[QUOTE=Diet Kane;41085476][img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/88/Fallout-_Brotherhood_of_Steel_Box.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
This game was so damn close to ruining the franchise.
While Bethesda tried to stick to the series' themes, BoS spat in all of that and wanted to turn it into a generic post apocalypse shooter chock filled with sexy wasteland babes and rock music.
It's a good thing the sequel got cancelled.
[QUOTE=Diet Kane;41085464]so there were no companions that were emotionless, characterless cardboard cutouts? i'm sorry, but Obsidian likes to actually do a good job writing great characters and companions that feel human and have their own pasts and histories and stories[/QUOTE]
ok now you must actually be kidding right
None of the companions from New Vegas were interesting in the least. I only listed Fawkes and Dog Meat because they were actually useful. Dog Meat gained near invulnerability with the HP gain glitch. In new Vegas I went solo because my companions kept dying.
[QUOTE=laharlsblade;41085548]ok now you must actually be kidding right
None of the companions from New Vegas were interesting in the least. I only listed Fawkes and Dog Meat because they were actually useful. Dog Meat gained near invulnerability with the HP gain glitch. In new Vegas I went solo because my companions kept dying.[/QUOTE]
oh man dogmeat is such a great compelling companion thanks to his glitch, that makes him superior gg
Seriously? I can't name any companions from FO3 except for Fawkes because fucking everyone used him. But I can namedrop every companion from New Vegas and describe their personality and history (with the exception of the super mutant grandma). I gave more of a shit about Arcade Gannon and his struggle with his family's past in the Enclave or Boone's guilt over his dead wife than any cardboard cutout "companion" in FO3. FO3's companions are just bags of meat that take bullets for you.
[QUOTE=laharlsblade;41085548]ok now you must actually be kidding right
None of the companions from New Vegas were interesting in the least. I only listed Fawkes and Dog Meat because they were actually useful. Dog Meat gained near invulnerability with the HP gain glitch. In new Vegas I went solo because my companions kept dying.[/QUOTE]
holy idiot. again, you just suck at the game.
"my companion keeps dying! bad game!"
[QUOTE=Saza;41085520]I just love how you tell me my opinion that 3 is better than NV is wrong because it's an opinion and then go on and say NV is better because in your opinion it's a better story and in your opinion there's creative vaults and in your opinion there's better DLC/VO/Speech
I happen to like 3 more than NV. My reasoning behind that is that I honestly enjoy the green seaweed colored destroyed DC over the orange-jam smeared desert that is Las Vegas. If you like NV more than 3 I can understand. Shut the fuck up with your stupid opinions that you preach as fact.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry but it's not an opinion if they did it better than Fallout 3. The story is way better than "go get your dad and save the wasteland" it actually has substance and choices instead of "Fuck the entire wasteland" or "Save the entire wasteland, thanks Jesus" theres little to no morals you have to think about in Fallout 3.
The DLC, I'll go with you on that one. I didn't like Zeta in Fallout 3, I also didn't like Honest Hearts in New Vegas.
The Voice Acting was seriously better though. Obsidian didn't blow 70% of their budget on expensive famous voice actors because they COULDN'T with what they were given. So they had a wider variety of voice actors.
And you cannot tell me the speech was better in Fallout 3. It's more of a sideskill you might want to get for some extra caps here and there while in New Vegas, being true to the series, it can actually matter if you have a high speech skill. You can avoid entire fights, convince factions to join your side, so much more than in Fallout 3. Not to mention there isn't some silly ridiculous percent chance for it that you can just reload and retry a million times to get right for.
In regards to voice acting, New Vegas also has MORE voice actors by a huge margin.
NV has 12 female voice actors for a majority of generic NPCs. 3 had [i]4.[/i]
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;41084972]ive heard rumors that MS is paying BIGGGGGGG bucks to try to make this or at least part of it (dlc) exclusive[/QUOTE]
you don't need rumors to know microsoft will be throwing a fat wad of cash at bethesda to make them be partial towards the xbox, it's been done since morrowind.
[QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;41085626]I'm sorry but it's not an opinion if they did it better than Fallout 3. The story is way better than "go get your dad and save the wasteland" it actually has substance and choices instead of "Fuck the entire wasteland" or "Save the entire wasteland, thanks Jesus" theres little to no morals you have to think about in Fallout 3.
