Outrage in Taiwan over students' Nazi display at cosplay event - Polidicks

I don't see anything wrong with dressing in a Nazi uniform or any other uniform, we can't cater to everyone who feels offended or we might as well ban all uniforms, Jewish people should not be treated differently from anyone else.

[QUOTE=Chryseus;51585552]I don't see anything wrong with dressing in a Nazi uniform or any other uniform, we can't cater to everyone who feels offended or we might as well ban all uniforms, Jewish people should not be treated differently from anyone else.[/QUOTE] Honestly though, being offended by people dressing up as Nazis isn't exactly overly sensitive trigger warning sjw tier.. Like previously mentioned, nazis still exist today (although obviously not the same kind) and I've met people who are the sole survivors of their family from nazi concentration camps. A Nazi uniform is not like "any other uniform". I'm pretty sure nobody would be that cool about schools dressing up as KKK or whatever else there is in terms of costumes of horrible human atrocities in the west from the 1900's either

I'd make a point about dressing as KKK but I don't care.

[QUOTE=Tobylol;51585565]Honestly though, being offended by people dressing up as Nazis isn't exactly overly sensitive trigger warning sjw tier.. Like previously mentioned, nazis still exist today (although obviously not the same kind) and I've met people who are the sole survivors of their family from nazi concentration camps. A Nazi uniform is not like "any other uniform". I'm pretty sure nobody would be that cool about schools dressing up as KKK or whatever else there is in terms of costumes of horrible human atrocities in the west from the 1900's either[/QUOTE] Well it's not like they're trying to be Neo-Nazis so as far as I'm concerned it should be ignored. Unless someone is trying to actively incite violence I don't see the issue, regardless of what you dress up as some person is likely to be offended.

I really don't like this for various reasons. But at the same time if Prince Harry can dress up as a Nazi for a costume party then a bunch of schoolchildren in Taiwan sure as shit can.

[QUOTE=Radical_ed;51585036]Individual pirates were just as bad as individual SS soldiers, perhaps worse.[/QUOTE] Leave it to Facepunch to see that somehow pirates were just as bad as the fucking SS...

[QUOTE=Firestarfk;51585651]Leave it to Facepunch to see that somehow pirates were just as bad as the fucking SS...[/QUOTE] You wouldn't download a Jew...

[QUOTE=Firestarfk;51585651]Leave it to Facepunch to see that somehow pirates were just as bad as the fucking SS...[/QUOTE] Considering that pirate lifestyle was a choice while people were forced to be SS in some instances...

You people realize there's good pirates in popular media right??? I don't see any swashbuckling SS Heerführers going on adventures to defeat evil ghosts and steal their treasure. Even as absurdly funny as the idea might be it'd be kinda inappropriate, don't you think? Oh yeah also Caribbean Pirates haven't been a thing for around 300 years too.

[QUOTE=BF;51584554]They are wearing Nazi swastikas and that kid is doing the damn Hitler salute. There's nothing 'bad ass' about that. The kind of display that the kids are doing is the exact kind of desensitisation to Nazi Germany that the world [i]does not[/i] need. Hitler and Nazi Germany should stay where they belong - in history books (taught to all students) and museums.[/QUOTE] I don't believe in that at all.

[QUOTE=Chryseus;51585598]Well it's not like they're trying to be Neo-Nazis so as far as I'm concerned it should be ignored. Unless someone is trying to actively incite violence I don't see the issue, regardless of what you dress up as some person is likely to be offended.[/QUOTE] This "people are offended by everything so whatever" narrative just doesn't apply when you're talking about dressing up as a nazi.. A nazi uniform is not just like any other costume dude, come on. The point is that it is insensitive to normalize, make light of and even to a degree idolize a political ideology which promotes genocide towards certain groups of people. Regardless of your intention, you can't just dress up as something so politically charged without it being some type of statement.

[QUOTE=Tobylol;51586928]This "people are offended by everything so whatever" narrative just doesn't apply when you're talking about dressing up as a nazi.. A nazi uniform is not just like any other costume dude, come on. The point is that it is insensitive to normalize, make light of and even to a degree idolize a political ideology which promotes genocide towards certain groups of people. Regardless of your intention, you can't just dress up as something so politically charged without it being some type of statement.[/QUOTE] And even with the whole 'Wehrmacht / Waffen SS uniforms look cool' argument, are the Nazi swastikas, as a symbol of everything awful that Nazi Germany had ever done, really necessary? I wouldn't have [i]that much[/i] of a problem with this cosplay if they omitted the swastikas (and the Hitler salute), and simply celebrated the uniform as aesthetically pleasing. But saying that, I would still have a problem with it. I have a feeling that everyone in this thread who has been saying how cool this cosplay looks, wouldn't dare comment the same if this was instead a thread on Facebook, where all of their friends, family and colleagues (if they're old enough to work) could see their comments.

[QUOTE=mchapra;51584636]You're thinking of Thailand, which has Nazi themed cafes[/QUOTE] i was told by the thais i was with at the full moon party it wasnt cool to paint a hindu swastica and in 4 months i never saw a cafe like that and i didnt just visit tourist areas. i did see these in a pattaya mall though, i thought they were pretty badass but not worth 10k฿ [t]http://i.imgur.com/JBKPF11.jpg[/t] i might be wrong but dont a lot of Taiwanese support Japanese occupation and activities in ww2?

