Indiana Primary DEM/GOP - Cruz missiles self-destruct, Trump unstumpable and r/SandersForPresident h
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[QUOTE=plunger435;50252326]It's not, but you can easily lie by not saying things, his reasoning is flawed. Most likely case is like every single other campaign they don't want to waste time for either side.[/QUOTE]
Okay then, I don't get how that's really relevant to this discussion but whatever, I'll run with it. Sure a lie that isn't told would still be a lie technically, but if it's never told and was simply an idea in their head and wasn't shared with anyone else, does it really matter?
[QUOTE=theevilldeadII;50252447]Is trump the nominee now. ?[/QUOTE]
No, Kasich is still a thing.
[QUOTE=TornadoAP;50252457]Okay then, I don't get how that's really relevant to this discussion but whatever, I'll run with it. Sure a lie that isn't told would still be a lie technically, but if it's never told and was simply an idea in their head and wasn't shared with anyone else, does it really matter?[/QUOTE]
You've never heard of it before?
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie#Lying_by_omission[/url]
[QUOTE=plunger435;50252482]You've never heard of it before?
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie#Lying_by_omission[/url][/QUOTE]
Not forcing information on people != lying by omission.
Lying by omission would be something like "the household asked when and where the polling place was, and they refused to answer", or even "didn't tell them Bernie already dropped out (in a world where that was true)".
[QUOTE=gman003-main;50252512]Not forcing information on people != lying by omission.
Lying by omission would be something like "the household asked when and where the polling place was, and they refused to answer", or even "didn't tell them Bernie already dropped out (in a world where that was true)".[/QUOTE]
Like I said, obviously they aren't purposefully holding the information, anyone who believes that doesn't understand normal social interaction, they say they're voting for Clinton, obviously Sander's supporters aren't going to say, "Make sure to vote the 3rd!" because no campaign ever does that. But he didn't seem to believe it was a real thing none the less.
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;50252471]No, Kasich is still a thing.[/QUOTE]
he wont be soon
[QUOTE=postal;50252196]u will never give up will u[/QUOTE]
it may be desperation, but considering the choices we have, its genuinely the better option.
Sander's won motherfuckas. Yeah, at the very least he won my state, and that is what really counts to me. Like out of the few democrats here most of us like Bernie.
[QUOTE=Glitchman;50252356]So basically nothing has changed?[/QUOTE]
Cruz, the only other candidate besides Trump that currently qualified under rule 40b of the RNC to win the nomination at the convention, has dropped out for some reason unknown to me. He should have stayed in if you ask me. Also sanders won indiana which is fucking awesome
[QUOTE=Wii60;50253110][media]https://twitter.com/davidsirota/status/727646537040297984[/media][/QUOTE]
Clinton winning would have meant nothing. But Sanders winning by the margin he did also means nothing. He's so far behind that he needs to reach the magic number of votes in each remaining state - 65%, to win an overall majority of the pledged delegates.
I absolutely love how everyone went "Hillary IS going to win this state," and then when she didn't, no one gave a shit.
yea I don't get why he dropped out was he told by his donors to give everyone who is anti trump to go with kasich
Wait Cruz actually dropped out?
lmao
Now I'm just hoping for Trump to do the same.
Cruz dropping pretty much makes the nominee a clear road for Trump now, since its even more likely Trump will get the necessary delegates.
Hillary will very likely win, but Bernie is pushing to win influence at the convention so he can have influence over the party's agenda. If I was Hillary, eventually I'd make a few concessions for Bernie's people like 100% pushing a public option for Obamacare instead of just mentioning it as a possibility far in the future, and breaking up the big banks. Maybe push for a few of Bernie's bills like the infrastructure one. She should also look over her college plan again, because requiring students to work 10 hrs min a week for no debt is still pretty shitty, if not more so for many.
[QUOTE=sb27;50253228]Clinton winning would have meant nothing. But Sanders winning by the margin he did also means nothing. He's so far behind that he needs to reach the magic number of votes in each remaining state - 65%, to win an overall majority of the pledged delegates.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure what the calculation comes out to now, but he didn't get 65% of the delegates in Indiana either, so that 65% benchmark will be raised again.
whether bernie snags the nomination doesn't really matter. the big takeaway is that he's brought socialism back into mainstream American politics and re-introduced it to a new generation. that's a big deal. it'll probably end up being more consequential than this election.
[QUOTE=rrrepeater;50253989]whether bernie snags the nomination doesn't really matter. the big takeaway is that he's brought socialism back into mainstream American politics and re-introduced it to a new generation. that's a big deal. it'll probably end up being more consequential than this election.[/QUOTE]
What's consequential is he's running all the way to the convention, which means that he'll be able to present votes on the party platform. He'll be able to effectively co-opt aspects of the party platform and push for more progressive policies. It's totally realistic that he could push party policy to abandon superdelegates, shift away from large donors, be stronger against corporate lobbying, etc. He could be very, very influential on the future of the Democratic party, even though he won't win.
He knows he won't win unless California magically gives him 80%. It's statistically impossible. But he wants to change the democratic party platform, and contesting the convention is how he'll be able to present progressive policy changes to impact the future of the party.
[QUOTE=TornadoAP;50253250]I absolutely love how everyone went "Hillary IS going to win this state," and then when she didn't, no one gave a shit.[/QUOTE]
She was predicted to win the state by a small margin. It wouldn't have mattered ether way. Even with a win last night the math for Sanders just got worse.
