• Kanye West’s new album, ‘The Life of Pablo,’ now available on Apple Music, Spotify, Google Play Musi
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Are you making the suggestion that people who generally aren't paying for music (i.e. pirating, perhaps) literally won't pay for any? Because that's actually a fair claim, but there's plenty of users on private trackers that are super supportive of artists in paying for their favorite music a lot of those people that pay for the music in other ways, i.e. heading to concerts and buying merchandise. A long while ago, I thought of a weird idea for a record label that focused on creating an incentive for music. Most people glorify payment as the ultimate means to support an artist, but I've always questioned that. Unless you've got a great deal, most of that money goes into paying other people - especially administration. What I would really like is if Kanye released an album for a small amount but indicated how much of the money went to him. Sadly, that probably won't look enticing - he probably doesn't get very much in comparison to everyone around him. Or maybe he does nowadays - I don't know. But imagine looking around a record label's site and seeing "$5.00 ($4.59 goes to the artist)" That would be cool as shit, and people would feel more connected and compelled to support their artist. As it stands, my real life friends are pretty aware that their money doesn't make it very far. As it stands now though, it's either $20 with like $1 going to the artist, or $20 with $19 going to the artist. Either way I don't support either of those, because one suggests the artist is barely making anything off my contribution, or he's making a lot of it and he arbitrarily set his price too high. On the other hand, if it was that $5.00 and he made enough of it I'd be super impressed and super supportive. [editline]4th April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Ganerumo;50066653]A soda isn't an artistic creation. If you want soda for free you have to steal it. If you want music for free you go to youtube and nobody will bother you.[/QUOTE] Listening online does result in payment with ads. That's how a lot of people get paid nowadays. I've used Spotify and I remember having to listen to ads and not being so bothered by it. Same with Pandora. (There's AdBlock, but it's not so easy setting on the phone.) I think that's the simpler way to make things convenient for people so that they don't pirate. If things are free with reasonable amounts of advertising, I don't see the issue.
I'm saying that if someone says they don't have the necessary disposable income to buy a 20 dollar music album, the chance of them buying any music album, for any price, is very slim. That's obviously not going to be their priority whatsoever, especially in a world with such easy access to free music by legal means. Even if the artist gets paid through youtube, that's still not a single cent from the user spent directly towards that artist, it's more a byproduct than anything else. There's also the fact that [I]because[/I] of this really easy to access music, people see actually buying music as even more of a "disposable income" thing. Meaning a low price on an album isn't as likely to get someone to buy it as twenty years ago. The fact that albums are "too expensive" also seems to mostly just be a matter of perception caused by the easy access to "free" (indirectly paid) music. A bit of research indicates that album prices have actually dropped (even more so when the prices are adjusted to inflation) overall. Sure, this album is a bit over the usual price, but it's still within perfectly acceptable boundaries.
[QUOTE=Swiket;50063040]As a Kanye fan I think it's among the weakest of his discography. If it was $10 I would've bought it, but for $20 I'll just keep listening to it on Spotify. [editline]3rd April 2016[/editline] Btw, you don't get FLAC files if you buy it off of his site. And on Tidal the album is the same price for MP3 or FLAC - $20. [url]http://tidal.com/us/store/album/57273408[/url][/QUOTE] Personally I think it's some of his best. Not MBDTF levels, but better than Graduation/808s/Yeezus by a mile and about on level with College Dropout/Late Registration. Ultalight Beams is seriously one of his best songs. It just needs to be reorganized to the whole 'multiple acts' thing that Waves was originally going to be. Start out with Famous and Feeback and stuff like that and end with FML and Ultralight Beams. Only One should have been on the album.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;50066781]I'm saying that if someone says they don't have the necessary disposable income to buy a 20 dollar music album, the chance of them buying any music album, for any price, is very slim. That's obviously not going to be their priority whatsoever, especially in a world with such easy access to free music by legal means. Even if the artist gets paid through youtube, that's still not a single cent from the user spent directly towards that artist, it's more a byproduct than anything else. There's also the fact that [I]because[/I] of this really easy to access music, people see actually buying music as even more of a "disposable income" thing. Meaning a low price on an album isn't as likely to get someone to buy it as twenty years ago. The fact that albums are "too expensive" also seems to mostly just be a matter of perception caused by the easy access to "free" (indirectly paid) music. A bit of research indicates that album prices have actually dropped (even more so when the prices are adjusted to inflation) overall. Sure, this album is a bit over the usual price, but it's still within perfectly acceptable boundaries.[/QUOTE] I believe music in the past was too expensive as well. When you go to look at paintings and stuff, you don't have to pay the viewing tax, save for when you have to pay a museum for entry. When audio is suddenly a part of it, you have to pay $20? Why? "It keeps the artist funded" is the obvious answer, which is okay, fine. Whatever. But $20? This guy is now living a stable life. He doesn't need $20. What support does this guy need? It's not just him, it's music as a whole.
