Bioware is working on a modified Mass Effect 3 ending

[Sharkle_Bunwich]

I'd rather have the actual links of them saying it, whether it be from their blog or from an interview with them. I could take a few pics of something and put words on them and say a person said it.

[Itachi_Crow]

[QUOTE=xxncxx;35249208]didnt promise anything, but now im leaving. good comedy show guys, keep making tools of yourselves[/QUOTE]

for the record this dude just sent me the source of his avatar without prompting, its a girly boy catperson hentai picture

just throwing that one out there

[Sharkle_Bunwich]

[QUOTE=deathstarboot;35249219]You're dense as a rock. Look up the source for yourself, the proof is out there. Those quotes have been around for a while and if you follow bioware or what Casey Hudson has been saying, you'd know that. If you want to white-knight, go ahead, nobody fucking cares, but people still have legitimate reasons to be angry when something is said and what's actually done is another.[/QUOTE]

I don't understand why people do this. You tell us to go find the quotes ourselves but you're the ones making the argument without providing any support to it. And then instead of doing so, you insult. Good job.

[chunkymonkey]

[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;35249226]I'd rather have the actual links of them saying it, whether it be from their blog or from an interview with them. I could take a few pics of something and put words on them and say a person said it.[/QUOTE]

Google the quotes then or is that too hard for you?

[Sharkle_Bunwich]

[QUOTE=Itachi_Crow;35249228]for the record this dude just sent me the source of his avatar without prompting, its a girly boy catperson hentai picture

just throwing that one out there[/QUOTE]

So? That apparently means he can't have standpoint?

[editline]22nd March 2012[/editline]

[QUOTE=chunkymonkey;35249266]Google the quote then or is that too hard for you?[/QUOTE]

Says the person making the argument in the first place. Seriously, if you're going to debate about something provide evidence. Don't be lazy and then tell me I'm lazy.

[Itachi_Crow]

his standpoint was awful and retarded in the first place so

yeah, exactly

[deathstarboot]

[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;35249259]I don't understand why people do this. You tell us to go find the quotes ourselves but you're the ones making the argument without providing any support to it. And then instead of doing so, you insult. Good job.[/QUOTE]

What argument do I need to make here? My job is not to convince you of anything, the proof is out there if you want to look for it yourself. I don't care whether you liked the game or not. My beef is with Bioware stating one thing, then doing another. Whether you believe they actually said anything or not, like I said, I don't care. Use google. The fact is Bioware mislead their fans, and that's not cool.

[chunkymonkey]

[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;35249271]
Says the person making the argument in the first place. Seriously, if you're going to debate about something provide evidence. Don't be lazy and then tell me I'm lazy.[/QUOTE]

I provided my evidence, now how about you do some work and verify it if you care so damn much.

[editline]22nd March 2012[/editline]

[QUOTE=Itachi_Crow;35249328]his standpoint was awful and retarded in the first place so

yeah, exactly[/QUOTE]

Well his standpoint was just basic insults like calling us Avatards and weaboos. So I'm inclined to agree with this, that said I don't agree with the avatar shenanigans. It really doesn't matter imo.

[Kinglah Crab]

[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;35249271]So? That apparently means he can't have standpoint?[/QUOTE]

[IMG]http://facepunch.com/avatar/108328.png?garryis=awesome[/IMG]

i've noticed the trend of posters with catgirl avatars always backing eachother up

[deathstarboot]

[QUOTE=Kinglah Crab;35249461][IMG]http://facepunch.com/avatar/108328.png?garryis=awesome[/IMG]

i've noticed the trend of posters with catgirl avatars always backing eachother up[/QUOTE]

No need to get personal... that will solve a whole lot of nothing.

[Blooper Reel]

It's kind of funny how so far I've yet to actually see anyone come up with a proper argument over why the ME3 endings aren't bad and why the fans are apparently wrong, so far all I've seen these people do is insult people who didn't like the ending and constantly defy other people's responses if they get called out on their actions.

[chunkymonkey]

[QUOTE=Blooper Reel;35249544]It's kind of funny how so far I've yet to actually see anyone come up with a proper argument over why the ME3 endings aren't bad and why the fans are apparently wrong, so far all I've seen these people do is insult people who didn't like the ending and constantly defy other people's responses if they get called out on their actions.[/QUOTE]

Didn't you get the memo? We're all a bunch of QQ'n manbaby's who aren't allowed to complain.

