• Bernie Sanders buys 600,000 dollar summer home.
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[QUOTE=aznz888;50856752]i like how people are literally giving bernie sanders shit for existing because he's doing something that most of the populus folk are already doing[/QUOTE] Okay I'm all for liking Bernie's politics but this is just ridiculous. In how much of a bubble do you have to be to think that most people can afford to but a $600,000 "summer home". It's not even a house that he's going to be living in most of the time ffs.
[QUOTE=GhillieBacca;50856698]This is what your donations paid for lol.[/QUOTE] I mean, can you prove that? At all?
[QUOTE=gnampf;50856692]So much for wanting to reduce homelessness when you have two houses.[/QUOTE] Explain to me how owning two houses in any way prevents somebody from reducing homelessness.
600,000 is a shack in my city. So he bought a summer home so fucking what he's a senator for over 20 years
[QUOTE=GhillieBacca;50856698]This is what your donations paid for lol.[/QUOTE] According to what, exactly? This is the same guy that flew coach to half of his campaign events.
[QUOTE=gnampf;50856809]I don't recall most people having a summer home. Really only the really wealthy.[/QUOTE] He is wealthy. Less wealthy than pretty much every other US senator, but wealthy. The current salary for a US congressman is $174,000 - and Sanders has been in Congress since 1991. He's a frugal dude, too. He takes the bus to work. He doesn't buy sports cars or any shit. His wife sold an old family home to afford this. Honestly, he's being smart - there are senators who are much poorer than him because they were forced to refinance million-dollar homes. He outright bought a $600,000 home, using savings (from frugality) and money from selling a different house. That's about as money-smart as you can get - financing a home is expensive as shit over time.
[QUOTE=shozamar;50856896]Okay I'm all for liking Bernie's politics but this is just ridiculous. In how much of a bubble do you have to be to think that most people can afford to but a $600,000 "summer home". It's not even a house that he's going to be living in most of the time ffs.[/QUOTE] Tons of wealthy people do this. Yes, Bernie is "wealthy" by American standards. No this doesn't make him a bad champion of the poor.
How big of a house is this in New England money? I live in Silicon Valley in the safest city so $600k gets you 3 bedrooms, 2 bathrooms, and you live next to me so you hear dogs barking and yelling all the time
People would be losing their shit if Hillary did this.
A lot of fairly cramped properties on the Jersey shore sell for more than that. Nice shit's fucking expensive these days, surprise.
[QUOTE=hoodoo456;50856941]People would be losing their shit if Hillary did this.[/QUOTE] Not really. It's probably a side-effect of living where I do but I regularly see fairly modest homes (at least, not big mansions) listed for nearly double that, and a senator's salary is decent income even for around here.
If I was being asked to endorse Shillary you'd be goddamned right I'd squeeze as much out of her as possible, separate her from the only thing she truly loves
[QUOTE=hoodoo456;50856941]People would be losing their shit if Hillary did this.[/QUOTE] Please, Clinton literally bought a $1.7m house just to run for senate in New York.
[QUOTE=GhillieBacca;50856698]This is what your donations paid for lol.[/QUOTE] Not sure if you're serious or if you're trolling. It's equally stupid either way.
[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;50856967]Not really. It's probably a side-effect of living where I do but I regularly see fairly modest homes (at least, not big mansions) listed for nearly double that, and a senator's salary is decent income even for around here.[/QUOTE] The whole of Bernie's platform was based around the redistribution of wealth. Go into a ghetto and say "$600,000 only gets a modest home where I live" and see the reaction that gets, then maybe casually mention that it's for a "summer home". Bernie was trying to represent and earn the trust of those people. I think it'd be understandable for them to feel misled or betrayed. You're right to say that he can do what he likes with his money but wrong to expect him to command the same level of respect among the poor and underrepresented for spending in this way. Don't get me wrong, I still love his platform but I he's totally lost some of his gravitas in my eyes for this.
[QUOTE=hoodoo456;50856941]People would be losing their shit if Hillary did this.[/QUOTE] Probably has something to do with the fact that she gets paid millions of dollars to make secret speeches at massive Wall Street firms while campaigning on a platform of reforming Wall Street. But no, just keep pretending Hillary's criticism is unwarranted, have some fun with it!
[QUOTE=Dr.C;50856937]How big of a house is this in New England money? I live in Silicon Valley in the safest city so $600k gets you 3 bedrooms, 2 bathrooms, and you live next to me so you hear dogs barking and yelling all the time[/QUOTE] California is where rich people go to live, so honestly quite a big house.
[QUOTE=shozamar;50857046]The whole of Bernie's platform was based around the redistribution of wealth. Go into a ghetto and say "$600,000 only gets a modest home where I live" and see the reaction that gets, then maybe casually mention that it's for a "summer home". Bernie was trying to represent and earn the trust of those people. I think it'd be understandable for them to feel misled or betrayed. You're right to say that he can do what he likes with his money but wrong to expect him to command the same level of respect among the poor and underrepresented for spending in this way. Don't get me wrong, I still love his platform but I he's totally lost some of his gravitas in my eyes for this.[/QUOTE] I feel like if you knew he made $170,000 a year for being a Congressman (ie someone who doesn't exactly work a 50 hour a week job like some of us do) you'd already take his redistribution of wealth message with a grain of salt.
I love all the defense of Hillary where she isn't even mentioned. Sanders is rightfully defended from ridiculous media controversy? "But people would probably be mad at Hillary for this!!!", okay, what's your point? People will always take things too far and make unfair criticisms of candidates based on their existing bias. So what? Does that somehow invalidate the bad things the candidate does? Or does it make the candidate [I]actually being criticized[/I] worse somehow? No? Then shut up about it.
