• Scientists glimpse universe before the Big Bang
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[QUOTE=Fourm Shark;26512693]No. See, the universe ends when everything is sucked into black holes. Then, the black holes collide. When the last to massive ones collide, they explode and release massive amounts of energy and matter. Starting a new universe. We are just lucky we exist.[/QUOTE] If only all scientists could explain things this easy. Makes me think of what happens when you put the blue portal through a orange portal.
[QUOTE=Fourm Shark;26512693]No. See, the universe ends when everything is sucked into black holes. Then, the black holes collide. When the last to massive ones collide, they explode and release massive amounts of energy and matter. Starting a new universe. We are just lucky we exist.[/QUOTE] That would put life into a infinite loop and well everything else in the universe because a new one isn't really create but the same one starts over. Of course what I said is just theory based on that theory though it would suck because I would have been typing this for god knows how many times and I wouldn't even be aware of it. So I sure hope that the universe does not end by being sucked into black holes only to recreate its self. In other news I really hate theory's as well. As in there is no know answer for anything at the moment its all theory's no matter what.
[QUOTE=DELL;26521879]That would put life into a infinite loop and well everything else in the universe because a new one isn't really create but the same one starts over. Of course what I said is just theory based on that theory though it would suck because I would have been typing this for god knows how many times and I wouldn't even be aware of it. So I sure hope that the universe does not end by being sucked into black holes only to recreate its self. In other news I really hate theory's as well. As in there is no know answer for anything at the moment its all theory's no matter what.[/QUOTE] Not really, no. You did not understand.
So now what?
Inb4 creationists. On a serious note, I don't understand this stuff that well but interesting stuff nonetheless.
Wait, where does god come in?! :smug:
Its weird reading an article with my first name in it. [sp]Aeon[/sp]
[QUOTE=Void Skull;26526458]Its weird reading an article with my first name in it. [sp]Aeon[/sp][/QUOTE] That's one fuckawesome name.
how cAN TIME NOT EXIST
[QUOTE=BlazeFresh;26526960]how cAN TIME NOT EXIST[/QUOTE] Avatar fits.
[quote]The usual way to explain it was by analogy; this was how the idea was introduced to you as a child. Imagine you were travelling through space and you came to this planet which was very big and almost perfectly smooth and on which there lived creatures who were composed of one layer of atoms; in effect, two-dimensional. These creatures would be born, live and die like us and they might well possess genuine intelligence. They would, initially, have no idea or grasp of the third dimension, but they would be able to live perfectly well in their two dimensions. To them, a line would be like a wall across their world (or, from the end, it would look like a point). An unbroken circle would be like a locked room. Perhaps, if they were able to build machines which allowed them to journey at great speed along the surface of their planet - which to them would be their universe - they would go right round the planet and come back to where they had started from. More likely, they would be able to work this out from theory. Either way, they would realise that their universe was both closed, and curved, and that there was, in fact, a third dimension, even if they had no practical access to it. Being familiar with the idea of circles, they would probably christen the shape of their universe a 'hypercircle' rather than inventing a new word. The three-dimensional people would, of course, call it a sphere. The situation was similar for people living in three dimensions. At some point in any civilisation starting to become advanced it was realised that if you set off into space in what appeared to be a perfectly straight line, eventually you would arrive back at where you started, because your three-dimensional universe was really a four-dimensional shape; being familiar with the idea of spheres, people tended to christen this shape a hypersphere. Usually around the same point in a society's development it was understood that - unlike the planet where the two-dimensional creatures lived - space was not simply curved into a hypersphere, it was also expanding; gradually increasing in size like a soap-bubble on the end of a straw which somebody was blowing into. To a four-dimensional being looking from far enough away, the three-dimensional galaxies would look like tiny designs imprinted onto the surface of that expanding bubble, each of them, generally, heading away from all the others because of the hypersphere's general expansion, but - like the shifting whorls and loops of colour visible on the skin of a soap bubble - able to slide and move around on that surface. Of course, the four-dimensional hypersphere had no equivalent of the straw, blowing air in from outside. The hypersphere was expanding all by itself, like a four-dimensional explosion, with the implication that, once, it had been simply a point; a tiny seed which had indeed exploded. That detonation had created - or at least had produced - matter and energy, time and the physical laws themselves. Later - cooling, coalescing and changing over immense amounts of time and expansion - it had given rise to the cool, ordered, three-dimensional universe which people could see around them. Eventually in the progress of a technologically advanced society, occasionally after some sort of limited access to hyperspace, more usually after theoretical work, it was realised that the soap bubble was not alone. The expanding universe lay inside a larger one, which in turn was entirely enclosed by a bubble of space-time with a still greater diameter. The same applied within the universe you happened to find yourself on/in; there were smaller, younger universes inside it, nested within like layers of paper round a much-wrapped spherical present. In the very centre of all the concentric, inflating universes lay the place they had each originated from, where every now and again a cosmic fireball blinked into existence, detonating once more to produce another universe, its successive outpourings of creation like the explosions of some vast combustion engine, and the universes its pulsing exhaust. There was more; complications in seven dimensions and beyond that involved a giant torus on which the 3-D universe could be described as a circle, contained and containing other nested tori, with further implications of whole populations of such meta-Realities... but the implications of multiple, concentric, sequential universes was generally considered enough to be going on with for the moment.[/quote] A snippet from the Iain M Banks novel, Excession. This reminded me of it. :3:
[QUOTE=Redcow17;26498284]Man that's confusing. How does something happen if time is not there.[/QUOTE] Time isn't exactly real you know. It's a measurement like distance only it's a measurement of moment a to moment b. It's not like there's a galactic grandfather clock in the universe somewhere.
what am i reading
ohoho it's late because they're looking into the past
1) All matter eventually turns/gets sucked into black holes. 2) Black holes evaporate eventually, dissipating to matter. (Affecting the Cosmic Microwave Background Radiaton) 3) All matter in the universe eventually becomes the same, no entropy. 4) ??? 5) Another Aeon/Big bang/Universe. tada
I KNOW WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE BEFORE THE BIG BANG AND I KNOW IT BETTER THAN THEM [img]https://dl.dropbox.com/u/9623815/SPACE.png[/img]
"Are you familiar with the Cosmic Microwave Background radiation?" "Noise left over from the big bang..." "A long time ago the ancients made a discovery, they found evidence of a structure, buried deep within the background radiation. They believed that at one time this structure had genuine complexity, coherence. Therefore could not have occurred naturally" Reading the OP. My mind just played this scene back from SGU S02E07. Interesting to think though that we can gleam at what the pre-universe state of affairs might have looked like through study of residual CMB. Sounds more practical, relatively speaking, than trying to simulate a Big Bang or it's conditions. But I'm no scientist, I'm sure both have equal merit in this area of study.
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