I get the whole 65% thing, but winning by 5% is still a decently comfortable margin, even if in the long term it's not particularly helpful. Pretty impressed with Sanders today. At the very least this victory will energize his fundraising.
[QUOTE=mcharest;50254769]I get the whole 65% thing, but winning by 5% is still a decently comfortable margin, even if in the long term it's not particularly helpful. Pretty impressed with Sanders today. At the very least this victory will energize his fundraising.[/QUOTE]
If he's still fundraising, that's a serious ethical concern. To continue to accept money from people who've deluded themselves into thinking he still has a chance.
[QUOTE=sb27;50254814]If he's still fundraising, that's a serious ethical concern. To continue to accept money from people who've deluded themselves into thinking he still has a chance.[/QUOTE]
This is such a silly thing to worry about and I don't know why people keep saying it. If people want to donate their money to a cause, then they will.
[QUOTE=sb27;50254814]If he's still fundraising, that's a serious ethical concern. To continue to accept money from people who've deluded themselves into thinking he still has a chance.[/QUOTE]
If he's actually using that money towards fundraising and furthering his political agenda, what's the concern? He said from the start that he's taking it to the convention, you kinda have to assume that grown-ups can make grown-up decisions with their money.
[QUOTE=sb27;50254814]If he's still fundraising, that's a serious ethical concern. To continue to accept money from people who've deluded themselves into thinking he still has a chance.[/QUOTE]
No more ethically bankrupt than Clinton keeping all the money that was supposed to go to the state Democratic parties. At least this way people know they're donating to a candidate who supports their line item policy preferences.
I don't really think it has anything to do with being deluded- most Sanders supporters recognize the slim odds, but they want to keep Bernie's campaign afloat long enough that he can walk into the convention with dignity, and in turn an advantage in backroom policy negotiations.
[QUOTE=sb27;50254814]If he's still fundraising, that's a serious ethical concern. To continue to accept money from people who've deluded themselves into thinking he still has a chance.[/QUOTE]
It's only not-ethical once he's been mathematically eliminated, which hasn't occurred yet.
[QUOTE=mcharest;50256160]No more ethically bankrupt than Clinton keeping all the money that was supposed to go to the state Democratic parties. At least this way people know they're donating to a candidate who supports their line item policy preferences.
I don't really think it has anything to do with being deluded- most Sanders supporters recognize the slim odds, but they want to keep Bernie's campaign afloat long enough that he can walk into the convention with dignity, and in turn an advantage in backroom policy negotiations.[/QUOTE]
As much fun as it is to joke about the ridiculous lengths some folks will go to in order to try and rationalize how Bernie is somehow going to win, I can't really fault them. He's an historic candidate who is openly pushing ideologies way ahead of their time in the US. Even though he fell well short of the presidency, it's pretty incredible that he resonated as strongly as he did with voters. I was shocked at how big of a splash he made during this election cycle. It's difficult not to be impressed, and it's easy to understand why people are having difficulty accepting that it's essentially over for him.
The good news is, if we learned one thing from this campaign cycle, it's that socialist policies regarding education and healthcare [I]are[/I] strongly resonating with voters, and we are likely to see further pushes towards that end in the relatively near future.
eyye I voted
the places in my city were getting an average of 20 and 33 voters/hour respectively. Fucking sad.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;50256498]As much fun as it is to joke about the ridiculous lengths some folks will go to in order to try and rationalize how Bernie is somehow going to win, I can't really fault them. He's an historic candidate who is openly pushing ideologies way ahead of their time in the US. Even though he fell well short of the presidency, it's pretty incredible that he resonated as strongly as he did with voters. I was shocked at how big of a splash he made during this election cycle. It's difficult not to be impressed, and it's easy to understand why people are having difficulty accepting that it's essentially over for him.
The good news is, if we learned one thing from this campaign cycle, it's that socialist policies regarding education and healthcare [I]are[/I] strongly resonating with voters, and we are likely to see further pushes towards that end in the relatively near future.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, and even then he's not done with politics, he'll still keep on trying to do his magic in the background.
"Psst, hey, friend, have you heard about socialism? It'll make you feel really good."
:v:
[QUOTE=.Isak.;50254698]What's consequential is he's running all the way to the convention, which means that he'll be able to present votes on the party platform. He'll be able to effectively co-opt aspects of the party platform and push for more progressive policies. It's totally realistic that he could push party policy to abandon superdelegates, shift away from large donors, be stronger against corporate lobbying, etc. He could be very, very influential on the future of the Democratic party, even though he won't win.
He knows he won't win unless California magically gives him 80%. It's statistically impossible. But he wants to change the democratic party platform, and contesting the convention is how he'll be able to present progressive policy changes to impact the future of the party.[/QUOTE]
This is the best thing Sanders could do if he cares about his cause. That, and he contributes in down elections. Grassroot movements and popular revolutions starts at the bottom, not at the very top. Not to mention, he'll be a pretty shit POTUS.
[QUOTE=migs42;50256848]This is the best thing Sanders could do if he cares about his cause. That, and he contributes in down elections. Grassroot movements and popular revolutions starts at the bottom, not at the very top. Not to mention, [b]he'll be a pretty shit POTUS.[/b][/QUOTE]
Now this alone devalues your entire post.
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