Veteran Wraps Baby in American Flag, Photo Sparks Controversy - Polidicks

[QUOTE=proch;47316918]It represents so much that it's impossible to genuinely feel empathetic too. [/QUOTE] To you, perhaps. Some people feel differently. Some people genuinely identify with the flag and view it as a powerful symbol, which shouldn't be surprising considering the way the damn thing is waved around in any vaguely patriotic context. Why is 'I don't feel this way, therefore nobody else can feel this way' par for the course on this forum? Nobody's asking you to agree with it.

I'd bet the some of the people who would be offended at this are the same people who eat off of American flag patterned plates and wear American flag shirts, which they sweat in profusely.

[QUOTE=catbarf;47316780]A flag's a symbol. People give it meaning beyond a piece of cloth. Congratulations on not having that sort of investment in the most prominent symbol of your nationality but not everyone thinks the same way. [/QUOTE] "I gotta tell you, folks, I don't get all choked up about yellow ribbons and American flags. I consider them to be symbols and I leave symbols to the symbol minded." - George Carlin

that moment when shit my LPO says spills over into FP and other news feeds.

Why would anyone give a fuck especially since it's a veteran, if anyone should have a right to do this it's them.

[QUOTE=catbarf;47316780]A flag's a symbol. People give it meaning beyond a piece of cloth. Congratulations on not having that sort of investment in the most prominent symbol of your nationality but not everyone thinks the same way. flag pattern != the flag itself It's dumb for people to get upset over this but it's really not hard to understand that people consider the flag to be a symbol and so treat it differently from a piece of cloth, especially if you're trying to make a statement by using the flag instead of an ordinary piece of cloth.[/QUOTE] I guess it's cool to risk your life for the political power play and oil lust of your government, but when you want to make a statement to say you're fighting for your flag and family, it's a heinous crime. Those people need to grow up.

What asshole would find this offensive? How is it desecrating the flag? It's a touching, powerful photo showing what the servicemen and women of the United States are fighting for, only the dumbest of flag-thumping assholes could possibly get offended at it.

[QUOTE=catbarf;47316780]A flag's a symbol. People give it meaning beyond a piece of cloth. Congratulations on not having that sort of investment in the most prominent symbol of your nationality but not everyone thinks the same way. flag pattern != the flag itself It's dumb for people to get upset over this but it's really not hard to understand that people consider the flag to be a symbol and so treat it differently from a piece of cloth, especially if you're trying to make a statement by using the flag instead of an ordinary piece of cloth.[/QUOTE] You can't define it as a symbol and then take its misuse as "just a pattern". Is the pattern not the symbol? Is the flag a flag or is it a symbol on a flag?

I did High School English.. I can decipher the meaning of the image. [I]"The soldier is fighting so that those of tomorrow have a flag to be held in."[/I]

On Australia day everyone ties the flag around their neck and run around like they're capes.

She should make another picture, with the kid wrapped up in a bed of american flags

[url=http://img.pandawhale.com/48157-eagle-American-flag-erection-g-NDRV.gif]i've got something for them to be offended about[/url] (nsfw)

[QUOTE=catbarf;47316780]A flag's a symbol. People give it meaning beyond a piece of cloth. Congratulations on not having that sort of investment in the most prominent symbol of your nationality but not everyone thinks the same way. flag pattern != the flag itself It's dumb for people to get upset over this but it's really not hard to understand that people consider the flag to be a symbol and so treat it differently from a [B]piece of cloth, [/B]especially if you're trying to make a statement by using the flag instead of an ordinary [B]piece of cloth[/B].[/QUOTE] [t]http://s3.amazonaws.com/assets.prod.vetstreet.com/57/f0/da1972444d6cb416e44fef4029d9/flickr%20via%20rick%20scully.jpg[/t][t]http://www.chicagonow.com/cheaper-than-therapy/files/2013/06/17-american-flag-speedo-0710-lg-8636817.jpeg[/t] So what you're saying, is that the american flag is not made my cloth, but by freedomentium? because a flag is an ordinary piece of cloth and that's it. the symbolism on your crotch is real and your truck is real real talk though, it's a cloth and that's it, sure it represents something, but people act as if burning a flag is the same as literally killing americans people get so unbelievably pent up about a stupid symbol that it's insane

Really I just think it's about context, wrapping a baby in an American flag really isn't the same as burning flags right in the faces of the National Guard as they went into Ferguson. Yeah, stuff like flag panties kind of cheapens it but I don't see it as anything to seriously get worked up about.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;47318115]You can't define it as a symbol and then take its misuse as "just a pattern". Is the pattern not the symbol? Is the flag a flag or is it a symbol on a flag?[/QUOTE] Both the pattern and the fact that it's a flag. You don't pledge allegiance to someone's shirt or a painting of a flag, it's specifically a physical American flag that gets this kind of respect from a lot of Americans. Burning a photograph of a cross and burning an actual cross on someone's front lawn have pretty different symbolism, don't they? For what its worth a lot of people think draping yourself in the flag is tacky and can be offensive depending on how it's used. I don't even believe this myself but I think it's asinine to blithely repeat the 'it's just cloth, who cares' line when there are clearly people who care and have clear reasons for doing so, and how things like flag burning are commonly known political expressions that implicitly give the flag greater symbolic context than just burning a piece of cloth.

