[QUOTE=Paramud;40930828]I've seen a good amount of good arguments for legalizing pot. "We could tax it and make big bux" isn't one of them, and it's always incredibly god damn annoying when I see anyone say that.[/QUOTE]
It's more of a nice bonus
[QUOTE=Zeke129;40931535]It's more of a nice bonus[/QUOTE]
It was the only reason given in the post I was replying to.
[QUOTE=Doomish;40931422]people have done a lot of things for [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUpbOliTHJY]the greater good[/url] that can be thought of as "morally bankrupt", sometimes you have to take that route to get things that will end up being better for everyone done[/QUOTE]
It's better off, but loads of good reasons already exist. No need to fabricate fantastic ones about how useful it is, I'm already sold.
Does anyone know where they are getting the weed for the stores? Like is there a farm in America?
[QUOTE=.FLAP.JACK.DAN.;40931658]Does anyone know where they are getting the weed for the stores? Like is there a farm in America?[/QUOTE]
Until its legal (federally) I don't think any exact location would be(or should be) divulged.
[QUOTE=.FLAP.JACK.DAN.;40931658]Does anyone know where they are getting the weed for the stores? Like is there a farm in America?[/QUOTE]
[quote]... she awaits the first delivery of cannabis from the city’s licensed cultivators.[/quote]
If weed is legalized, it just gives criminals an easy target to rob because stores will have cash and (legal) weed on hand. It's like people think all the crime associated with weed would disappear if it's legalized - that is a myth. There's going to still be a huge international market for it, and because of legality cartels and other criminal organizations will just move their already large operations into the US for the purpose of exportation. The only thing I see coming out of this is more crime and more bodies, but people here seem to only want to satisfy their delusions that legalized weed solves all the world's problems and that they can just stay addicted.
[QUOTE=popbob;40931785]If weed is legalized, it just gives criminals an easy target to rob because stores will have cash and (legal) weed on hand. It's like people think all the crime associated with weed would disappear if it's legalized - that is a myth. There's going to still be a huge international market for it, and because of legality cartels and other criminal organizations will just move their already large operations into the US for the purpose of exportation. The only thing I see coming out of this is more crime and more bodies, but people here seem to only want to satisfy their delusions that legalized weed solves all the world's problems and that they can just stay addicted.[/QUOTE]
well first there is absolutely no way the cartels will ever be able to operate in the USA like they do in mexico, second there is no way that a weed blackmarket could ever compete with a legal one and really, should jewelery stores be illegal because it gives criminals an easy target to rob for (legal) jewels and cash? should dairies be made illegal because they give criminals an easy target to rob for (legal) tobacco and cash? should alcohol stores be illegal because they give criminals an easy target to rob for (legal) alcohol and cash? black markets simply cannot compete with legal ones, that's why black markets generally only deal in illegal goods
[QUOTE=popbob;40931785]that they can just stay addicted.[/QUOTE]
From the times I've consumed it (which have been rarely) I haven't felt very addicted. I ate some weed cupcakes at one stage as well, and listened to Dvorak whilst grinning madly.
[quote]well first there is absolutely no way the cartels will ever be able to operate in the USA like they do in mexico[/quote]
Considering that cartels in mexico are kept afloat by them keeping the right politicians and ranking police officers paid, not to mention sheer manpower, I'm almost certain it'd be easier to run a cartel in the US. Especially when you have the advantage of not having your crop torched when you forget to pay off the right person, because the law would be protecting them just as much as the citizen.
[quote]second there is no way that a weed blackmarket could ever compete with a legal one and really, should jewelery stores be illegal because it gives criminals an easy target to rob for (legal) jewels and cash? should dairies be made illegal because they give criminals an easy target to rob for (legal) tobacco and cash? should alcohol stores be illegal because they give criminals an easy target to rob for (legal) alcohol and cash? black markets simply cannot compete with legal ones, that's why black markets generally only deal in illegal goods [/quote]
This is a completely false and fallacious statement. I hope you're not being serious.
[QUOTE=popbob;40931882]Considering that cartels in mexico are kept afloat by them keeping the right politicians and ranking police officers paid, not to mention sheer manpower, I'm almost certain it'd be easier to run a cartel in the US. Especially when you have the advantage of not having your crop torched when you forget to pay off the right person, because the law would be protecting them just as much as the citizen.
This is a completely false and fallacious statement. I hope you're not being serious.[/QUOTE]
mexico has an incredibly inept and corrupt government, i'm not saying the USA's government is perfect but no way are they or will they ever be close to that. when that ex-LAPD dude shot 3 people the cops went OTT to catch him, how do you think they'd react to cartel members beheading people in public? and uh, how is it false and fallacious? tell me a single blackmarket product that makes more money than it's legal equivalent
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;40931910]mexico has an incredibly inept and corrupt government, i'm not saying the USA's government is perfect but no way are they or will they ever be close to that.[/quote]
Mexico's government hasn't always been that way. It's something that happened over the course of decades as the drug trade through Mexico became more profitable and the cartels got the people they want into power. Corruption is already commonplace in the US, it would not take much for them to start up here.
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and uh, how is it false and fallacious? tell me a single blackmarket product that makes more money than it's legal equivalent[/QUOTE]
Tobacco is a good example of why you are wrong, it's black market ranges from simply buying it at a low tax rate in one area and selling it in another, to robbing larger warehouses/trucks to sell it for 100% profit to gas stations and other retailers. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_market#Tobacco[/url]. There's even similar markets that have arisen in parts of the world around fuel too, specifically around tax. Do you think it'd be any different for weed?
