North Korea Threteans Pre-Emptive Nuclear Strike Against South Korea And U.S. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=apierce1289;49885042]In what ways can the US protect itself from a nuclear attack? Do we have anything like an iron dome? I've never researched it but what's the likelihood that the nuclear weapon would reach US soil? This is assuming that the North Korean's had the capability. I wonder what our response would be to such a thing? I'm genuinely curious as to how safe we actually are.[/QUOTE] Well, the likelihood of a missile launched by NK reaching anything other than the West Coast is highly unlikely. If I recall, they basically just shoot up a bunch of other missiles and try to hit the nuclear bomb before it detonates. Or I made that up. I forget where I heard that.

[QUOTE=apierce1289;49885042]In what ways can the US protect itself from a nuclear attack? Do we have anything like an iron dome? I've never researched it but what's the likelihood that the nuclear weapon would reach US soil? This is assuming that the North Korean's had the capability. I wonder what our response would be to such a thing? I'm genuinely curious as to how safe we actually are.[/QUOTE] If deterrence had failed and missiles were actually launched, then there are ground-based interceptors based in Alaska which the missiles would have to fly directly over to reach US soil. Combine that with SM-3 equipped AEGIS ships of both the US and Japanese navies based out of Japan. The AEGIS ships' reaction times would be minimal to a launch if they were taken unawares but chances are they'll be on standby and deployed in line with the flight path if tensions were high and a launch seemed likely. I'm not too well read on NK nuclear capability, but of course this assumes NK has the capability to launch a missile carrying a nuclear warhead capable of reaching US soil, which is speculative at best. They almost certainly don't have MIRV technology, which is the main insurance policy of nuclear weapons getting through defences. A handful of missiles carrying one warhead each would very likely be successfully intercepted.

[QUOTE=Keelwar;49884982]as far as they're concerned, they're on the brink of war at all times. [/QUOTE] Technically, they are. The Korean War never ended; cease-fire treaties have been signed, but not peace treaties. North and South Korea are in a cold war and the DMZ is the front line of that war. North Korea is a good example of a society laboring under a dictator and a perpetual war footing. This is what makes their nuclear capability particularly scary even if they can't launch anything further than Seoul.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;49884362]They always pull this shit in February/March/April. I'm not sure why these specific months, but every year around this time the number of NK threats and threads in FP about it spike.[/QUOTE] Im guessing that's about the time fat ass kim jong un runs out of his cheese gouda supply, so he throws a fit and threatens nuclear war until he gets his UN cheese rations back.

I talked with friends who lives in South Korea. They don't give a fuck because they know it's just a routine bluffing.

[QUOTE=NeoAznMan;49886096]I talked with friends who lives in South Korea. They don't give a fuck because they know it's just a routine bluffing.[/QUOTE] But there's a 1% chance that they aren't Surely that's still 1% too high

People joke and stuff but the idea is still fucking terrifying. One day they may just have the balls to do it and we'll all be surprised.

[QUOTE=apierce1289;49885042]In what ways can the US protect itself from a nuclear attack? Do we have anything like an iron dome? I've never researched it but what's the likelihood that the nuclear weapon would reach US soil? This is assuming that the North Korean's had the capability. I wonder what our response would be to such a thing? I'm genuinely curious as to how safe we actually are.[/QUOTE] To hit the U.S. they'd need an ICBM, ICBM's typically work by launching really high into the atmosphere like any other rocket, then just letting the nuclear payload(s) fall back onto their target(s). You have to intercept them before they release the payloads because hitting something in freefall is much, much harder than hitting a propelled ICBM. The NorKs wouldn't have an ICBM capable of evading or avoiding our interception perimeter in the pacific, The biggest nuclear threats would still be Russia, or someone physically bringing a nuclear weapon on a truck into their designated target area. [t]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/ff/Minuteman_III_MIRV_path.svg[/t]

Why are they still considered a joke? They wouldn't even need to fire a missile, simply being able to to detonate a nuclear bomb on the DMZ would cause massive damage.

All Washington has to do is tell NK that if they launch anything they'll make SK an island.

