Bioware is working on a modified Mass Effect 3 ending - Polidicks

[QUOTE=rinoaff33;35239715]The lead writer for Mass Effect left after the second game. [url]http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2012/02/bioware-writer-retires/[/url][/QUOTE]And the ending, as well as the original point of the Reapers, left with him. [url]http://www.strategyinformer.com/news/17086/mass-effect-writer-drew-karpyshyn-reveals-original-mass-effect-3-endings[/url]

[QUOTE=rinoaff33;35239715]The lead writer for Mass Effect left after the second game. [url]http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2012/02/bioware-writer-retires/[/url][/QUOTE] That doesn't mean anything especially since Mac Walters was the writer for all three. [QUOTE=Pennywise;35239735]And the ending, as well as the original point of the Reapers, left with him. [url]http://www.strategyinformer.com/news/17086/mass-effect-writer-drew-karpyshyn-reveals-original-mass-effect-3-endings[/url][/QUOTE] I assume you didn't read this part. [quote]The original choice was between killing the Reapers and trying to find a way to stop the Dark Energy threat with what little time was left before it consumed the galaxy, or, "Sacrifice humanity, allowing them to be horrifically processed in hopes that the end result will justify the means." This still doesn't change the main sticking point of fans: all of the recruitment, all of the alliances, all of the sacrifices, were essentially moot because they essentially were inconsequential to the resolution. [/quote]

[QUOTE=rinoaff33;35239715]The lead writer for Mass Effect left after the second game. [url]http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2012/02/bioware-writer-retires/[/url][/QUOTE] “I’m proud of everything we accomplished,” he wrote, “and I know going forward that BioWare will continue to live up to its well-deserved reputation for making the best story driven games in the industry… I’m looking forward to experiencing the games as a fan rather than from the other side of the fence.” Haha, oh wow is he in for a surprise. I can just imagine his reaction to the ending. "What the fuck was that crap!?"

[QUOTE=5killer;35239748]That doesn't mean anything especially since Mac Walters was the writer for all three. I assume you didn't read this part.[/QUOTE] There was also disagreement among the writers, "allegedly". [url]http://www.gameranx.com/updates/id/5695/article/mass-effect-3-writer-allegedly-slams-controversial-ending/[/url]

[QUOTE=5killer;35239748]That doesn't mean anything especially since Mac Walters was the writer for all three. I assume you didn't read this part.[/QUOTE]Oh no, I totally did. A non-stupid reasoning behind the Reapers, an ending which was built up to through three games instead of crammed in at the last minute, and two very different choices which make or break the galaxy and do not copy/paste each other. Everything is pointless as it stands now because [i]all[/i] the shit gets fucked no matter what you do; while obviously the "Reaper" ending would play out similarly, the other one could have very easily trailed into a fully-fleshed-out epilogue scenario. No such thing with anything we have now.

[QUOTE=Sourcegamer8;35232532]This modified ending will add a fourth colour.[/QUOTE] I don't believe it won't add a forth colour, but will be PrIsMatIc~~~~!

[QUOTE]Calling criticism of Mass Effect 3's ending "incredibly painful," the co-founder of BioWare[/QUOTE] oh [b]abloobloobloobloo[/b]. What the fuck did you expect by creating such a vague and unalterable ending to a game that is based almost completely on the freedom of choice?

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;35232955]This is going way too far. There are fucktons of counter-arguments to the indoctrination theory and they all make more sense than the arguments for the theory.[/QUOTE] Please show your counter-arguments okay? Otherwise you're just saying stupid shit, there's a lot (and I mean A LOT) to prove the indoctrination theory, and some I bet you'd have a hard time disproving. [editline]21st March 2012[/editline] And what the fuck is the perfect ending where [sp]shep is alive[/sp], just gonna tell me that meant nothing?

[QUOTE=Clementine;35241931]Please show your counter-arguments okay? Otherwise you're just saying stupid shit, there's a lot (and I mean A LOT) to prove the indoctrination theory, and some I bet you'd have a hard time disproving. [editline]21st March 2012[/editline] And what the fuck is the perfect ending where [sp]shep is alive[/sp], just gonna tell me that meant nothing?[/QUOTE] The indoctrination theory is dumb because it's basically an "AND IT WAS ALL A DREAM!" type ending which are shit even on a good day.

[QUOTE=chunkymonkey;35241974]The indoctrination theory is dumb because it's basically an "AND IT WAS ALL A DREAM!" type ending which are shit even on a good day.[/QUOTE] Not when the entire series is based around indoctrination, as that's the reaper's most important power. [editline]21st March 2012[/editline] And not considering who you are, what you have been doing, and who you saw before you blacked out, ooo it just so turned out that you were in a place full of reaper tech and the most powerful reaper, totally stupid to think...maybe...you might be indoctrinated after the 3 games with involvement with reaper shit

[QUOTE=chunkymonkey;35241974]The indoctrination theory is dumb because it's basically an "AND IT WAS ALL A DREAM!" type ending which are shit even on a good day.[/QUOTE] Dream sequences are overused and often badly done, but that doesn't make them bad literary devices.

