[QUOTE=Big Orca;41101177]fuck boston i want california again[/QUOTE]
I like the idea of Obsidian handling the classic locations and Bethesda doing stuff on the east coast. I think Bethesda would piss classic fans off if they did CA.
if the art direction is as bad as it was in skyrim i'll cry
[editline]19th June 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Chicken_Chaser;41101211]I like the idea of Obsidian handling the classic locations and Bethesda doing stuff on the east coast.[/QUOTE]
i like the idea of obsidian handling the everything and bethesda sitting in the corner twiddling their thumbs
The game will take place in Somerville, Cambridge, Arlington (and surrounding areas).
aww, I had my hopes up that they'd actually make a fallout game based in England for a few minutes.
Damn yanks stealing our town and city names
[QUOTE=Big Orca;41101177]fuck boston i want california again[/QUOTE]
East coast in FO fucking blows
All they have is Brotherhood of Steel for Kids and THREEEEE DAWGGGGGGG
[QUOTE=Jund;41101387]East coast in FO fucking blows
All they have is Brotherhood of Steel for Kids and THREEEEE DAWGGGGGGG[/QUOTE]
the writing in FO3 was ass, FNV was tits though
i just want a nice looking ROLE PLAYING GAME that features fallout-style art direction (which FO3 lacked)
i reiterate, [B][I][U]ROLE PLAYING GAME[/U][/I][/B]
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;41099385]are there objectively worse mechanics though
im sure that some people would find the way hitman absolution plays to be better than hitman blood money, despite the fact that some people consider it "dumbed down." i enjoy playing skyrim more than oblivion because i find the ai and combat in oblivion to be extremley clunky; however, some people still prefer oblivion's gameplay. even when talking about game mechanics its not always so clear cut.
the only exception i could think of is comparing a game that actually functions to a game that is buggy and crashes to desktop every five minutes. that isnt the case here; we are discussing games whose internal workings are nearly identical.
and you're right, to deny objective worth of art is to deny any real value. thats the point of art. the mona lisa is objectively a piece of canvas and some paint thats all together worth about 5 dollars. the hungarian rhapsody is just some notes written on a piece of paper thats worth about 50 cents. to some people, however, both of these things are priceless, all because of their perceived artistic merit.[/QUOTE]
i understand your argument, but i will say that we wont agree on this
[QUOTE=Jund;41101387]East coast in FO fucking blows
All they have is Brotherhood of Steel for Kids and THREEEEE DAWGGGGGGG[/QUOTE]
Boston has the mysterious "Institute" and the androids, which I actually want to see. I'm fully expecting a faction that's an android underground railroad.
[QUOTE=Drsalvador;41091067]No, no it isn't. Fallout is about how the human conviction never changes despite the circumstances or stakes involved. Even before the Great War, when all of existence and society as we knew it was at stake, War didn't change. Post-war, nothing has changed. People still die for pointless and petty causes. People still threaten eachother with big sticks and trade shiny coins for larger sticks.
That's Fallout. It's about the never-changing beast of War and the human conviction, and it has been since the very first game. You can put that in ANY scenario.
Plus, the devs of the original Fallouts said if they had the money and were allowed to use a new engine, they'd make a pre-war Resource Wars RTS game set in europe.[/QUOTE]
fallout 1 was about something sure but all the fallouts after that werent really statements as much as they were multimedia pieces where you explore different elements within a framework of gameplay.
fallout 1 can be understood as a fatalist game, in which there are choices laidout but they are largely irrelevant because of the utterly bitter plot twist in the end. id say its one of the first games to actually be about games, where it takes the expected tone of adventure games "conquer a great evil and become a hero" but instead takes it in a realistic direction where the character is condemned for the good that he's done, raising moral questions of what should be done and what is simply good; which is a clear theme throughout the game. its actually quite an important and for a 90s adventure game its a very impressive exploration
what you are describing is the setting of the story but fallout doesnt really have anything to say about war or anything like that. its more asking a question about if war can be good, and if being good is important if its something you have to do.
but fallout 2 wasnt really about anything, fallout 3 was the same idea but drew different conclusions, and i dont have a clue what NV was about. you could easily place those in the context of a different nation or culture.