[JesterUK]

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=467pmIX-oZo[/media]

R.I.P. the true hero of Mass Effect

[chunkymonkey]

[QUOTE=JesterUK;35250228][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=467pmIX-oZo[/media]

R.I.P. the true hero of Mass Effect[/QUOTE]

He will live on in our hearts.

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/tGqPY.png[/IMG]

[rinoaff33]

[QUOTE=thisispain;35242339]alice in wonderland?[/QUOTE]

Alice in Wonderland isn't a dream, it's an acid trip that results when imaginary numbers are created. The author was a mathematician.

[editline]22nd March 2012[/editline]

[QUOTE=T-Sonar.0;35249226]I'd rather have the actual links of them saying it, whether it be from their blog or from an interview with them. I could take a few pics of something and put words on them and say a person said it.[/QUOTE]

[url]http://pastebin.com/3jqwAH9T[/url]

Have fun.

[Gmod4ever]

Hey guys, just thought I would chip in here. I haven't played any of the Mass Effect games, but have been keeping tabs on this whole fiasco.

I decided that, since no one will find sources on those image quotes up above for those requesting, I'd do the research myself and see what I can find, to end the argument one way or another. This is the one I researched first (since it's the first image, it only makes sense).

[t]http://i.imgur.com/B0pMw.png[/t]
[b]Results[/b]
I was not able to find this quote word for word. I was, however, able to find [url=http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2011/04/28/casey-hudson-interview-mass-effect-3.aspx]an interview video with Casey Hudson[/url], where, at 3:30 in that video, he says, "All of these things come to a resolution in Mass Effect3. And they are resolved in a way that is very different, based on what you would do in the situation."

I was also able to find an interview between Casey Hudson and IGN about Mass Effect 2, and plans for the future, where Hudson says that their ending will "take all of the things you've done in Mass Effect 1 and Mass Effect 2 and then just let it go. Let it diverge into wildly different conclusions." However, this usage of "wildly different conclusions," as used in the quote in the image, has absolutely no mention of a "planned trilogy," (indeed, not even the word "planned" is used), which implies that, unless there is another interview with Casey where he uses the same exact wording, then that image's quote is [b]not[/b] word for word, and is spliced from at least one interview.

And interestingly, when I search the first part of the quote, "end of the planned trilogy" (the second Google link), I find a huge amount of references to that quote... but every single one of them is either a forum post, or a news post made after the fact and focusing on the explosion that ME3's ending has generated, and not a single one has any source provided. None of them. They're always sourced as simply "Casey Hudson," with absolutely no proof of the statement. I can not find a single game/news site that mentions this quote prior to ME3's release, and I can not find any interview or article to serve as an original source for this quote. The same is to be said when searching for a match of "the developers are not constrained."
[b]Google Attempts:[/b]
[url=https://www.google.com/search?q=casey+hudon+mass+effect+3+trilogy+end&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#q=casey+hudson+mass+effect+3+trilogy+end&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=FTC&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&prmd=imvnsuo&ei=NqprT5OQNoqeiQLbnaioBQ&start=0&sa=N&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=4592eda312cd495&biw=1280&bih=825]casey hudson mass effect 3 trilogy end[/url]
[url=https://www.google.com/search?q=casey+hudson+%22end+of+the+planned+trilogy%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a]casey hudson "end of the planned trilogy"[/url]
[url=https://www.google.com/search?q=casey+hudon+mass+effect+3+trilogy+end&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=vAX&rls=org.mozilla:en-US%3Aofficial&sclient=psy-ab&q=casey+hudson+%22wildly+different+conclusions%22&oq=casey+hudson+%22wildly+different+conclusions%22&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_l=serp.3...215592l220284l3l220483l35l31l2l0l0l0l183l2948l18j12l36l0.frgbld.&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=4592eda312cd495&biw=1280&bih=825]casey hudson "wildly different conclusions"[/url]
[url=https://www.google.com/search?q=casey+hudson+%22the+developers+are+not+constrained%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a]casey hudson "the developers are not restrained"[/url]

I'm not trying to argue one or the way other - like I said, I have never played a Mass Effect game, and have no opinion one way or another. I just read this thread and saw a lot of "the devs said these things" "why don't you provide me a source" "just google it yourself the evidence is right there."

