[QUOTE=Skarr;41090687]You guys make me feel horrible for enjoying Bethesda games.[/QUOTE]
theres nothing wrong with finding enjoyment from something even if its really flawed
i enjoyed skyrim for a bit but its a fuckin awfully designed game i wont lie
[QUOTE=SexualShark;41088728]no[/QUOTE]
I don't know, I think it that it could be extremely refreshing as a Dragonborn-sized DLC. In the lore, Europe degraded into mass anarchy even before the bombs fell, it would be interesting to see how Britain fared without any nuclear bombs dropped all over it.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;41091398]or its about a goofy wasteland full of strange characters set in a unique futuristic model 50s america
also gore[/QUOTE]
That's the Fallout 3 version. Note how New Vegas and Fallout 1 and 2 had very little neo-fifties elements, why? because it was a totally new age. the only fifties stuff were vaults and abandoned cities, both of which were portrayed in dubious lights, and feared by the wastelanders.
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New Vegas had quite a few more neo-fifties elements than FO1/2, but that's simply because the assetbase of FO3 had a lot of it.
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not making out fallout is some incredibly deep sociopolitical literature statement, but the core ideal is "war never changes" and always will be. Not "War never changes.. IN AMERICA!" Besides, there are goofy wastelands outside of America IRL right now. Have you ever fucking [I]been[/I] to Slough?
skyrim was a terrible game with all its crushing mundanity, please hire some actual coders, animators and writers for this one bethesda instead of just getting todd's highschool friends to do the work
[QUOTE=Memobot;41084709]Really like a Resource Wars game. Britain/Europe setting would be nice, just to make a change.[/QUOTE]
Also this thread in a nutshell:
Skyrim is bad
New Vegas is good
And I couldn't agree more.
[QUOTE=Liem;41088842]care to elaborate?[/QUOTE]
britain is probably a fucking crater
why and how could the player character cross the atlantic ocean
wouldn't fit with the narrative because britan would probably have a radically different wasteland. would be too much work just to say "look it's london, look it's big ben!"
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[QUOTE=Drsalvador;41091067]No, no it isn't. Fallout is about how the human conviction never changes despite the circumstances or stakes involved. Even before the Great War, when all of existence and society as we knew it was at stake, War didn't change. Post-war, nothing has changed. People still die for pointless and petty causes. People still threaten eachother with big sticks and trade shiny coins for larger sticks.
That's Fallout. It's about the never-changing beast of War and the human conviction, and it has been since the very first game. You can put that in ANY scenario.
Plus, the devs of the original Fallouts said if they had the money and were allowed to use a new engine, they'd make a pre-war Resource Wars RTS game set in europe.[/QUOTE]
yeah in MURRICA
the country that talks about freedom and being the best country ever, while killing the shit out of people. that's a big thing the writers play off of. britain doesn't have a big stereotype like that so it simply wouldn't work. also american culture and shit. i don't know, freedom.
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[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;41088933]a GTA game could easily work in the UK considering the developers are located in scotland[/QUOTE]
just like how american dad would work in finland, right?
I remember reading that while Britain wasn't as heavily bombed as the US was, it eventually descended into a massive civil war that wiped out a majority of the surviving population.
Still, having a Fallout game in another country other than Mexico just seems... pointless. It's a very American-heavy game and normally other countries are involved to show what their relationships were with the US. (Hint: Not very good.)
[QUOTE=Blooper Reel;41085670]In regards to voice acting, New Vegas also has MORE voice actors by a huge margin.
NV has 12 female voice actors for a majority of generic NPCs. 3 had [i]4.[/i][/QUOTE]
Also, just wanna continue from this - those numbers don't include the specific generic female voice actors for children, old people and ghouls.
This makes FO3's count go up to 9. This makes NV's count go up to [i]20.[/i]
[QUOTE=Blooper Reel;41096161]I remember reading that while Britain wasn't as heavily bombed as the US was, it eventually descended into a massive civil war that wiped out a majority of surviving population.
Still, having a Fallout game in another country other than Mexico just seems... pointless. It's a very American-heavy game and normally other countries are involved to show what their relationships were with the US. (Hint: Not very good.)
Also, just wanna continue from this - those numbers don't include the specific generic female voice actors for children, old people and ghouls.
This makes FO3's count go up to 9. This makes NV's count go up to [i]19.[/i][/QUOTE]
yeah, that's the big point i'm trying to make. patriotic or not, one can agree that america is a much more interesting country for a game to take place in than... scotland or some shit. not because it has prettier geography, a better government, better culture, better food, or whatever, but because american culture is bigger, has more crevices and details that a lot of people know of and can relate to.
when you say "american revolution" people go "yeah, george washington. cool."
when you say "bishops' war" people go "wait what"
Fallout in America. It wouldn't work for me anywhere else. It's so American in setting, concept and philosophical focus that it'd get downright fail if it went to Europe. it would literally stop being Fallout.
also the setting is good too, with all the factions and big towns and shit.
don't know how fallout would do in Britain or Scandinavia or [insert non-american poster's country of origin]
i mean, there would be no NCR, no west coast, no east coast, no brotherhood of steel, no enclave, and pretty sure a plethora of pre-war weapons wouldn't exist in a country with super strict gun laws. again, another american trait that makes fallout fallout
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just like how american dad would work in finland, right?[/QUOTE]
There was a GTA set in London.