The DLC, I'll go with you on that one. I didn't like Zeta in Fallout 3, I also didn't like Honest Hearts in New Vegas.
The Voice Acting was seriously better though. Obsidian didn't blow 70% of their budget on expensive famous voice actors because they COULDN'T with what they were given. So they had a wider variety of voice actors.
And you cannot tell me the speech was better in Fallout 3. It's more of a sideskill you might want to get for some extra caps here and there while in New Vegas, being true to the series, it can actually matter if you have a high speech skill. You can avoid entire fights, convince factions to join your side, so much more than in Fallout 3. Not to mention there isn't some silly ridiculous percent chance for it that you can just reload and retry a million times to get right for.[/QUOTE]
I'm not denying or saying any of what I said about your opinions is what I really believe - I don't think the DLC in 3 was better than NV because honestly, Lonesome Road and OWB were amazing. But then again, The Pitt also had an amazing environment and Broken Steel extended the game quite a bit and giving you some other choices on things.
The voice acting in NV is better, yeah. That's true.
But I'm not going to lie, speech in NV should've been the probability influenced by your skill rather than DO YOU HAVE 30 SPEECH YES OR NO. Because it means that, even if you DON'T meet the requirement, it adds some variety - you still might actually get the challenge or not.
I happen to enjoy 3 with [url=http://fallout3.nexusmods.com/mods/6938]a[/url] [url=http://fallout3.nexusmods.com/mods/2761/?]few[/url] [url=http://fallout3.nexusmods.com/mods/8340/?]good[/url] [url=http://fallout3.nexusmods.com/mods/3388/?]mods[/url] which really make gameplay a lot more like New Vegas' - if you really wanted to claim that NV's was better, this is what I have to tell you even though "you shouldn't have to mod the game!!" [not saying you've said that]
Saying that NV is better than 3 is an opinion and nothing more.
[QUOTE=Diet Kane;41085476][img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/88/Fallout-_Brotherhood_of_Steel_Box.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
I'm covering my eyes right now, I don't consider that a fallout game
[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;41085739]I'm covering my eyes right now, I don't consider that a fallout game[/QUOTE]
What game? I'm pretty sure that's just made up by a portion of the community as a joke to scare the rest of us. It surely can't be real.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;41085577]except it isnt an opinion that nv is better than 3, its a fact
you can like 3 more than nv
but nv is conceptually and literally better than 3[/QUOTE]
Well, I like 3 (with expansions) more than NV. I don't know why, but while I really liked Benny as a character, I never got along with Caeser, Dr. House or any of that. While you could argue "But you can just take the lead yourself!" it never felt like you could really do that. I just think 3's linearity captured me more than NV's somewhat broken paths. Then there was some annoying stuff - when you had to upgrade (I think?) the robots' firmware and you weren't all that great friends with The Legion, there was no option to sneak around or something like that. As soon as you fast traveled with the boat, you got attacked.
I liked a lot of stuff in NV more, but there was simply some stuff that irked me that for some reason didn't irk me so much in 3. It was small stuff, but though I played it almost through twice, I just couldn't do it all the way through. Point lookout was in my opinion a great expansion as well, and in general I found there was more mystique in 3.
That's just my 2 cents, feel free to disagree.
[QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;41085470]Anyone who says Fallout 3 was better than New Vegas is literally wrong. There is no opinion, it's like saying the sky is green instead of blue and then saying "Well thats my opinion"
New Vegas had:
A better main story.
Factions that mattered.
Reputations that mattered.
Expanded guns with mods.
More enemy variety.
Creative Vaults.
Companions that weren't cardboard cutouts with guns and 3 lines of dialogue.
Better DLC. (Broken Steel and Point Lookout were great though)
Better voice acting.
They at least TRIED to hide the invisible walls.
Better speech system, its possible to even go through the game without killing a single person if I remember.
Motherfucking Mr. House.
Hardcore Mode for the ballsy.
You can kill everyone, literally everyone in the entire game except one NPC and that's just so you can complete the main quest. Hes not even out in the open either.