Well guys, I just googled it. A lot. And I can't find that quote ANYWHERE. In fact, the quote looks to be made up, using a few catch phrases like "wildly different conclusions," from different interviews, and filled them in with text pulled out of air. What more, the only instances of this quote have been on forums and news posts, all of which were made [b]after[/b] Mass Effect's 3 release, and the explosion the ending generated.

Maybe before you guys just smugly say "just google it yourself," [b]you[/b] should actually google it. Because, if the people you tell to google actually decide to do it, it'd end up shooting yourself in the foot.

I can research the other quotes if you guys want me to. Agree for "please research the other quotes," disagree for "don't bother."

[b]tl;dr:[/b] I decide to take the advice of others in this thread to "just Google the quotes if you want a source," could not find source. I then scold people for using this, and advise that if they're going to not provide a source, then before they say "just Google it," they should Google it themselves, or else they might shoot themselves in the foot.

[Pennywisе]

Huh. Funny how those last two posts played out.

[rinoaff33]

[QUOTE=Gmod4ever;35251515]-research-[/QUOTE]

I remember hearing that Mass Effect was a planned trilogy as soon as the first one came out...*shrug*

[url]http://www.giantbomb.com/mass-effect/61-16909/[/url] says
[QUOTE]Mass Effect was always presented from the initial announcement as a planned trilogy, and the cliff-hanger ending of the first game made it quite clear that sequels were coming.[/QUOTE]

And here's a source that says that EA changed their minds about Mass Effect being just a trilogy during the production of ME2: [url]http://www.stuffwelike.com/2008/02/12/ea-talks-about-burnout-skate-mass-effect-2-and-next-nfs/[/url]
[QUOTE]Mass Effect was originally planned as a trilogy, so the sequel isn’t surprising either, but what is surprising is that EA doesn’t want to stop there. Gibeau said that Mass Effect “will be a franchise for [EA] for a very long time.”[/QUOTE]

[thisispain]

[QUOTE=rinoaff33;35251035]Alice in Wonderland isn't a dream, it's an acid trip that results when imaginary numbers are created. The author was a mathematician.
[/QUOTE]

have you read the book? it ends with alice waking up.

[Gmod4ever]

[QUOTE=rinoaff33;35251623]I remember hearing that Mass Effect was a planned trilogy as soon as the first one came out...*shrug*[/QUOTE]

I'm not straight-up saying the quote is real or not. I simply did some research, posted what I found, what I searched to get there, and then the conclusions I was able to make from the research.

The process was entirely transparent for a reason. If you can find anything to help argue for or against any of the points, please share. I'm just doing some of the research so others don't have to.

[rinoaff33]

I like how, in the Wikipedia article for Mass Effect, it only has this to say under "Reception":

[QUOTE]The Mass Effect series generally received critical as well as commercial acclaim. Its story, cast of characters, and RPG elements have been praised and the in depth storyline held in high regard. The series has been very much appreciated by fans worldwide, receiving many awards and nominations.[/QUOTE]

There are no sources. I'm tempted to add a [citation needed].

[20k]

[QUOTE=rinoaff33;35251825]I like how, in the Wikipedia article for Mass Effect, it only has this to say under "Reception":[/QUOTE]

[quote]The series has been very much appreciated by fans worldwide[/quote]

Now now, that's just lying

[swebonny]

[QUOTE=Icedshot;35251877]Now now, that's just lying[/QUOTE]

Notice the word "series". If you check out the Mass Effect 3 article, they have a few lines about complaints.

[chunkymonkey]

[QUOTE=Gmod4ever;35251515]Hey guys, just thought I would chip in here. I haven't played any of the Mass Effect games, but have been keeping tabs on this whole fiasco.

I decided that, since no one will find sources on those image quotes up above for those requesting, I'd do the research myself and see what I can find, to end the argument one way or another. This is the one I researched first (since it's the first image, it only makes sense).

[t]http://i.imgur.com/B0pMw.png[/t]
[b]Results[/b]
I was not able to find this quote word for word. I was, however, able to find [url=http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2011/04/28/casey-hudson-interview-mass-effect-3.aspx]an interview video with Casey Hudson[/url], where, at 3:30 in that video, he says, "All of these things come to a resolution in Mass Effect3. And they are resolved in a way that is very different, based on what you would do in the situation."