Y'all should check out those dank happy merchant memes on r/the_donald rn
[QUOTE=shozamar;50857046]The whole of Bernie's platform was based around the redistribution of wealth. Go into a ghetto and say "$600,000 only gets a modest home where I live" and see the reaction that gets, then maybe casually mention that it's for a "summer home". Bernie was trying to represent and earn the trust of those people. I think it'd be understandable for them to feel misled or betrayed. You're right to say that he can do what he likes with his money but wrong to expect him to command the same level of respect among the poor and underrepresented for spending in this way. Don't get me wrong, I still love his platform but I he's totally lost some of his gravitas in my eyes for this.[/QUOTE] So in order to advocate for the poor, he has to live like he's poor himself? Despite everything he's done to advocate for those in poverty, apparently it's all for naught unless he lives in Section 8 housing and lives on food stamps, right?
There's nothing fundamentally wrong with him spending $600,000 on a summer home, but it contradicts his message a bit.
[QUOTE=srobins;50857082]So in order to advocate for the poor, he has to live like he's poor himself? Despite everything he's done to advocate for those in poverty, apparently it's all for naught unless he lives in Section 8 housing and lives on food stamps, right?[/QUOTE] No but there's a difference between retaining some level of empathic credibility with people who earn barely anything and spending $600,000 on a summer home. There's a line to be drawn somewhere quite far before that. [editline]10th August 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Boba_Fett;50857093]There's nothing fundamentally wrong with him spending $600,000 on a summer home, but it contradicts his message a bit.[/QUOTE] Exactly
[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;50857093]There's nothing fundamentally wrong with him spending $600,000 on a summer home, but it contradicts his message a bit.[/QUOTE] In what way? What part of his message does this contradict?
[QUOTE=srobins;50857074]I love all the defense of Hillary where she isn't even mentioned. Sanders is rightfully defended from ridiculous media controversy? "But people would probably be mad at Hillary for this!!!", okay, what's your point? People will always take things too far and make unfair criticisms of candidates based on their existing bias. So what? Does that somehow invalidate the bad things the candidate does? Or does it make the candidate [I]actually being criticized[/I] worse somehow? No? Then shut up about it.[/QUOTE] It's kind of a tangent about FP's demographic but he isn't wrong and I think you inadvertently proved that in your last post, which makes me wonder why you are so mad at Hillary being mentioned when you brought her up a few minutes ago :v:
[QUOTE=shozamar;50857105]No but there's a difference between retaining some level of empathic credibility with people who earn barely anything and spending $600,000 on a summer home. There's a line to be drawn somewhere quite far before that.[/QUOTE] What does "maintaining empathetic credibility" mean? I'm failing to understand how he cannot be respected and appreciated by those in poverty by virtue of having a summer home, unless you think poor people immediately hate everybody who is wealthier than they are (not actually implying you do, just saying I don't see any reason poor people would have trouble connecting to his message knowing that he has a summer home).
[QUOTE=shozamar;50857105]No but there's a difference between retaining some level of empathic credibility with people who earn barely anything and spending $600,000 on a summer home. There's a line to be drawn somewhere quite far before that.[/QUOTE] So if you buy nice expensive things occasionally you have no "empathetic credibility" towards the poor?
[QUOTE=shozamar;50857105]No but there's a difference between retaining some level of empathic credibility with people who earn barely anything and spending $600,000 on a summer home. There's a line to be drawn somewhere quite far before that.[/QUOTE] Okay then lets get down to brass tacks here: Sanders is someone who didn't hold a "real" job before becoming a government employee and has collected a six figure check every year for doing exponentially less work than the lower and middle class people he champions. If this doesn't give you misgivings about his "raise taxes and expand goverment" message than I don't see why his wife selling their parents home to finance a house somewhere else would bother you that much.
[QUOTE=shozamar;50857046]The whole of Bernie's platform was based around the redistribution of wealth. Go into a ghetto and say "$600,000 only gets a modest home where I live" and see the reaction that gets, then maybe casually mention that it's for a "summer home". Bernie was trying to represent and earn the trust of those people. I think it'd be understandable for them to feel misled or betrayed. You're right to say that he can do what he likes with his money but wrong to expect him to command the same level of respect among the poor and underrepresented for spending in this way. Don't get me wrong, I still love his platform but I he's totally lost some of his gravitas in my eyes for this.[/QUOTE] That's dumb though. He makes $170k from his job that he was [I]elected[/I] to, and rather than helping income inequality in a much more effective way, as president (which people apparently were not open enough to) he's supposed to give away his money? What is the ghetto comparison supposed to accomplish? Is he supposed to give away his homes and be homeless because some people are homeless? He doesn't live like a king, he lives like a pretty well-off dude, which he is, and but he's not allowed to because it makes his concern less authentic? That's a ridiculous point of view.
[QUOTE=srobins;50857130]What does "maintaining empathetic credibility" mean? I'm failing to understand how he cannot be respected and appreciated by those in poverty by virtue of having a summer home, unless you think poor people immediately hate everybody who is wealthier than they are (not actually implying you do, just saying I don't see any reason poor people would have trouble connecting to his message knowing that he has a summer home).[/QUOTE] I'm not saying he can't be respected by them, I'm saying it's entirely understandable for them to lose some interest, bond or respect with him as a result of this. By empathic credibility I mean how reasonable it is for people to believe that he understands their struggle and will act in their interests.
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