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[QUOTE=yawmwen;27450062]I'm pretty sure the US is different. The US Military is known for taking high school drop-outs and people with no back-up plan. They want recruits, and lots of them. The penalty for dissenting against your boss is being fired, the penalty for dissenting in the army is court marshal. [editline]16th January 2011[/editline] You don't get a choice if you are a soldier.[/QUOTE] Yeah everyone loves new recruits but for officer training here you need a minimum of a few pretty good grades from school at least, and the army doesn't like officers who are just there as a back up plan, show's a lack of commitment and they really don't want that when you're leading 30 men into a firefight. [editline]16th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Lachz0r;27450101]your apathy seems to break quite a lot from what i've seen.[/QUOTE] Witty comments =/= broken apathy. Generally just don't care bout most stuff, still doesn't stop me being a cunt cause I get a giggle out of it.

[QUOTE=bravehat;27450107]Yeah everyone loves new recruits but for officer training here you need a minimum of a few pretty good grades from school at least, and the army doesn't like officers who are just there as a back up plan, show's a lack of commitment and they really don't want that when you're leading 30 men into a firefight. [editline]16th January 2011[/editline] Witty comments =/= broken apathy. Generally just don't care bout most stuff, still doesn't stop me being a cunt cause I get a giggle out of it.[/QUOTE] UR DUM AS A 4 YER OLD isn't witty lol. i think you're more a narcissist than a sociopath.

[QUOTE=bravehat;27450025]The army won't take folk who have the army as a back up plan dude, at least that's how it is in the UK.[/QUOTE] US will take any fresh meat you can feed it. [QUOTE=yawmwen;27450036]We can be army bros! Being an officer would be fucking cash.[/QUOTE] My end goal is somewhere in Federal Law enforcement. If I don't get accepted with a bachelors degree, I'll join the Army and hopefully become an officer. After 4-8 years I'll reapply to agencies, if I still don't get accepted I'll go for my masters and so on and so on until I reach my goal. During the course of all this I am also learning languages, I'm pretty good at Spanish and I can communicate with locals here pretty well. Physically I can pass the physical tests for the Army, however if I want to be an officer I want to score of 100 in all aspects before I enlist. Then my only worry would be gaining respect of the people I would oversee, as soldiers have more respect for solider before officer, rather than civilian to officer.

[QUOTE=bravehat;27450107]Yeah everyone loves new recruits but for officer training here you need a minimum of a few pretty good grades from school at least, and the army doesn't like officers who are just there as a back up plan, show's a lack of commitment and they really don't want that when you're leading 30 men into a firefight. [editline]16th January 2011[/editline] Witty comments =/= broken apathy. Generally just don't care bout most stuff, still doesn't stop me being a cunt cause I get a giggle out of it.[/QUOTE] Around here if you are enlisting then you get an aptitude test, so that they can best fit you with a job(someone with a lot of mechanical aptitude goes from meat shield to mechanic). If you show enough aptitude they offer officer training(or possibly West Point) for you.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;27450149]Around here if you are enlisting then you get an aptitude test, so that they can best fit you with a job(someone with a lot of mechanical aptitude goes from meat shield to mechanic). If you show enough aptitude they offer officer training(or possibly West Point) for you.[/QUOTE] Here it's the BARB test then all the fitness tests, high enough score on the BARB and you can pretty much go anywhere in the army, if you go for officers training then it's a year at Sandhurst university you do. And LachZor, keep crying, your internet tears only serve to arouse me :quagmire:

[QUOTE=bravehat;27450181]Here it's the BARB test then all the fitness tests, high enough score on the BARB and you can pretty much go anywhere in the army, if you go for officers training then it's a year at Sandhurst university you do. And LachZor, keep crying, your internet tears only serve to arouse me :quagmire:[/QUOTE] wow its a 0 not a o. hey man i'm just glad i can evoke some emotions in a self-diagnosed sociopath :)

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;27450217]wow its a 0 not a o. hey man i'm just glad i can evoke some emotions in a self-diagnosed sociopath :)[/QUOTE] It isn't hard to evoke emotion in a sociopath. :geno:

[QUOTE=yawmwen;27450239]It isn't hard to evoke emotion in a sociopath. :geno:[/QUOTE] i thought sociopaths didn't have emotions?

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;27450256]i thought sociopaths didn't have emotions?[/QUOTE] Not necessarily, I'm just an apathetic person.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;27450256]i thought sociopaths didn't have emotions?[/QUOTE] No. Anti-Social Personality Disorder is "a pervasive pattern of disregard for, and violation of, the rights of others that begins in childhood or early adolescence and continues into adulthood." They don't generally feel empathy, but are angered incredibly easily. [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial_personality_disorder#cite_note-DSM-IV-TR-0"][/URL]

[QUOTE=yawmwen;27450280]No. Anti-Social Personality Disorder is "a pervasive pattern of disregard for, and violation of, the rights of others that begins in childhood or early adolescence and continues into adulthood." They don't generally feel empathy, but are angered incredibly easily. [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial_personality_disorder#cite_note-DSM-IV-TR-0"][/URL][/QUOTE] i thought they only felt extreme emotions which is why so many sociopaths become serial killers or whatever?

