Brazil’s lower house of congress votes to impeach President Dilma Rousseff
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[QUOTE=jp_rsardeto;50154377]How is the average people making a difference when only congressmen voted to it?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=jp_rsardeto;50154823]They never managed to progress with any impeachment because there was no popular support. [/QUOTE]
Nice.
[editline]18th April 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=jp_rsardeto;50155083]And I do see a lot of people saying that the corruption is going to be cleared from now on and the people can take down politicians "one by one", which clearly ain't gonna happen.[/QUOTE]
So what, just take it up the ass? That's a great suggestion!
[QUOTE=Ragekipz;50155684]He's the one who brought FHC buying votes in this. It has no bearing on the topic. It's useless pointing out the scandals of the previous administrations. They don't do away with our current situation, they don't acquitted or condemn Dilma.
I was ironising his choice of argument.[/QUOTE]
I was pointing out how undemocratic previous administrations were. Mostly to illustrate how much more valid previous impeachment processes were. Didn't mean to imply you supported them.
Also, I gave a pretty solid source, it's pretty dumb to immediately assume it's worthless.
I was expecting someome to pull a budd dwyer
what is wrong with me
[QUOTE=Vaegir Guard;50156580]I was expecting someome to pull a budd dwyer
what is wrong with me[/QUOTE]
Honestly with Dilma writing the most depressive "good-bye" tweets, her side trying so bad to make her not seem like the bad guy and everyone destroying her. She probably would.
[QUOTE=JohnnyOnFlame;50155696]Nice.[/quote]
People didn't vote for the impeachment. People went to the streets both against it and in favor of it. Media decided to show only people in favor of it, making it look like most people wanted it. What's nice?
[QUOTE=JohnnyOnFlame;50155696]So what, just take it up the ass? That's a great suggestion![/QUOTE]
That's exactly what's going to happen. Media will omit their crimes. Cunha is almost getting amnesty in exchange of the impeachment process. They are going to be untouchable and we are all going to precisely take it up the ass.
[QUOTE=Ragekipz;50154624]That's funny considering that PT has tried to impeach every single president since 1988 constitution and has filed no less than 50 impeachment processes. Why couldn't they get over all those election results?[/QUOTE]
why is it all the arguments in this whole ordeal can be boiled down to 'but mom, he/she did it first'
[QUOTE=jp_rsardeto;50157941]People didn't vote for the impeachment. People went to the streets both against it and in favor of it. Media decided to show only people in favor of it, making it look like most people wanted it. What's nice?
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Where did you get that from ?
So does she deserve it or not? I'm getting a "yes but it won't fix anything" vibe from you guys.
[QUOTE=patq911;50158309]So does she deserve it or not? I'm getting a "yes but it won't fix anything" vibe from you guys.[/QUOTE]
It is hard to say tbh, I see people saying it is legitimate because she went against laws for some of her actions, but, also, a relevant amount of people also say it is not a case impeachment applies.
I can't really say if it is legitimate or not, not even if she deserves it, but I'm sure impeaching her will change nothing. I rather have people focused on corruption of Petrobras instead of this imo, it feels kinda pointless for now.
[QUOTE=patq911;50158309]So does she deserve it or not? I'm getting a "yes but it won't fix anything" vibe from you guys.[/QUOTE]
The most middle ground answer you'll get is that she deserved it (which I disagree with), but that it was for all the wrong reasons and came from all the wrong people
Case in point: Bolsonaro, a pro-impeachment congressman, dedicated his 'yes' vote to a dictatorship-era colonel, later officially recognized as a torturer, and to the notoriously corrupt president of the chamber of deputies. This shitshow wasn't about justice, it was about fulfilling personal vendettas and gaining political power.
[QUOTE=patq911;50158309]So does she deserve it or not? I'm getting a "yes but it won't fix anything" vibe from you guys.[/QUOTE]
It's a necessary step towards breaking down their structure of support and bringing the whole house crashing down, I'm optimistic that PT won't be the only ones catching flak when all of this is done for.
[QUOTE=jp_rsardeto;50157941]People didn't vote for the impeachment. People went to the streets both against it and in favor of it. Media decided to show only people in favor of it, making it look like most people wanted it. What's nice?[/QUOTE]
You claimed that the average people makes no difference and then claimed that they never managed to progress due to the lack of popular support. Regardless of direct voting or not, that's a contradiction.
Anyways, the 'media' is an ethereal monolith I can't point fingers at, what outlet are we talking about? I haven't watched the news as much as I have read it online, but from what I watched catching dinner with the family Globo did broadcast both the accusation and the defense quite a bunch, also I've seen recordings of both sides of the protest.
[QUOTE=jp_rsardeto;50157941]That's exactly what's going to happen. Media will omit their crimes. Cunha is almost getting amnesty in exchange of the impeachment process. They are going to be untouchable and we are all going to precisely take it up the ass.[/QUOTE]
Very rich of you to come here claiming crimes not yet put on trial while screaming that Dilma wasn't found of guilty of anything yet, you seriously don't see anything wrong with this at all?
Before you come jumping the shark here, I don't think he's innocent at all and for all I care he can go fuck himself too.
[QUOTE=JohnnyOnFlame;50161628]Anyways, the 'media' is an ethereal monolith I can't point fingers at, what outlet are we talking about? I haven't watched the news as much as I have read it online, but from what I watched catching dinner with the family Globo did broadcast both the accusation and the defense quite a bunch, also I've seen recordings of both sides of the protest.[/QUOTE]
Of course, this is only one example, but I was under the impression Veja was one of the (if not [I]the[/I]) best selling magazines in the country
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;50162250]Of course, this is only one example, but I was under the impression Veja was one of the (if not [I]the[/I]) best selling magazines in the country[/QUOTE]
Any publication has its biases, knowing your publication and keeping these biases in mind while digesting it is a big part of being informed. But still, Veja is big but is not the only publication available out there.
[QUOTE=JohnnyOnFlame;50163400]Any publication has its biases, knowing your publication and keeping these biases in mind while digesting it is a big part of being informed. But still, Veja is big but is not the only publication available out there.[/QUOTE]
It's not the only one but it's worthy of more consideration when its figures are this high
[quote]1º. Veja – média de 1.098.642 exemplares por semana
2º. Época – 417.798
3º. IstoÉ – 344.273
4º. Caras – 279.458
5º. Viva Mais – 167.723
6º. Ana Maria – 167.419
7º. Contigo – 139.115
8º. Tititi – 122.601
9º. Minha novela – 98.859
10º. Malu – 93.982[/quote]
[url]http://lista10.org/diversos/as-10-revistas-semanais-mais-vendidas-do-brasil/[/url]
It eclipses the second best sold magazine by [I]more than double[/i] the amount of sales. That's not just another publication. That's a [I]big fucking number[/I].
Of course they all have a bias. But no other publication as massive as Veja has such clear, unrestrained far-right rhetoric. You keep these biases in mind? Good. Can you say the same for most of Veja's readers?
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