I was also able to find an interview between Casey Hudson and IGN about Mass Effect 2, and plans for the future, where Hudson says that their ending will "take all of the things you've done in Mass Effect 1 and Mass Effect 2 and then just let it go. Let it diverge into wildly different conclusions." However, this usage of "wildly different conclusions," as used in the quote in the image, has absolutely no mention of a "planned trilogy," (indeed, not even the word "planned" is used), which implies that, unless there is another interview with Casey where he uses the same exact wording, then that image's quote is [b]not[/b] word for word, and is spliced from at least one interview.

And interestingly, when I search the first part of the quote, "end of the planned trilogy" (the second Google link), I find a huge amount of references to that quote... but every single one of them is either a forum post, or a news post made after the fact and focusing on the explosion that ME3's ending has generated, and not a single one has any source provided. None of them. They're always sourced as simply "Casey Hudson," with absolutely no proof of the statement. I can not find a single game/news site that mentions this quote prior to ME3's release, and I can not find any interview or article to serve as an original source for this quote. The same is to be said when searching for a match of "the developers are not constrained."
[b]Google Attempts:[/b]
[url=https://www.google.com/search?q=casey+hudon+mass+effect+3+trilogy+end&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#q=casey+hudson+mass+effect+3+trilogy+end&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=FTC&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&prmd=imvnsuo&ei=NqprT5OQNoqeiQLbnaioBQ&start=0&sa=N&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=4592eda312cd495&biw=1280&bih=825]casey hudson mass effect 3 trilogy end[/url]
[url=https://www.google.com/search?q=casey+hudson+%22end+of+the+planned+trilogy%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a]casey hudson "end of the planned trilogy"[/url]
[url=https://www.google.com/search?q=casey+hudon+mass+effect+3+trilogy+end&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=vAX&rls=org.mozilla:en-US%3Aofficial&sclient=psy-ab&q=casey+hudson+%22wildly+different+conclusions%22&oq=casey+hudson+%22wildly+different+conclusions%22&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_l=serp.3...215592l220284l3l220483l35l31l2l0l0l0l183l2948l18j12l36l0.frgbld.&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=4592eda312cd495&biw=1280&bih=825]casey hudson "wildly different conclusions"[/url]
[url=https://www.google.com/search?q=casey+hudson+%22the+developers+are+not+constrained%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a]casey hudson "the developers are not restrained"[/url]

I'm not trying to argue one or the way other - like I said, I have never played a Mass Effect game, and have no opinion one way or another. I just read this thread and saw a lot of "the devs said these things" "why don't you provide me a source" "just google it yourself the evidence is right there."

Well guys, I just googled it. A lot. And I can't find that quote ANYWHERE. In fact, the quote looks to be made up, using a few catch phrases like "wildly different conclusions," from different interviews, and filled them in with text pulled out of air. What more, the only instances of this quote have been on forums and news posts, all of which were made [b]after[/b] Mass Effect's 3 release, and the explosion the ending generated.

Maybe before you guys just smugly say "just google it yourself," [b]you[/b] should actually google it. Because, if the people you tell to google actually decide to do it, it'd end up shooting yourself in the foot.

I can research the other quotes if you guys want me to. Agree for "please research the other quotes," disagree for "don't bother."

[b]tl;dr:[/b] I decide to take the advice of others in this thread to "just Google the quotes if you want a source," could not find source. I then scold people for using this, and advise that if they're going to not provide a source, then before they say "just Google it," they should Google it themselves, or else they might shoot themselves in the foot.[/QUOTE]

[url]http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10056886[/url]

[Gmod4ever]

[QUOTE=chunkymonkey;35252549][url]http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10056886[/url][/QUOTE]

Cool. A forum post.

What exactly was the point of that link? It doesn't have that quote in it. And I'm not going to click all of its links. If your intention is to counter my post with that post, which I would then assume would have the quote in it, then I would suggest you provide a direct link to the quote.

(I am searching for that exact quote, and am looking for it by first matching "planned trilogy," then "wildly different conclusions," and finally "developers are not restrained." That post doesn't even pass the "planned trilogy" search. It doesn't even pass Ctrl-F'ing for "planned ".)

[chunkymonkey]

[QUOTE=Gmod4ever;35252647]Cool. A forum post.