[QUOTE=popbob;40931968]Mexico's government hasn't always been that way. It's something that happened over the course of decades as the drug trade through Mexico became more profitable and the cartels got the people they want into power. Corruption is already commonplace in the US, it would not take much for them to start up here.
Tobacco is a good example of why you are wrong, it's black market ranges from simply buying it at a low tax rate in one area and selling it in another, to robbing larger warehouses/trucks to sell it for 100% profit to gas stations and other retailers. [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_market#Tobacco[/url]. There's even similar markets that have arisen in parts of the world around fuel too, specifically around tax. Do you think it'd be any different for weed?[/QUOTE]
well it's always been inept enough since it has the exact same drug laws as america but american criminals have nowhere near the same amount of power, and the drug trade through mexico was made powerful due to the prohibition of those drugs. and i don't doubt there would be a black market for weed i didn't say that there wouldn't, there's a black market for everything, but that black market will never be able to properly compete with the proper one, btw the legal tobacco market in USA is worth 35 billion$ apparently ([url]http://www.worldlungfoundation.org/ht/display/ReleaseDetails/i/20439/pid/6858[/url]). and weed vs tobacco is a bad argument anyway because weed is far far far easier to produce than tobacco to the point that even with taxes it would still be cheaper to buy legally than illegally (or at least that's what i've been shown/told i'll try find a source for this)
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;40932020]well it's always been inept enough since it has the exact same drug laws as america but american criminals have nowhere near the same amount of power, and the drug trade through mexico was made powerful due to the prohibition of those drugs. and i don't doubt there would be a black market for weed i didn't say that there wouldn't, there's a black market for everything, but that black market will never be able to properly compete with the proper one, btw the legal tobacco market in USA is worth 35 billion$ apparently ([url]http://www.worldlungfoundation.org/ht/display/ReleaseDetails/i/20439/pid/6858[/url]). and weed vs tobacco is a bad argument anyway because weed is far far far easier to produce than tobacco to the point that even with taxes it would still be cheaper to buy legally than illegally (or at least that's what i've been shown/told i'll try find a source for this)[/QUOTE]
I can't even read your posts. Please make an effort to actually properly organize your posts to at least a basic level before you try and make an argument.
[URL]http://business.time.com/2013/05/20/how-much-will-a-legal-marijuana-habit-cost-you/[/URL]
only a little bit of this is about that, but it does point out that a legal ounce is like, $30 cheaper than an illegal one, but i'm sure i heard it'd be even cheaper than that. but whatever, that doesn't stop the fact that yes, people would rob weed shipments and sell them for VERY cheap just like what is done with tobacco, but is that really a reason to keep it illegal? maybe the money saved from weed being legal ($20 billion is what the source i posted on page 1 or 2 said) could be put into fighting these ACTUAL criminals?
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[QUOTE=popbob;40932035]I can't even read your posts. Please make an effort to actually properly organize your posts to at least a basic level before you try and make an argument.[/QUOTE]
lol. if you're not willing to read posts maybe you shouldn't go on forums
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ive made the effort to rebuke your asinine theory that marijuana legalization will bring mexican cartels to the USA you can at least make the effort to read my posts
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[QUOTE=Sobotnik;40931877]From the times I've consumed it (which have been rarely) I haven't felt very addicted. I ate some weed cupcakes at one stage as well, and listened to Dvorak whilst grinning madly.[/QUOTE]
smoking weed with you would be fucked up as lol it would be funny though
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[QUOTE=Roof;40931133]Let me rephrase; I [B]believe[/B] it messes with your mind too much, I've smoked it before all through out my Freshmen-Junior years and then I just saw all my friends turn out to be idiots while the ones that didn't smoke it stayed the same good old people I knew. (Of course, since you will mention this, I will say not everyone is the same, and some people work harder than others, so some people will keep up.)
And then my other belief is medical marijuana should only be passed to certain people with disabilities such as the user on facepunch in DD when I used to visit there, he has some nerve damage of some kind which makes him in pain - for the rest of his life.
Then in the other case, if you TRULY - ABSOLUTELY need bud to have fun all the time, then refer to the first section of this post.[/QUOTE]
Well I'm glad you took the time to explain yourself, but you also contradicted your previous statement then, Since everyone's different, just because that group of friends all decided to become losers doesn't mean that most people who smoke a joint everyday after a hard days work are wrong, nor should they feel obligated to hide that stress relief. And it's no different than alcohol in that sense, or whatever the individual uses to relax, but at least it's safer than alcohol. Also to touch on your post once more, the reason you think it messes with your mind too much, is because it will when your brain's still developing. You guys obviously didn't do any research before trying a new drug, so there's that already, but if you had, at least checked if it was safe for your age, you'd find that cannabis can very slightly (hardly anything one would notice) slow or alter your brain development if you smoke (occasionally to everyday, not once in a while) under 18, although honestly I'd say it's safer to start around 19-20.
Haha, gonna throw this out here too, everyone, especially that one guy, rating dumbs all over. Are you sad because everyone likes to have a little fun at noone's expense, but you've believed all the bad that drugs (primarily cannabis) supposedly do, and so now you're mad that we have fun and you don't?
By the way, same with firearms, the drugs don't do anyone any bad, it's the people. I don't think I can beat this into everyone's heads enough, The user is ALWAYS responsible for themself, not the drug, not his dealer, no one but the consumer.
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