[QUOTE=chunkymonkey;35241974]The indoctrination theory is dumb because it's basically an "AND IT WAS ALL A DREAM!" type ending which are shit even on a good day.[/QUOTE] I think if they come up with some good free DLC that changes the ending, and use this as an excuse to change it then I'd be alright with it.

[QUOTE=Clementine;35242014]Not when the entire series is based around indoctrination, as that's the reaper's most important power. [editline]21st March 2012[/editline] And not considering who you are, what you have been doing, and who you saw before you blacked out, ooo it just so turned out that you were in a place full of reaper tech and the most powerful reaper, totally stupid to think...maybe...you might be indoctrinated after the 3 games with involvement with reaper shit[/QUOTE] Yes, I believe it is because to me at least it's just people grabbing at anything they can to explain away the pain. [editline]22nd March 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Sector 7;35242068]Dream sequences are overused and often badly done, but that doesn't make them bad literary devices.[/QUOTE] I have never seen a good one. [editline]22nd March 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=DiscoBiscut;35242073]I think if they come up with some good free DLC that changes the ending, and use this as an excuse to change it then I'd be alright with it.[/QUOTE] It'd have to be REALLY well done to accomplish that amazing feat and personally after this debacle I don't think they could pull it off.

[QUOTE=chunkymonkey;35242239] I have never seen a good one. [/QUOTE] alice in wonderland?

I would be willing to bet you guys that whoever gets stuck on "twitter duty" fucking hates it Wouldn't you if all you got slung at you was pure gamer-hate? v:v:v

[QUOTE=Jackald;35242464]The thing is it's pretty much the only way to explain all the plot-holes in an in-universe way without the use of retcon. There are more plot holes in the final 10 minutes of Mass Effect 3 than there are in the entire preceding 150 hours of gameplay.[/QUOTE] And honestly, the first game, in the series all about the reapers who are able to take over people's minds, to feature dreams, of which are nightmarish and definitely indicate some form of mental discomfort. None of the other games have dreams, did no one else think it could be foreshadowing, or bringing to light a new concept that they tried before, that they attempted to try in the ending to see how it pans out?

[QUOTE=thisispain;35242339]alice in wonderland?[/QUOTE] Well shit, ya got me there. [editline]22nd March 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Jackald;35242464]The thing is it's pretty much the only way to explain all the plot-holes in an in-universe way without the use of retcon. There are more plot holes in the final 10 minutes of Mass Effect 3 than there are in the entire preceding 150 hours of gameplay.[/QUOTE] I'd take a retcon any day, but that's just me. If they can pull it off then fine, but like I said I don't think they can.

[QUOTE=Jackald;35242464]The thing is it's pretty much the only way to explain all the plot-holes in an in-universe way without the use of retcon. There are more plot holes in the final 10 minutes of Mass Effect 3 than there are in the entire preceding 150 hours of gameplay.[/QUOTE] There is another explaination, well excely 2 combined: EA's greedyness and BioWare's lazyness.

You know, the whole dream theory is nice and all but only if Bioware revealed it in the game. When you go this route you rarely end without showing the truth.

tbh they fucked it up:V THE END.

[QUOTE=Marden;35242870]You know, the whole dream theory is nice and all but only if Bioware revealed it in the game. When you go this route you rarely end without showing the truth.[/QUOTE] True. If the ending was indeed some indoctrination dream bullshit, Bioware fucked up by not telling us it was so.