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;41096089]
yeah in MURRICA
the country that talks about freedom and being the best country ever, while killing the shit out of people. that's a big thing the writers play off of. britain doesn't have a big stereotype like that so it simply wouldn't work. also american culture and shit. i don't know, freedom.
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Only in Fallout 3, and Fallout 3 is an improper representation of the fallout universe.
[editline]21st June 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;41096237]yeah, that's the big point i'm trying to make. patriotic or not, one can agree that america is a much more interesting country for a game to take place in than... scotland or some shit. not because it has prettier geography, a better government, better culture, better food, or whatever, but because american culture is bigger, has more crevices and details that a lot of people know of and can relate to.
when you say "american revolution" people go "yeah, george washington. cool."
when you say "bishops' war" people go "wait what"[/QUOTE]
Now you're just splitting hairs and being flat-out xenophobic.
If a Fallout game were set in England, it would more than likely be the pre-war Resource Wars RTS game they said they wanted to make set in England/Europe. I said this previously, and if you still don't get what I'm saying by that then you're an ingrate.
Fallout in Europe, however, would be tremendously interesting because Europe wasn't really bombed during the Great War, most of Europe devolved into squabbling and bickering civil wars long before 2077. There'd probably be like, functioning cities and towns and shit.
[QUOTE=Bomimo;41097386]I'd like to think that Neither Britain or Scandinavia will end up so radically antagonistic Since we aren't conditioned since birth to be right and tell everyone else that they're wrong and broken human beings.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bomimo;41100663]America is ripe with hate and fear. There's hate and prejudices crossing between groups in ways that would never happen anywhere else. Simply because of the cultural diversity and the general way people seem to be conditioned to be the centre of their own universe.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, maybe cut back on the ridiculous sweeping generalizations just a tad. You're only making yourself look bad.
[QUOTE=Megafan;41124228]Yeah, maybe cut back on the ridiculous sweeping generalizations just a tad. You're only making yourself look bad.[/QUOTE]
So you're telling me that there's no Friction in USA owed to multiculturalism and that this happens so much more than other countries because they're not as diverse at all?
[QUOTE=Drsalvador;41123513][B]Only in Fallout 3[/B], and Fallout 3 is an improper representation of the fallout universe.[/QUOTE]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geLiEiAiQJA[/media]
Guess you just kinda derp-eyes'd for a second there.
[QUOTE=Ray-The-Sun;41124546][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geLiEiAiQJA[/media]
Guess you just kinda derp-eyes'd for a second there.[/QUOTE]
None of the pre-war stuff in FO1 has rampant "AMERICA BURN ALL COMMIES" stuff. The only thing remotely related is the video showing war crimes in annexed canada in the intro. Which doesn't do anything remotely like Liberty Prime, a walking, talking, stars and stripes motherfucker who screams "BETTER DEAD THAn RED" while throwing mini nukes at his enemies.
You could argue that because Washington DC was the very capital of the USA, there was more of that there.
Remember that California is far away from this location and could have developed quite differently.
[QUOTE=Bomimo;41124502]So you're telling me that there's no Friction in USA owed to multiculturalism and that this happens so much more than other countries because they're not as diverse at all?[/QUOTE]
Of course there's ethnic tension in the US, there's ethnic tension in many other parts of the world as well. What I take issue with is the claim that Americans are "conditioned from birth to be self-centered" or whatever other rubbish you're selling.
[QUOTE=proch;41098174]Europe is probably top notch and civilized in Fallout, why go there[/QUOTE]
All top notch and civilized, post nuclear holocaust, would be really disconcerting and uncomfortable. Like Bioshock 1 when you got this massive sophisticated "city of the future" and it turns out to be really god damn scarifying. Or you could go with the classic "hey welcome to our perfect little town without any horrific murderous secrets, enjoy your stay :) "
[QUOTE=Megafan;41125692]Of course there's ethnic tension in the US, there's ethnic tension in many other parts of the world as well. What I take issue with is the claim that Americans are "conditioned from birth to be self-centered" or whatever other rubbish you're selling.[/QUOTE]
Well i'm sorry. I'd recorrect that to some Americans. No matter how you cut it, Ego-vision came from you guys. Jersey Shore, MTV and all of that other shit that makes ignorant ego-centric 35 yearold teens into superstars and icons. Your sub-urb culture in certain parts that put the ego of the gang-leader before anything else. There are things in your country that we just don't have here.