wauterboi what did kanye do to you
Nothing - I don't think he responds well to media overanalysis and I don't think he's as terrible as a lot of other people make him out to be, but he's still pretty shitty in a lot of ways and I don't think his music is really that great or revolutionary at all. And despite not wanting to look like an asshole, he sure throws himself at the media quite a bit with a high energy. And then people embrace him for that, which is weird. Nonetheless, if I were cruising through the CD's of any shop or the online catalog of anyone, I'd be wailing on anyone that released anything for over $20. It's not a matter of Kanye, it's a matter of principle. Anyone that sells their album for more than $20 is full of themselves or is run by a bunch of crooks. As a musician, music is not worth $20.
well man whether it's great or not is definitely subjective but you can't argue that it isn't revolutionary, especially his early stuff contemporary rap in general would definitely sound different if it wasn't for him
[QUOTE=wauterboi;50066962]I believe music in the past was too expensive as well. When you go to look at paintings and stuff, you don't have to pay the viewing tax, save for when you have to pay a museum for entry. When audio is suddenly a part of it, you have to pay $20? Why? "It keeps the artist funded" is the obvious answer, which is okay, fine. Whatever. But $20? This guy is now living a stable life. He doesn't need $20. What support does this guy need? It's not just him, it's music as a whole.[/QUOTE] Most acceptable museums have an entry fee for most of the year and sometimes have a free entry event. Before the advent of the internet and high definition if you wanted to see a work of art you had to either pay the trip and the entry fee to see it here and then, buy an encyclopedia with pictures in it, or buy a reproduction.
[QUOTE=Eric95;50067391]well man whether it's great or not is definitely subjective but you can't argue that it isn't revolutionary, especially his early stuff contemporary rap in general would definitely sound different if it wasn't for him[/QUOTE] Maybe I've just got a heavy bias against rap in general because most rappers fit on my rap bingo card. I even listen to rap and I think all of it is starting to bug me. Kanye isn't doing anything different, lyrically. Sure, there's a difference in his technical sound but I don't think he's changing very much in the actual rapping content of the song. Alright producer (although I could put up some debates when it comes to specific songs I've heard), but that's about it. I hang out with others who listen to Kanye West and I hang out with others that listen to rap. It's a genre I want to be good, but it really does boil down to egotism and cliches. This is pretty irrelevant though and has nothing to do with what I think of his pricing. I'm not really looking to invalidate people's fandoms when it comes to Kanye because I don't care - listen to whatever you want. He isn't the worst as a rapper, but his pricing is stupid. And a musical revolution shouldn't cost $20. [editline]4th April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Ganerumo;50067495]Most acceptable museums have an entry fee for most of the year and sometimes have a free entry event. Before the advent of the internet and high definition if you wanted to see a work of art you had to either pay the trip and the entry fee to see it here and then, buy an encyclopedia with pictures in it, or buy a reproduction.[/QUOTE] Yup, and times have changed. Now in order to view the Mona Lisa, it's a quick Google search away. If I want to view a current painter's work, I can view it on their deviantArt page, or their personal portfolio site. If I want to physically own a painter's work, I have to pay for it and that's because it's literal ownership of the only copy in existence and that in itself has a separate value. I get paying to have a band play, but I don't get paying an artist for pre-recorded performances in the current day. There's so many free alternatives that owning music needs to die ASAP. It's not gonna happen, save for devoted fans who I'd only support in the instances of smaller acts. I don't think Kanye needs financial support directly from music sales. He performs. He has merchandise. He has rights to his music when it comes to being played in commercials. He has rights for his music to be played in film and videos. He's not going to crumble if he doesn't sell his music. And as a musician myself, I don't think it would be feasible for me to survive off of music sales nor should I ever expect to be able to do so. That's why it's voluntary on my site. I would love to write music for films and stuff like that, and at that point I'm being paid for creative [I]work[/I]. It's employed-music making at that point.
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