But I agree that Fallout wouldn't really work in another country.
Fallout, as in the post nuclear game, won't ever be in anywhere expect North America.
But a game set in the Fallout universe taking place in Europe is not impossible.
[QUOTE=BananaFoam;41085967]Skyrim isn't a bad [I]game[/I]. Even people who hate it cannot say that with a straight face.
The core gameplay, while certainly dumbed down, is still fun. In fact, I felt like Skyrim had the best combat of the series, and leveling wasn't all over the place (people will say I am stupid but it took me almost 2 hours in Oblivion to figure out that I had to sleep to level up). Yhe graphical quality is also very good, just heavily stylized (and unpolished in many cases.)
However, Skyrim is a terrible story and world. So much could have been done but too much effort was placed on making the gameplay and not enough on the game. While fun at first, it got massively repetitive, kind of like Doom 3's jumpscares. When I entered a dungeon, I could literally predict what would happen. I would pull a level, enter a tunnel, the Draugr would reanimate, after killing many Draugr I find the end and fight a big Draugr boss, learn a new word, and get all kinds of loot. Yay.
So Skyrim had all the workings of a good game as far as the core mechanics, and I think people are just hating it because they are bitter oldfags who cannot understand that the game will not return to something like Morrowind, unfortunately. While the game does get easily repetitive and the main story makes no fucking sense in the context of the Elder Scrolls lore, as well as its lack of interesting sidequests, Skyrim is still fun.
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You're right Skyrim isn't a bad game, it's a terrible game. I am honestly shocked when I hear people say that they enjoyed the gameplay in Skyrim.
And no, I don't hate it because I like Oblivion and Morrowind. I honestly think both those games are just as bad or in Morrowinds case even worse in regards to gameplay.
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;41096312]also the setting is good too, with all the factions and big towns and shit.
don't know how fallout would do in Britain or Scandinavia or [insert non-american poster's country of origin]
i mean, there would be no NCR, no west coast, no east coast, no brotherhood of steel, no enclave, and pretty sure a plethora of pre-war weapons wouldn't exist in a country with super strict gun laws. again, another american trait that makes fallout fallout[/QUOTE]
I'd like to think that Neither Britain or Scandinavia will end up so radically antagonistic Since we aren't conditioned since birth to be right and tell everyone else that they're wrong and broken human beings.
I should elaborate: Europe consists of contries that contain each their type of ethnicities and beliefs while USA is a giant mash-up of everything which incites way more conflict. Scandinavia is largely filled with people with Scandinavian background, Britain largely with different celtic and anglo-saxon cultures. Eastern europe with Slavic culture-groups and southern europe with Latin. Each are divided in their own geographical territory with borders and societies. These societies have laws in place that cater to that specific groups culture. Not so in USA and it's what makes it so much more viable as a powder keg. It's why everyone goes on about doomsday prophecies and how everything will go to shit if anything bad ever happens.
[QUOTE=proch;41098174]Europe is probably top notch and civilized in Fallout, why go there[/QUOTE]
p. much. Why should you fear your neighbor when he agrees with you about how the world works, what your kids should know about the world and what kind of god you should brainwash each other with. All is somewhat dandy.
[QUOTE=Bomimo;41096276]Fallout in America. It wouldn't work for me anywhere else. It's so American in setting, concept and philosophical focus that it'd get downright fail if it went to Europe. it would literally stop being Fallout.[/QUOTE]
Europe is probably top notch and civilized in Fallout, why go there
Skyrim wasn't the best Elder Scrolls game around, but if you honestly think it was a giant unplayable piece of shit then you can fuck off and not play my fucking Elder Scrolls games anymore, because you certainly don't deserve to be a fan of the series. Also, Bethesda won't mess with SPECIAL, they're not dumb, and the changes with Skyrim were likely more of an experiment than anything and they may change back or find a middle ground in the next TES game. And lastly, I doubt it'll come to 360/PS3, cross generation release doesn't seem like something Bethesda would do.
