop posting. Have fun.[/QUOTE] Feminism is not about men, it never has and never will. It's about equality between men and women by helping women. To think a feminist movement is going to help men is delusional. That's not the purpose of feminism. The movement is a good thing but do not misunderstand it as a movement to help men.
Feminism is actually hurting women in terms of the "Healthy at any size" spinoff
[QUOTE=Glitchman;47617528]Feminism is actually hurting women in terms of the "Healthy at any size" spinoff[/QUOTE] I don't think you can say that's feminism, just some people using feminism as a front to be envious cunts.
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