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;27450301]i thought they only felt extreme emotions which is why so many sociopaths become serial killers or whatever?[/QUOTE] [quote] On the other hand, he claims sociopaths have relatively normal temperaments;[/quote] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial_personality_disorder#Sociopathy[/url]

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;27450301]i thought they only felt extreme emotions which is why so many sociopaths become serial killers or whatever?[/QUOTE] Nah that's more to do with the fact they feel a sense of narcissism, odd beliefs and an extreme inability to understand and connect with people. I may have the first as I've been told by many a folk, but I sure as fuck have at least half of the last one. And no odd beliefs here no siree.

Sociopaths also don't generally become serial killers, neither do psychopaths. IIRC it's a combination of ASPD plus OCD(obsessive compulsive disorder) or OCPD(obsessive compulsive personality disorder).

[QUOTE=JDK721;27447263]:frog:[/QUOTE] You confuse me JDK. You're usually more anti-war than I am.

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;27451120]You confuse me JDK. You're usually more anti-war than I am.[/QUOTE] Yeah that doesn't make him a drooling retard such as yourself. :tiphat:

[QUOTE=Ryenoru;27449859]Yeah man fuck all those mindless robots who feel some sort of patriotic devotion to their maternal country and who love the ideals upon which that country is so firmly rooted they're willing to stake their lives for it. Just fuck those guys man.[/QUOTE] They love their country so much that'll willing kill people who don't love their country without thinking twice about it. Are these the kind of people you want to have around?

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;27451154]They love their country so much that'll willing kill people who don't love their country without thinking twice about it. Are these the kind of people you want to have around?[/QUOTE] Nice fallacy there bro.

[QUOTE=bravehat;27449889]Most people believe they join the army for the right reasons, that they can help people have a better life by dealing with agressive forces in other nations. Either way they can do the job and deal with it, or get thrown out with no job and little to no money for insubordination and disobeying orders. Besides your average soldier just goes in and shoots the people trying to shoot them, there's no heinous crimes commited, they go in, do the job they're paid for and signed a contract to do. Oscar Wilde had a saying that fits this well, "We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm." Either way, be fucking thankful that those people you give no respect have countless times saved your ass throughout the history of your nation, and they'd do it again for you even knowing how much of a cunt you are, cause they're all real nice like that.[/QUOTE] Lol, they only shoot when they're shot at? Lets go put soldiers in another country so they can be shot at. Good strategy. Or you know, we could not put them in places they don't belong. Just saying.

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;27451168]Lol, they only shoot when they're shot at? Lets go put soldiers in another country so they can be shot at. Good strategy. Or you know, we could not put them in places they don't belong. Just saying.[/QUOTE] Have you ever actually seen the ROE for the armies out in afghanistan? It's ridiculous, they are efectively not allowed to even fire back until the higher ups decide it's okay, the only people actually allowed to properly return fire and attack are those in the FOB's and on operations. And sure, if you're content to allow people to plot the demise of your nation then by all means. I wonder if you would still say that if world war 2 was on the horizon. And by the way, Isolationist policies rarely if ever work.

[QUOTE=bravehat;27451190]Have you ever actually seen the ROE for the armies out in afghanistan? It's ridiculous, they are efectively not allowed to even fire back until the higher ups decide it's okay. And sure, if you're content to allow people to plot the demise of your nation then by all means. I wonder if you would still say that if world war 2 was on the horizon. And by the way, Isolationist policies rarely if ever work.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure Afghanistan wasn't ever plotting against us without a good reason. I wonder why the Taliban didn't like us. Maybe it had to do with decades of military interventionism in the MIddle East? Maybe they felt threatened? According to you, feeling threatened is a good reason to attack somebody else. We need to stop bullying other countries because once in a while somebody is gonna fight back. Second of all, how can you say isolationism doesn't work? How often do you see Canada intervening militarily? You know, the only country to ever invade Canada was the United States in 1812. I think their foreign policy is working really fucking well. I'm all for diplomacy and global economics, but we don't need to use our military all the damn time. [editline]16th January 2011[/editline] I mean fuck, we're the only country to have invaded Mexico too.

Canada is a commonwealth nation. They're in Afghanistan. Also I'm pretty sure the Spanish invaded mexico from the south when they were conquesting southern america, and yeah the taliban might wanna pimp slap america for shit that happened in teh past, that doesn't mean the US has to sit there and take it.