Compare that to Fallout 3 and what it did better.
Environment/Atmosphere (even though in-lore it makes zero sense and is just supposed to appeal to the post-apoc boner people)
So yeah I'm not looking forward to Fallout 4 too much! Hopefully that Mad Max game will be what we truly need.[/QUOTE]
I absolutely agree with you. New Vegas was better than 3. But come on, don't you think what you said is a bit ignorant and condescending? It is not a fact.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;41085807]Well, I like 3 (with expansions) more than NV. I don't know why, but while I really liked Benny as a character, I never got along with Caeser, Dr. House or any of that. While you could argue "But you can just take the lead yourself!" it never felt like you could really do that. I just think 3's linearity captured me more than NV's somewhat broken paths. Then there was some annoying stuff - when you had to upgrade (I think?) the robots' firmware and you weren't all that great friends with The Legion, there was no option to sneak around or something like that. As soon as you fast traveled with the boat, you got attacked.
I liked a lot of stuff in NV more, but there was simply some stuff that irked me that for some reason didn't irk me so much in 3. It was small stuff, but though I played it almost through twice, I just couldn't do it all the way through. Point lookout was in my opinion a great expansion as well, and in general I found there was more mystique in 3.
That's just my 2 cents, feel free to disagree.[/QUOTE]
This is basically how I feel about New Vegas to 3.
[QUOTE=laharlsblade;41085548]ok now you must actually be kidding right
None of the companions from New Vegas were interesting in the least. I only listed Fawkes and Dog Meat because they were actually useful. Dog Meat gained near invulnerability with the HP gain glitch. In new Vegas I went solo because my companions kept dying.[/QUOTE]
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Say that to this man's fucking magnificent face.
[QUOTE=Diet Kane;41084864]i don't get people who say this. Either they played it on console or they're just blind. Skyrim at launch was one of the shittiest looking current gen games I'd played, holy hell. HOW CAN YOU SAY THIS LOOKS GOOD
[img]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/16550652/graphics%20of%20the%20year.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
thats wurm online not skyrim how dumb r u?
Skyrim isn't a bad [I]game[/I]. Even people who hate it cannot say that with a straight face.
The core gameplay, while certainly dumbed down, is still fun. In fact, I felt like Skyrim had the best combat of the series, and leveling wasn't all over the place (people will say I am stupid but it took me almost 2 hours in Oblivion to figure out that I had to sleep to level up). Yhe graphical quality is also very good, just heavily stylized (and unpolished in many cases.)
However, Skyrim is a terrible story and world. So much could have been done but too much effort was placed on making the gameplay and not enough on the game. While fun at first, it got massively repetitive, kind of like Doom 3's jumpscares. When I entered a dungeon, I could literally predict what would happen. I would pull a level, enter a tunnel, the Draugr would reanimate, after killing many Draugr I find the end and fight a big Draugr boss, learn a new word, and get all kinds of loot. Yay.
It just got boring after a while. And it is true when they say every enemy felt the same. Late into the game, Falmer replaced Draugr but functioned the same way.
None of the side-quests were fleshed out or fulfilling. Other than leveling up, there was no reason to do any of them. Dragons were a huge let down, being way to damn easy to kill.
So Skyrim had all the workings of a good game as far as the core mechanics, and I think people are just hating it because they are bitter oldfags who cannot understand that the game will not return to something like Morrowind, unfortunately. While the game does get easily repetitive and the main story makes no fucking sense in the context of the Elder Scrolls lore, as well as its lack of interesting sidequests, Skyrim is still fun.
Anyways, now that the thread has been de-railed and the train has run into an orphanage, let us talk a little bit about Fallout 4.
My personal hope was that Fallout 4 would take place in Canada, where the old U.S. government fled into the wilderness. Of course, the main "war" in the game would be the Remnants fighting a local Canadian resistance. It would be a lush and green alternative to the Wasteland, which would still be present in the game. I wanted it like that to try and make a window into the past, to see what the pre-war North America was like.