[QUOTE=catbarf;47317457]To you, perhaps. Some people feel differently. Some people genuinely identify with the flag and view it as a powerful symbol, which shouldn't be surprising considering the way the damn thing is waved around in any vaguely patriotic context. Why is 'I don't feel this way, therefore nobody else can feel this way' par for the course on this forum? Nobody's asking you to agree with it.[/QUOTE] People can't help but point how how silly this bullshit is when you've got MURICANS threatening patriots and non-patriots alike over not standing for the pledge or taking artistic photos. The MURICANS are the ones that need to tone down the hostilities.

[QUOTE=MR-X;47316688]both of them served[/quotE] holy shit we have baby soldiers now?

I don't find the photo offensive but it does make you look like a moto boot when you take stupid pictures with the flag and they're always cringeworthy.

Why can't people be proud of their country anymore? Cops were called to my house for flying the stars and stripes, and the cops just said to keep it flying.

[QUOTE=Toy_Soldier;47316613]It's become an unfortunate trend for people to become offended at trivial shit.[/QUOTE] it makes me want to offend them even more

[QUOTE=brandonsh;47316605]I don't get why America's flag is seen as so sacred. You could take a steaming dump on a Union Jack and nobody would care.[/QUOTE] brazil is even worse, its actually a crime to do anything "dishonorable" with the flag on brazil, which is why sometimes protesters take advantage of this and cover themselves with the flag :v: even bikinis with the brazilian flag on it are forbidden.

rofl she and her husband serve their country, they have every right to honor their flag any way they choose. only armchair generals and uptight people would seriously complain about this

[QUOTE=goldenbuttocks;47319645]rofl she and her husband serve their country, they have every right to honor their flag any way they choose. only armchair generals and uptight people would seriously complain about this[/QUOTE] Being in the service doesn't mean you should do stupid shit with the flag, if anything it makes it worse. You expect civilians to do dumb shit with the flag more than servicrmembers.

[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;47319900]Being in the service doesn't mean you should do stupid shit with the flag, if anything it makes it worse. You expect civilians to do dumb shit with the flag more than servicrmembers.[/QUOTE] I disagree. Putting your life on the line for your country gives you the right to wipe your ass with the flag if you wanted to. I would be willing to bet money that not one of the people complaining have served and seen action, the cowards. And what this veteran did honors the flag, not sullies it.

[QUOTE=brandonsh;47316605]I don't get why America's flag is seen as so sacred. You could take a steaming dump on a Union Jack and nobody would care.[/QUOTE] I don't either. it's like burning a bible to me. So what if they burn it, do the ideas suddenly disappear? No, they don't, so who gives a fuck. Though I do think the US Flag needs updating. The stars should really be replaced with dollar signs

[QUOTE=Hoboiam;47317074]Actually, this too breaks the (unnoficial) flag code [url]http://www.ushistory.org/betsy/flagcode.htm[/url] Also be sure to check out their wall of shame, which has some primo flag misuse God bless america[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://puu.sh/gzNK3/6104cf6339.png[/IMG] Thanks for the comedy gold.

So instead of being concerned about the allusion that the kid is somewhat born into a military lifestyle which is what I got from it, but even that's a push, they're pissed off about "desecrating" the American flag? Muhrica!

[QUOTE=archangel125;47320460]I disagree. Putting your life on the line for your country gives you the right to wipe your ass with the flag if you wanted to. I would be willing to bet money that not one of the people complaining have served and seen action, the cowards. And what this veteran did honors the flag, not sullies it.[/QUOTE] Why would serving give you the right to wipe your ass with the same flag you swore to defend and protect? Maybe it makes sense to you since you're Canadian. Also I guarantee that neither of these Sailors have ever been in direct combat. Not like it would make any difference either way.

[QUOTE=catbarf;47318461]Both the pattern and the fact that it's a flag. You don't pledge allegiance to someone's shirt or a painting of a flag, it's specifically a physical American flag that gets this kind of respect from a lot of Americans. Burning a photograph of a cross and burning an actual cross on someone's front lawn have pretty different symbolism, don't they? For what its worth a lot of people think draping yourself in the flag is tacky and can be offensive depending on how it's used. I don't even believe this myself but I think it's asinine to blithely repeat the 'it's just cloth, who cares' line when there are clearly people who care and have clear reasons for doing so, and how things like flag burning are commonly known political expressions that implicitly give the flag greater symbolic context than just burning a piece of cloth.[/QUOTE] you've said this a whole lot, but you've given no reasons why people who get offended at people messing with a flag are in any way legitimate or anything. i don't think anyone is confused at why people freak their shit, but you haven't given a reason as to why anyone should respect it

[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;47320815]Why would serving give you the right to wipe your ass with the same flag you swore to defend and protect? Maybe it makes sense to you since you're Canadian. Also I guarantee that neither of these Sailors have ever been in direct combat. Not like it would make any difference either way.[/QUOTE] they literally risked their lives for the country, yes, they can do whatever they want with it, they earned it and what does being canadian have to do about it? Do canadians somehow not understand being proud of their countrys flag? are us americans only allowed to know what it's like to be "Patriotic", get fucking real with that. [editline]14th March 2015[/editline] the same people who say "You have no right to do that" also didn't serve either, and automatically will act as if their service was magically meaningless