But you're right. The "'Mericans r all dumbass gangsta hipsters" wording kinda breaks any attempt at making a point.
Also, you invented Southern accents and "Billy-Bob-Ray-Stu". Much of the stuff that MAKES fallout work is inherently American in nature. If we're gonna be realistic here, Scandinavia would probably have seriously huge Viking and Old norse cults going on.
I'd like to retract my other argument about what europe would be like and say: Europe in a post-apocalypse setting would probably be the dark ages with guns. Lord knows we already have had enough Dark Ages set games.
Am I the only one that wants a fallout game set in a post apocalyptic Russia? IIRC The nuclear was was between both countries right? It's not out of the question that Russia woulda had vaults.
[QUOTE=Ven Kaeo;41128597]Am I the only one that wants a fallout game set in a post apocalyptic Russia? IIRC The nuclear was was between both countries right? It's not out of the question that Russia woulda had vaults.[/QUOTE]
Every Post-apocalyptic game ever is already set in russia and it's boring as hell. I also hate those goddamn fake accents.
[QUOTE=Ven Kaeo;41128597]Am I the only one that wants a fallout game set in a post apocalyptic Russia? IIRC The nuclear was was between both countries right? It's not out of the question that Russia woulda had vaults.[/QUOTE]
no, the Great War was mostly between the US and China. how on earth did you miss that huge detail
[QUOTE=Drsalvador;41123513]Only in Fallout 3, and Fallout 3 is an improper representation of the fallout universe.
[editline]21st June 2013[/editline]
Now you're just splitting hairs and being flat-out xenophobic.
If a Fallout game were set in England, it would more than likely be the pre-war Resource Wars RTS game they said they wanted to make set in England/Europe. I said this previously, and if you still don't get what I'm saying by that then you're an ingrate.
Fallout in Europe, however, would be tremendously interesting because Europe wasn't really bombed during the Great War, most of Europe devolved into squabbling and bickering civil wars long before 2077. There'd probably be like, functioning cities and towns and shit.[/QUOTE]
i'm an ingrate xenophobe for saying that fallout would only really work in the US, because that's the place where the entire universe is centered around?
people in the mojave haven't contacted people in europe. they don't fucking care. europe is probably so radically different from the US in the fallout universe that you could hardly call it a Fallout game.
plus, you lose out on a ton of plot elements and environmental shit, like, no mojave, no capital wasteland, no zion valley, no big MT, no new vegas, none of those huge ass highways with trade routes, no NCR, etc etc.
Fallout's lore and story has been mostly based around what happens in America. There's barely anything to go off of from the rest of the world. Hell, if Beth Game Studios wanted to, they could do a whole bunch of stuff and create tonnes of lore about Europe. (albeit it probably won't fit the rest of the lore already set in stone by Interplay.)
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;41135719]i'm an ingrate xenophobe for saying that fallout would only really work in the US, because that's the place where the entire universe is centered around?
people in the mojave haven't contacted people in europe. they don't fucking care. europe is probably so radically different from the US in the fallout universe that you could hardly call it a Fallout game.
plus, you lose out on a ton of plot elements and environmental shit, like, no mojave, no capital wasteland, no zion valley, no big MT, no new vegas, none of those huge ass highways with trade routes, no NCR, etc etc.[/QUOTE]
And just imagine what they could show us with a proper engine not limited by 2005 hardware. They're always going to have more cool things to show in America.
[QUOTE=Ven Kaeo;41128597]Am I the only one that wants a fallout game set in a post apocalyptic Russia? IIRC The nuclear was was between both countries right? It's not out of the question that Russia woulda had vaults.[/QUOTE]
It was between China and America. In the Fallout universe, Russia and the US never had tensions.
[editline]22nd June 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=milkandcooki;41135719]i'm an ingrate xenophobe for saying that fallout would only really work in the US, because that's the place where the entire universe is centered around?
people in the mojave haven't contacted people in europe. they don't fucking care. europe is probably so radically different from the US in the fallout universe that you could hardly call it a Fallout game.
plus, you lose out on a ton of plot elements and environmental shit, like, no mojave, no capital wasteland, no zion valley, no big MT, no new vegas, none of those huge ass highways with trade routes, no NCR, etc etc.[/QUOTE]
You TOTALLY IGNORED MY POINT, so yes, you ARE an ingrate.