Well yeah Skyrim's not a bad game by any means, just underwhelming
[QUOTE=Synelor;41086004]oh wow all this rage
at least we can all agree that oblivion masterrace
morrowind aswell to some extent[/QUOTE]
oblivion + slof's boners = greatest rpg of all time
[QUOTE=NuclearAnnhilation;41085447]so is anyone excited over fallout 4? everyones just complaining over skyrim
i liked new vegas more than fallout 3 but thats not to say i didnt like fallout 3, fallout 4 should be great. i just hope the engine gets quite a update[/QUOTE]
honestly in some ways i enjoyed fallout 3 more than fallout nv (i think it had better atmosphere in some ways and i really enjoyed the prominence of raiders in the wasteland). i'd probably prefer them to hand it off to obsidian and just make an overall more polished and detailed game but either way i don't see how they could fuck up fallout right now. i'm also really fucking excited to enjoy a fallout game with the graphic updates to gamebryo that came in skyrim, i just hope it doesnt have the weird vertical mouse movement issues i had in skyrim.
i hope the combat is much better than fo3&nv
[QUOTE=Alex_DeLarge;41084887]It is great when Gamebyro isn't being a piece of shit
[t]http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/576725532563865118/BCA3AF8F0647F00C79B219FAAD0C88E65D580720/2048x1152.resizedimage[/t]
This is on the Ivy Bridge i7, Nvidia 680GTX, Windows 7 (at the time) and the latest Nvidia drivers. This isn't some weird configuration. I don't know why it does this but Skyrim is unplayable due to the graphical glitches even after upgrading the operating system, new CPU (Haswell 4770K) and a new GPU (780)[/QUOTE]
um sorry but your gpu being fried doesnt invalidate the fact that everyone else can play just fine
[QUOTE=J!NX;41084746]LOL
PLEASE be joking
did you actually play the game or are you just making shit up? because that's a lie. Even if dungeons can get repetitive, they weren't all just auto generated out of random. That's bullshit, and you know it.
and it better be gameplay trailer too[/QUOTE]
they still FELT and LOOKED the same, that's the issue
it's... go down the thing.. the dragur!!!1 ahhh spooky kill them. go through more things. take out your baby map and look at the baby constructed straight line level design! get the chest with subpar semi-randomly generated loot that is 100 times worse than the daedric sword you somehow made by grinding iron daggers for 2 hours, and pull the lever to return to the start. repeat 100x.
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;41086093]they still FELT and LOOKED the same, that's the issue
it's... go down the thing.. the dragur!!!1 ahhh spooky kill them. go through more things. take out your baby map and look at the baby constructed straight line level design! get the chest with subpar semi-randomly generated loot that is 100 times worse than the daedric sword you somehow made by grinding iron daggers for 2 hours, and pull the lever to return to the start. repeat 100x.[/QUOTE]
Let's not forget it's nigh impossible to actually fail a mission, and by extension the game.
[QUOTE=Twipsters;41085015]All these post apocalyptic games are set in America. What about the rest of the world? Hell they [B]talk on and on about how America annexed Canada, but we never get to see what it's actually like there.[/B][/QUOTE]
the entire point of fallout is to take place in a post-apocalypse pseudo-50's america.
having fallout in canada or europe would be like having a GTA game in europe. it just doesn't work.
trying not to throw out a blanket statement here, but i've found that most people on this forum that want fallout to take place in not-america are not americans.
I want a Fallout game set in Brazil so it would look exactly the same.
[QUOTE=FFStudios;41085288]brilliant; let's start the game in boston and the brunt of the game is how you trek across apocalyptic america on your way to San Fransisco. that would kick too much ass.[/QUOTE]
How about Seattle? I-90 road trip!
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;41086148]
having fallout in canada or europe would be like having a GTA game in europe. it just doesn't work.[/QUOTE]
GTA 1969 worked.
Bad comparison but you're right
if it's boston there better be evil robots in 18th century wigs and blue coats shouting GIVE ME LIBERTY AND GIVE YOU DEATH with laser muskets
[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;41086260]How about Seattle? I-90 road trip![/QUOTE]
can you imagine if they did this? like say they had 5 wastelands the same size and complexity as the wastelands in fo3/nv all connected by the I-90 for you to progress through and explore
i'd fucking die, i wouldn't need a fallout game for 10 years
if it's still on gamebryo it may as well not even exist
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