Quoting for interesting point. [quote]atghunter wrote... I don't think Bioware is out of touch with their customers though I agree with an earlier poster that right now they are assessing their options. Nor do I think that everyone speaking up for them at the moment is a "yes man" or shill. That said: I don't for a moment think there are any other endings, this was a hallucination, etc. Bioware/EA is letting these speculations go on for two reasons. First, they are letting people vent. Secondly, they are weighing options. Years ago, I worked for a PR damage control team and everything right now is going by the book. First, re-affirm and ignore (also known as doubling down), then try and define the detractors in the mainstream with things like "this is all a big mistunderstand", etc. while remaining civil in the hopes the detractors go rabid. Meanwhile go dark and use countermeasures through third part sources to prop up your position and brand the outcry as driven by hacks, haters or a minority trying to wear out the detractors on these outlets or "shock troops" while protecting the corporate core. Next, offer something distracting (notice SWTOR is free this upcoming weekend) known as the "faux olive branch"/ask the angry people to explain their concerns (without agreeing to commit to a compromise), buy more add time (definitely going on right now), and hope it dies down. If the pressure is still on, determine the economic viability of 1) ignoring the outcry and banking on the fickle nature of consumers to get over it or 2) determining if we can make money off of fixing it. If it is any consolation, the decision whether or not there is a fix DLC, etc, won't be made by the writers so illusions to things they wanted to convey don't matter much atm (to wit: the leads comments yesterday). I suspect he's been called in and politely told by the PR guys to not do that again. This is now a corporate problem, not an artistic struggle with fans. Somewhere in the EA bunker, attorneys, PR guys, writers and brass are sharing numbers b/c in the end this will come down to hard currency. As one who despises the endings, I'm hoping the suits tell the visionaries that the customers are loud enough and numerous enough to swallow their pride and get them out of this storm. For those that love them, I readily accept your position and respectfully disagree.[/quote] [url]http://social.bioware.com/forum/Mass-Effect-3/Mass-Effect-3-Story-and-Campaign-Discussion-Spoilers-Allowed/EABioware-in-Full-PR-Damage-Control-Mode-UPDATED-32212-157-PM-UTCGMT--4-hours-10084349-1.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Atlascore;35232557]Fallout 3's ending wasn't anywhere near as bad as ME3's, the only reason most people disliked it was because you couldn't play past the ending like in any every Bethesda game.[/QUOTE] What the fuck are you talking about? The only Bethesda game that let you play past the ending was Oblivion. All other TES games ended with the main quest's completion.

[QUOTE=chunkymonkey;35241974]The indoctrination theory is dumb because it's basically an "AND IT WAS ALL A DREAM!" type ending which are shit even on a good day.[/QUOTE] It certainly gives Bioware the benefit of the doubt, but the little bit where [sp]Shepard breathes in at the end certainly looks like he was on Earth[/sp]; considering how the Reapers enjoy controlling peoples' minds, the ending could easily have been a dream. If this does turn out to be true, it would be one of the better "and it was all a dream" endings I've ever seen if they do pull it off.

[QUOTE=xxncxx;35237639]my god its like avatards all over again [editline]21st March 2012[/editline] almost as bad as weaboos.[/QUOTE] ok first off, [img]http://facepunch.com/avatar/156087.png?garryis=awesome[/img] second off that isn't obsessing over anything, that's just being offput that a series they've put money and time into, and gotten hyped up for the conclusion for, ended on such a weak and shitty note that completely invalidated everything you'd done in the previous two games you're not a very bright individual

[QUOTE=xxncxx;35237741]really? its funny how most people hate those who obsess over something they dont like, but when you obsess over me3, its cool.[/QUOTE] getting upset isn't the same as obsessing RELEVANT [video=youtube;d-IzS7ZLcnQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-IzS7ZLcnQ[/video] [sp]it's all an act BTW[/sp]

[sp]Actually, its not just the ending, the story was in a mess to begin with. All because of the fucking kid. I mean, who thinks of having some kid as part of a fucking plot? Not to forget, those moments where I have to run around, chasing a fucking kid in a dream. Could had replaced that part with more important shit.[/sp]

[QUOTE=shian;35246039][sp]Actually, its not just the ending, the story was in a mess to begin with. All because of the fucking kid. I mean, who thinks of having some kid as part of a fucking plot? Not to forget, those moments where I have to run around, chasing a fucking kid in a dream. Could had replaced that part with more important shit.[/sp][/QUOTE] [sp]The kid is due to Shepard hallucinating due to being indoctrinated by the reapers or some shit[/sp]

[QUOTE=J!NX;35245607]getting upset isn't the same as obsessing RELEVANT [video=youtube;d-IzS7ZLcnQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-IzS7ZLcnQ[/video] [sp]it's all an act BTW[/sp][/QUOTE] I never really enjoyed Francis. But I found this rather hilarious.

[QUOTE=Itachi_Crow;35245006]ok first off, [img]http://facepunch.com/avatar/156087.png?garryis=awesome[/img] second off that isn't obsessing over anything, that's just being offput that a series they've put money and time into, and gotten hyped up for the conclusion for, ended on such a weak and shitty note that completely invalidated everything you'd done in the previous two games you're not a very bright individual[/QUOTE] Oh man you used someone's avatar as a punch in a disagreement. Aren't you proud of yourself? You know, its fine that people are upset that there was a weak ending to something. There have been tons of movies, games, and books that ended with down right terrible endings but are those people going around demanding their money back and raising money and insulting people the creators? No, they deal with it. And that's what every ME fan should do. Its ridiculous that people are acting like ME3's ending is the equivalent of losing a loved one to a homicidal criminal. I seriously doubt any of you all will even give a shit about ME in the next 10 years or so. Just move on, it's a fucking game. Embrace the hundreds of hours you had fun with in this game and stop acting like none of that matters anymore all because of a 10 minute cutscene. Jesus Christ. It's pathetic seeing people acting like this.