[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;49887694]Why are they still considered a joke? They wouldn't even need to fire a missile, simply being able to to detonate a nuclear bomb on the DMZ would cause massive damage.[/QUOTE] It would cause massive damage, and it would prevent them from using their land based forces to advance through wherever they detonated it. To detonate it on the border would hurt their own military potential more than the South Koreans, who would have a lot of support coming their way very quickly in the event of an attack. A North Korean attack would rely on surprise and blitz-krieg-esque tactics to mount any kind of success, detonating a nuke on the border would stop that in it's tracks, and negate any success they could manage before reinforcements wiped the floor with them.

[QUOTE=soulharvester;49887767]It would cause massive damage, and it would prevent them from using their land based forces to advance through wherever they detonated it. To detonate it on the border would hurt their own military potential more than the South Koreans, who would have a lot of support coming their way very quickly in the event of an attack. A North Korean attack would rely on surprise and blitz-krieg-esque tactics to mount any kind of success, detonating a nuke on the border would stop that in it's tracks, and negate any success they could manage before reinforcements wiped the floor with them.[/QUOTE] Seoul is only 35 miles from the border, the entire city would have to be evacuated because of fallout, and depending on how big it is, even if crude, could destroy part of it.

Here's the thing. If North Korea really, really, really wanted to flex their dick and taunt the South/their ally the US into war but also give them a huge mindfuck of a dilemma, here's all they'd have to do. The North has plenty of artillery capable of hitting Seoul. All of a sudden, the North begins shelling Seoul with heavy, constant fire for exactly five minutes, and then stops abruptly and does not restart. Telegram to SKor/US military commanders: NOW WHAT, GENIUSES? A retaliatory attack on the North would just prompt more shelling of civilians. Bombing civilians in return would raise a hell of a lot of anger from South Koreans who [I]have family still living in the North[/I]. A land offensive would be very costly and the North has prepared fanatically for just that scenario. So, when the shelling stops and thousands of civilians are wounded or dead... now what? You can't just glass the country, South Koreans' families live there. Dealing with North Korea is very difficult because they are the definition of backed into a corner and ready to lash out.

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;49888393]Here's the thing. If North Korea really, really, really wanted to flex their dick and taunt the South/their ally the US into war but also give them a huge mindfuck of a dilemma, here's all they'd have to do. The North has plenty of artillery capable of hitting Seoul. All of a sudden, the North begins shelling Seoul with heavy, constant fire for exactly five minutes, and then stops abruptly and does not restart. Telegram to SKor/US military commanders: NOW WHAT, GENIUSES? A retaliatory attack on the North would just prompt more shelling of civilians. Bombing civilians in return would raise a hell of a lot of anger from South Koreans who [I]have family still living in the North[/I]. A land offensive would be very costly and the North has prepared fanatically for just that scenario. So, when the shelling stops and thousands of civilians are wounded or dead... now what? You can't just glass the country, South Koreans' families live there. Dealing with North Korea is very difficult because they are the definition of backed into a corner and ready to lash out.[/QUOTE] what kind of logic are you smoking

[QUOTE=Perrine;49888635]what kind of logic are you smoking[/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.theindependent.co.zw/2010/12/02/gwynne-dyer-the-north-korean-dilemma/"]North Korean logic, son.[/URL] It's worse than crack.

[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;49887694]Why are they still considered a joke? They wouldn't even need to fire a missile, simply being able to to detonate a nuclear bomb on the DMZ would cause massive damage.[/QUOTE] Using nukes or causing such actual damage would get them fucked pretty quickly one way or another. The point, is why would they do that? The regime has the only goal of preserving itself and that would go against the goal. Keeping up tensions and the north Koreans in the looming shadow of an imminent war is much more effective in solidifying the unity of the people.

[QUOTE=elixwhitetail;49888393]Here's the thing. If North Korea really, really, really wanted to flex their dick and taunt the South/their ally the US into war but also give them a huge mindfuck of a dilemma, here's all they'd have to do. [b]The North has plenty of artillery capable of hitting Seoul. All of a sudden, the North begins shelling Seoul with heavy, constant fire for exactly five minutes, and then stops abruptly and does not restart.[/b] Telegram to SKor/US military commanders: NOW WHAT, GENIUSES? A retaliatory attack on the North would just prompt more shelling of civilians. Bombing civilians in return would raise a hell of a lot of anger from South Koreans who [I]have family still living in the North[/I]. A land offensive would be very costly and the North has prepared fanatically for just that scenario. So, when the shelling stops and thousands of civilians are wounded or dead... now what? You can't just glass the country, South Koreans' families live there. Dealing with North Korea is very difficult because they are the definition of backed into a corner and ready to lash out.[/QUOTE] No they don't They have a few homebrew artillery pieces with adapted naval guns that are speculated to be able to hit the outer parts Seoul from the edges of the DMZ with RAP shells but beyond those, the vast majority of their gun artillery(which makes of the bulk of their artillery) would have to cross over and get deep into South Korean territory before being able to hit Seoul. The only thing they've got that's capable of firing on SK from NK territory is a relatively small amount of missile launchers Given how much scrutiny the North is constantly under, I think those things are going to get noticed if they're brought within firing range of Seoul