[QUOTE=bravehat;27451274]Canada is a commonwealth nation. They're in Afghanistan. Also I'm pretty sure the Spanish invaded mexico from the south when they were conquesting southern america, and yeah the taliban might wanna pimp slap america for shit that happened in teh past, that doesn't mean the US has to sit there and take it.[/QUOTE] the taliban didn't do a damn thing to the US. [editline]16th January 2011[/editline] heck the taliban weren't and aren't even capable of doing anything to the US

The taliban attacked troops, the US went to attack Al Qaeda and the Taliban jumped into the fray, they would probably have been left alone if they hadn't jumped in. Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't the taliban the ones fighting what they see as oppression from the coalition forces? the freedom fighters? If they are then that's a whole different kettle of fish, that will hopefully be resolved when the coalition pulls out of Afghanistan by 2015.

[QUOTE=bravehat;27451590]The taliban attacked troops, the US went to attack Al Qaeda and the Taliban jumped into the fray, they would probably have been left alone if they hadn't jumped in. Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't the taliban the ones fighting what they see as oppression from the coalition forces? the freedom fighters? If they are then that's a whole different kettle of fish, that will hopefully be resolved when the coalition pulls out of Afghanistan by 2015.[/QUOTE] US attacked afghanistan, the taliban were fully justified in fighting back. the taliban are the group that controlled afghanistan before US attacked so yeah i guess they are fighting what they see as oppression.

The US attacked to destroy the gents responsible for 9/11, either way without the taliban in power and a democracy in place things should be running better for the people of afghanistan. Bearing in mind that what they see as oppression and what oppression actually is are two different things.

[QUOTE=bravehat;27451639]The US attacked to destroy the gents responsible for 9/11, either way without the taliban in power and a democracy in place things should be running better for the people of afghanistan. Bearing in mind that what they see as oppression and what oppression actually is are two different things.[/QUOTE] i dunno i think these past 10 years havent been running well for the people of afghanistan. if they wanted to destroy the people responsible for 9/11 maybe they should have accepted when the taliban offered to hand bin laden over? or maybe they should have attacked pakistan where the al qaeda is based?

[QUOTE=ASmellyOgre;27447604]I'm dead serious. This is literally a war against an idea--the idea that the threat of force can bend someone to your will. [/QUOTE] Which means that we have to insert a new idea into them. [img]http://punchbowlblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/leonardo_dicaprio.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;27451777]i dunno i think these past 10 years havent been running well for the people of afghanistan. if they wanted to destroy the people responsible for 9/11 maybe they should have accepted when the taliban offered to hand bin laden over? or maybe they should have attacked pakistan where the al qaeda is based?[/QUOTE] You can't just attack Pakistan for fuck sake, they had a modernish army and nuclear weapons, and if you attack Pakistan then India will jump in seeing a moment of opportunity to take out pakistan, and then everyone sees an opportunity to fuck each other up and suddenly the entire middle east and Indian sub continent is at war. Very very very bad idea. And the PIRA offered to go and behead Bin Laden as well, the US turned em down too, but I'm pretty sure they realised that would do shit all, and they were right, we've taken out a ton of Al Qaeda higher ups and it's had little effect, the lower ranks just fight with each for who gets to take their superiors place and then they carry on with the previous plan. It's not easy, that's why the coalition is still there, we can't just kill one and say "Job done let's head home" we have to stay and handle the remnants.

[QUOTE=bravehat;27451825]You can't just attack Pakistan for fuck sake, they had a modernish army and nuclear weapons, and if you attack Pakistan then India will jump in seeing a moment of opportunity to take out pakistan, and then everyone sees an opportunity to fuck each other up and suddenly the entire middle east and Indian sub continent is at war. Very very very bad idea. And the PIRA offered to go and behead Bin Laden as well, the US turned em down too, but I'm pretty sure they realised that would do shit all, and they were right, we've taken out a ton of Al Qaeda higher ups and it's had little effect, the lower ranks just fight with each for who gets to take their superiors place and then they carry on with the previous plan. It's not easy, that's why the coalition is still there, we can't just kill one and say "Job done let's head home" we have to stay and handle the remnants.[/QUOTE] i wasn't condoning an attack on pakistan, i was just pointing out that trying to destroy al qaeda by attacking them in afghanistan even though they are largely based in pakistan is fucking retarded. i think the difference between accepting the help of the PIRA and the taliban would probably be that if osama was in afghanstian, and the taliban control afghanistan, they may have a good chance of capturing him! and big deal, the whole basis of these terrorist cells is that they can survive without leadership, or if any leaders die there are plenty more ready to replace them. why not just head home? heck why not just not go there at all, would have stopped alot of suffering.