My point was that they stated that if they made a fallout game set in England or Europe, it would be a [HIGHLIGHT]PRE-WAR[/HIGHLIGHT] RTS based around the [B][url=http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Resource_Wars]Resource Wars[/url][/B]. They said this themselves, That they'd love to make a game set around it.
This means that if there WAS a European FO game, it wouldn't even have the mojave or capital wasteland or big MT anyway, why?
[B]Because it would be pre-war.[/B]
Heres the deal.
China is out of the question 100%. It's literally a huge glowing green crater, as is large chunks of the countries surrounding it.
U.K. is doing WORSE than The Capitol Wasteland. So bad that a man named Mr. Tenpenny fixed a plane, flew all the way to America and set up a huge high class hotel.
Chances are smaller countries like Italy or Rome or Bulgaria would be nuked so hard there is nothing left due to their size.
So what's left on the plate? Africa? How would that work at all?
Russia? Maybe, but not likely.
Australia? They've already got man-sized scorpions and bitter wasteland.
The only alternate location really feasible is Canada due to the annexation plot point and already close relation with America.
Having a Fallout game set somewhere else outside of North America would just be weird because that's not how it's set up to work. It's not really Fallout anymore. How can you fit what makes Fallout what it is in another setting without having a huge weird disconnect? You might as well call it a new IP.
[editline]22nd June 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Drsalvador;41136795]
You TOTALLY IGNORED MY POINT, so yes, you ARE an ingrate.
My point was that they stated that if they made a fallout game set in England or Europe, it would be a [HIGHLIGHT]PRE-WAR[/HIGHLIGHT] RTS based around the [B][url=http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Resource_Wars]Resource Wars[/url][/B]. They said this themselves, That they'd love to make a game set around it.
This means that if there WAS a European FO game, it wouldn't even have the mojave or capital wasteland or big MT anyway, why?
[B]Because it would be pre-war.[/B][/QUOTE]
All this is kind of beside the point. It wouldn't be Fallout 4 or 5 or 6, it would just be some offshoot of the series. The only reason that resource wars RTS could work anyway is because it's already removed from Fallout and set around a plot point so far back it doesn't matter. In fact why not just rename it completely because why have the Fallout name in it aside from brand recognition?
China is indeed gone considering the USA would probably bomb the fuck out of them since they hated them so much.
Isreal/middle-east were already bombed before the Great War.
Europe was fucked indeed but who says that everything got fucked up like in UK, besides if an old man like Tenpenny could survive in UK, maybe it wasn't that bad and maybe he just fled because someone wanted him dead?
A FO franchise game in Europe? Very unlikely. A FO UNIVERSE game in Europe could be well a possibilty just like other regions.
They should have done Chicago. It would be cool to see a metropolis that is not completely destroyed. Imagine walking down the empty streets between towering buildings.
[QUOTE=Drsalvador;41136795]It was between China and America. In the Fallout universe, Russia and the US never had tensions.
[editline]22nd June 2013[/editline]
You TOTALLY IGNORED MY POINT, so yes, you ARE an ingrate.
My point was that they stated that if they made a fallout game set in England or Europe, it would be a [HIGHLIGHT]PRE-WAR[/HIGHLIGHT] RTS based around the [B][url=http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Resource_Wars]Resource Wars[/url][/B]. They said this themselves, That they'd love to make a game set around it.
This means that if there WAS a European FO game, it wouldn't even have the mojave or capital wasteland or big MT anyway, why?
[B]Because it would be pre-war.[/B][/QUOTE]
if it was a pre-war game i don't think it would be called "fallout"
you know what nuclear fallout is, right?
I hope the engine isn't clunky and awful this time
[QUOTE=Bomimo;41134541]Every Post-apocalyptic game ever is already set in russia and it's boring as hell. I also hate those goddamn fake accents.[/QUOTE]
STALKER - near Pripyat, Chernobyl, Ukraine
Metro 2033 - Moskow (?) Well definitely somewhere in Russia, i agree
Gears of War - USA?
Darksiders - Not Russia definitely
The Walking Dead - USA
Half Life 2 - Eastern Europe
Fallout - USA
out of those i only count one in Russia. But I absolutely agree on the retarded accents, its easier to play with a Russian Voiceover/English subtitles.
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