And I know that everyone tip-toes around North Korea and doesn't respond to their attacks but if NK ACTUALLY shelled Seoul than it's going to be war. Like, they can get away with shooting rockets in the ocean, shelling a lightly populated island on their border and shit like this but actually shelling a capital of a country for five minutes? SK would retaliate and so would the US. Than again now that I think about it the Norks have bombed civilian airliners and launched literal commando raids into SK with the express objective of killing their president. So I dunno anymore.

Would it be possible they're doing trade with isis?

[QUOTE=kill3r;49886106]But there's a 1% chance that they aren't Surely that's still 1% too high[/QUOTE] These is also a ~1 percent chance that you will die today from some different reason, like a car incident or an addict with a gun or whatnot. Thinking about possibilities of this kind is just pointless, especially if you can't actually change anything.

[QUOTE=ridinmybike;49917939]Would it be possible they're doing trade with isis?[/QUOTE] Unless it's being facilitated through China (which I think is unlikely), I don't see how. And how would trade with ISIS benefit the Norks? Oil? And what would the Norks offer ISIS? Anything the Norks could provide, I'm sure ISIS could get something better more easily from Turkey or whomever else is working with them. [editline]12th March 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=antianan;49917970]These is also a ~1 percent chance that you will die today from some different reason, like a car incident or an addict with a gun or whatnot. Thinking about possibilities of this kind is just pointless, especially if you can't actually change anything.[/QUOTE] Uh, statically most people live much, much longer than 100 days M8. But regarding the post you were referring to, unless our intelligence agencies believe otherwise, it seems unlikely that NK would initiate a long range attack. There's no scenario in which they come out ahead, and the status quo benefits the ones who would ultimately make that decision. So to arbitrarily assign percentages to the likely hood of NK breaking the restarting the war isn't helpful.

[QUOTE=Sitkero;49890285]No they don't They have a few homebrew artillery pieces with adapted naval guns that are speculated to be able to hit the outer parts Seoul from the edges of the DMZ with RAP shells but beyond those, the vast majority of their gun artillery(which makes of the bulk of their artillery) would have to cross over and get deep into South Korean territory before being able to hit Seoul. The only thing they've got that's capable of firing on SK from NK territory is a relatively small amount of missile launchers Given how much scrutiny the North is constantly under, I think those things are going to get noticed if they're brought within firing range of Seoul[/QUOTE] No shhhhh you're supposed to pretend that NK can powder Seoul in 1 minute for some reason.

What if they actually do fire a missile? Most people take them as a joke, but just recently they successfully launched a satellite into space?

[QUOTE=vrej;49918961]What if they actually do fire a missile? Most people take them as a joke, but just recently they successfully launched a satellite into space?[/QUOTE] A satellite that doesn't appear to be doing anything, quite honestly I'm pretty confident that our intelligence agencies are on top of identifying these threats long before they become deployable. If NK successfully hits another nation with a ballistic missile and we don't successfully prevent/intercept it, I'll fly to the country it hit and eat some of the irradiated soil, toxxed.

[QUOTE=vrej;49918961]What if they actually do fire a missile? Most people take them as a joke, but just recently they successfully launched a satellite into space?[/QUOTE] Please have faith in the United States Navy and Air Force that any preemptive attack by the aggressor North Korea would be immediately extinguished and met with a devastating and life ending response. [editline]12th March 2016[/editline] How's that for flowery language North Korea!

I'll say what I said in another NK thread. Fucking let them try it. They can't touch an inch of South Korean or US soil without bringing the wrath of the modern world upon them. They won't attack because it would be them signing their own death warrant. A very unwise decision when you have NO friends willing to back you in the inevitable butt fucking that would be coming Kim's way. The US alone can turn North Korea into a parking lot. Imagine what would happen if the world's collective military might fell on NK all at once.