[QUOTE=Pretty Obscure;41098224]the changes with Skyrim were likely more of an experiment than anything [/QUOTE]
That's a pretty obscure way of saying "appealing to a wider audience"
i wish that bethesda would make the overworld map and then hand off the writing and mission design to obsidian
because to me new vegas had tons more depth than fallout 3 did but new vegas' wasteland was really boring and ugly. the capital wasteland was way more interesting to me.
if bethesda is good at anything its building atmosphere. they are good at nothing else
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[QUOTE=RichyZ;41085577]except it isnt an opinion that nv is better than 3, its a fact
you can like 3 more than nv
but nv is conceptually and literally better than 3[/QUOTE]
there is literally no such thing as "objective fact" in any sort of art
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;41098914]there is literally no such thing as "objective fact" in any sort of art[/QUOTE]
yes there is
for example if you're comparing games that are very similar and find that one has objectively worse mechanics than the other, that's finding an objective fact in art. to deny art objective worth is to deny it of any real value.
[QUOTE=DOG-GY;41099211]yes there is
for example if you're comparing games that are very similar and find that one has objectively worse mechanics than the other, that's finding an objective fact in art. to deny art objective worth is to deny it of any real value.[/QUOTE]
are there objectively worse mechanics though
im sure that some people would find the way hitman absolution plays to be better than hitman blood money, despite the fact that some people consider it "dumbed down." i enjoy playing skyrim more than oblivion because i find the ai and combat in oblivion to be extremley clunky; however, some people still prefer oblivion's gameplay. even when talking about game mechanics its not always so clear cut.
the only exception i could think of is comparing a game that actually functions to a game that is buggy and crashes to desktop every five minutes. that isnt the case here; we are discussing games whose internal workings are nearly identical.
and you're right, to deny objective worth of art is to deny any real value. thats the point of art. the mona lisa is objectively a piece of canvas and some paint thats all together worth about 5 dollars. the hungarian rhapsody is just some notes written on a piece of paper thats worth about 50 cents. to some people, however, both of these things are priceless, all because of their perceived artistic merit.
Tbh, Fallout imo is really telling a tale of how America's arrogance turns dangerous and transforms it into a shadow of its former self, and it brings the entire planet with it.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;41084715]fallout is about america
end of[/QUOTE]
[url=http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/US_annexation_of_Canada]let's go to canada then[/url]
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no but really Fallout somewhere else [i]can[/i] work
I know I know american 50's pop culture and all that shit but maybe fallout doesn't [I]have[/I] to always be that
don't get me wrong that's a large part of the appeal, but if they want to have a spin-off set in some other country and they can make a game set in the same universe that's fun and interesting and they make it work, why not
Bioshock didn't always have to be about Rapture, and Fallout doesn't always have to be about America
[QUOTE=Mingebox;41084510]Skyrim with guns.[/QUOTE]
You sir, my hopes was raised and you dashed them in a single command. My hat goes off to you
[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;41099932][url=http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/US_annexation_of_Canada]let's go to canada then[/url]
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no but really Fallout somewhere else [i]can[/i] work
I know I know american 50's pop culture and all that shit but maybe fallout doesn't [I]have[/I] to always be that
don't get me wrong that's a large part of the appeal, but if they want to have a spin-off set in some other country and they can make a game set in the same universe that's fun and interesting and they make it work, why not
Bioshock didn't always have to be about Rapture, and Fallout doesn't always have to be about America[/QUOTE]
It's not just 50s pop culture. If you went anywhere else, it'd be more like a boy-scout camping trip in the wilds. Nowhere else got as fucked as China, Russia and USA. and nowhere else has the same potential for social friction. America is ripe with hate and fear. There's hate and prejudices crossing between groups in ways that would never happen anywhere else. Simply because of the cultural diversity and the general way people seem to be conditioned to be the centre of their own universe.
What's accomplished by having a Fallout game in another country, anyways?
It seems like the only reason to have it somewhere else is for the sake of having it somewhere else.
[QUOTE=Wizard of Ass;41084575]Given this is true I really hope they ditch gamebryo.[/QUOTE]
As sucky as gamebyro is and how similar it is to creation.
I would still not mind Fallout4 being on it. The "Creation" Engine seems to run and behave much nicer than GB. Lighting is so much nicer, you don't that that constant overexposed look on textures.
Though if it's 2015, that's a long time for a good upgrade to the engine. I don't see them starting over.
[QUOTE=Brt5470;41100897]As sucky as gamebyro is and how similar it is to creation.
I would still not mind Fallout4 being on it. The "Creation" Engine seems to run and behave much nicer than GB. Lighting is so much nicer, you don't that that constant overexposed look on textures.
Though if it's 2015, that's a long time for a good upgrade to the engine. I don't see them starting over.[/QUOTE]
I'm fine with it as long as they don't tie shadow view distance to shadow quality, thats just stupid.
no matter how bashed skyrim is for its streamlined approach one thing reamins true
there are few games with such beautiful environment as skyrim, i absolutely love tundras and mountains
fuck boston i want california again
[QUOTE=IM BATMAN;41100954]I'm fine with it as long as they don't tie shadow view distance to shadow quality, thats just stupid.[/QUOTE]
True, I hated that. But I guess it was a global shadow resolution and then that is scaled depending on the view distance. And 8192 is roughly the limit before skyrim just stops wanting to behave.
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