What exactly was the point of that link? It doesn't have that quote on it. And I'm not going to click all of its links. If your intention is to counter my post with that post, which I would then assume would have the quote in it, then I would suggest you provide a direct link to the quote.[/QUOTE]

It was a general link to a list of quotes with sources. If I was going to counter your post specifically I would have done so. And just because you found one quote that may be a bit suspect doesn't make the other ones false as well.

[editline]22nd March 2012[/editline]

It was related so I quoted you. Do you have a problem with that?

[Gmod4ever]

[QUOTE=chunkymonkey;35252697]It was a general link to a list of quotes with sources. If I was going to counter your post specifically I would have done so. And just because you found one quote that may be a bit suspect doesn't make the other ones false as well.

[editline]22nd March 2012[/editline]

It was related so I quoted you. Do you have a problem with that?[/QUOTE]

I do appreciate the fact it is sourced. The countering was an assumption, because you quoted the entirety of the research and then posted a link without explanation. Generally that's only done as a refutation. If you wanted to just be assisting in the research, then you probably should have said as much.

A link without accompanying text is generally assumed to be refutation, which, in this instance, it is not. Hence the question as to its point. I appreciate the sources, though.

I also agree that it does not disprove the other quotes. But note I wasn't trying to disprove the other quotes. I was focused on that one quote, which I think can be determined to be a fictional hybridization of other quotes (in your list, I see the contents of the target quote in three or four different quotes there.)

All I was arguing was that quote. Anything else you think I was going after was just that - what you think.

Not trying to call you out or anything. Just pointing it out.

[editline]23rd March 2012[/editline]

[QUOTE=Jackald;35252733]*Quotes*
"Let's see some sources on those quotes
*Link with collection of quotes*
"HAH! I'm not looking at those sources!"

I don't get what you're being so stubborn about. Yes, the exact quotes aren't in that link, but if you actually read them they have words to the same effect. Stop being a prick about it.[/QUOTE]

Read this post please. I addressed this, as well as reinforcing what the point of my original post was.

[Gmod4ever]

[QUOTE=Jackald;35252834]Ok, what exactly is your point. ChunkyMonkey was proving that Bioware promised things about the ending and then didn't deliver. You made the point that those quotes might not be accurate, but then Chunky provided more quotes proving his original point, this time sourced.

You just repeated yourself saying by saying "Well it's easy to make stuff up you know."

So, what, are you disagreeing with ChunkyMonkey's point that the endings weren't what Bioware promised?[/QUOTE]

No.

Once again.

I was not arguing whether or not Bioware lied or not. I don't care.

I was focused entirely on that quote itself, and its authenticity. Not the message of the quote. The quote itself. That particular arrangement of words, in that exact arrangement, said by that person. That is what I was focused on.

I have come to the conclusion that the quote is not real.

I am not trying to say whether or not the messages that quote is carrying are valid or not, or whether or not the messages were said. I am not focused on that.

I am focused on that particular quote in itself.

Just because it happens that the message that quote carries is valid, that does not make the quote itself valid. If I were to use, in a history essay, the following:

[quote]"I am going to totally go and end slavery n shit in the USA guys" - Abraham Lincoln[/quote]

Then that is a false quote. Does it matter that Abarham Lincoln ended up doing that? No. That quote is still false.

That is what I was focused on.

[chunkymonkey]

[QUOTE=Jackald;35252834]Ok, what exactly is your point. ChunkyMonkey was proving that Bioware promised things about the ending and then didn't deliver. You made the point that those quotes might not be accurate, but then Chunky provided more quotes proving his original point, this time sourced.

You just repeated yourself saying by saying "Well it's easy to make stuff up you know."

So, what, are you disagreeing with ChunkyMonkey's point that the endings weren't what Bioware promised?[/QUOTE]

No, what he's arguing is that at least one of the quotes I originally provided may not actually exist. Of course I never claimed it was true and told people to verify it if they didn't trust it. I can concede if those quotes aren't 100% accurate.

He has shown that the quote he singled out may not be one quote but a few spliced together and I'm fine with that.

But regardless, yes, my main point was that BioWare promised shit and then didn't deliver which is definitely backed up by the link I just posted.

[KingPariah]

Christ jesus, finally. That ending was unacceptable.