[QUOTE=CruelAddict;51586057]Considering that pirate lifestyle was a choice while people were forced to be SS in some instances...[/QUOTE]not always. captured ship crew were sometimes given the choice between joining the pirates and death.

[QUOTE=krail9;51584846]leave it to fp of all places to see no issue with this :v:[/QUOTE] FP is a hive mind again? As probably already said, the context is historical and humorous, not ideological and serious, so there should be no issue. Upholding nazis as a taboo only makes them seem scary and powerful, which is a bad thing if you want to discourage people glorifying them.

[QUOTE=Tobylol;51586928]This "people are offended by everything so whatever" narrative just doesn't apply when you're talking about dressing up as a nazi.. A nazi uniform is not just like any other costume dude, come on. The point is that it is insensitive to normalize, make light of and even to a degree idolize a political ideology which promotes genocide towards certain groups of people. Regardless of your intention, you can't just dress up as something so politically charged without it being some type of statement.[/QUOTE] I doubt a few people dressed up as Nazi soldiers will normalize it, when there are countless films and games that feature Nazi's that are much more in the public view, we would not even be hearing about this if Israel didn't make a fuss. Dressing up in a uniform doesn't mean you believe in what it represents, most people just do it for a laugh, dressing up in a communist uniform for instance doesn't mean that person supports communism, you'd have to be some kind of idiot to think that. As for it being insensitive the war has been over for more than 70 years, you don't see people outraged at cartoons that make fun of last weeks attack in Berlin.

You know it was not that bad until i watched the video and the announcer at the scene yelled to the students [B]"Salute or they will take you to the gas chambers!"[/B] [video=youtube;IU5YalY1CuE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IU5YalY1CuE[/video] and by the way, the guy in the tank is their homeroom teacher. [I]Was.[/I] Their principal resigned, the government is going to give them less financial help on scolarships and shit BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE. ALSO, at the same school, same event, some other class dressed up as victims of the Musha incident (Taiwanese natives and Japanese that got massacred in the 1930s) [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musha_incident[/url] [img]http://attach.azureedge.net/newsimages/2016/12/26/756929-XXL.jpg[/img] [img]http://attach.azureedge.net/newsimages/2016/12/26/756930-XXL.jpg[/img] So yeah, I think they deserve all the shit thrown at them. For embarrassing Taiwan. And also, we aren't obsessed with Nazis, I think all they thought is that German uniforms are cool, and that's it. I love how people just dig up all these old histories about the KMT and assume because we were helped by Germany before it and Japan became allies in WWII = we are obsessed with Nazis

[QUOTE=Mr.Brown;51587439]You know it was not that bad until i watched the video and the announcer at the scene yelled to the students [B]"Salute or they will take you to the gas chambers!"[/B] [/QUOTE] And that's when Facepunch realised they were wrong.

[QUOTE=DogGunn;51587906]And that's when Facepunch realised they were wrong.[/QUOTE] Totally applicable in the context of us being a hive mind, sadly we're not. Honestly i don't see much issue with this, sure it's in poor taste but I don't think we should allow our western mindset get in the way of the fact that this is harmless. They're not rallying anti-Semites trying to make a statement, they're highschoolers who are detached from the issues that we perceive from this. If we didn't have literally 5 some odd years of Holocaust curriculum in our schools, I'm sure there'd be a lot less people outraged over this. It's a pretty clear parody with a lot of work put into it, can't say I wouldn't have joined in if I had their upbringing

I can't believe people are comparing dressing as a Nazi to dressing as a pirate. 1. Pirates were not an ideology, they were opportunist criminal bands mostly. 2. Pirates for the most part didn't really have an end-goal or plan of any sort. 3. Pirates for the most part targeted people not based on their personal aspects such as religion or ethnicity, but rather based on whatever would provide them with the most loot or be the easiest target. 4. There aren't any "pirate survivors" (assuming we're talking about stereotypical "yarr" pirates and not "I'm the captain now" pirates) currently living. Also the reenactment argument is fucking dumb too. People who do reenactments (mostly) aren't glorifying a specific ideology, but rather are dressing up so to historically portray an event. In many ways they are doing the same thing as actors in a war film. The Genghis Khan argument also has little validity since there aren't a lot of people out there who want to systematically rape and pillage Eurasia while screaming whatever the fuck they used to scream out on the steppes. There still are a lot of people though (although a minority, enough to organize, which is a scary amount) who favor the Nazi ideology and want to persecute Jews, homosexuals, Gypsies, etc. You're delusional if you think this was even remotely okay to do. I'm not even one of those people who thinks we should ban being a Nazi or wearing a swastika, I just think if you do this shit you should be publicly shamed for doing so because it is not in anyway acceptable in this context. Nazi symbols shouldn't be used and treated as "fun" things.

[QUOTE=matt000024;51588179]I can't believe people are comparing dressing as a Nazi to dressing as a pirate. 1. Pirates were not an ideology, they were opportunist criminal bands mostly. 2. Pirates for the most part didn't really have an end-goal or plan of any sort. 3. Pirates for the most part targeted people not based on their personal aspects such as religion or ethnicity, but rather based on whatever would provide them with the most loot or be the easiest target. 4. There aren't any "pirate survivors" (assuming we're talking about stereotypical "yarr" pirates and not "I'm the captain now" pirates) currently living. Also the reenactment argument is fucking dumb too. People who do reenactments (mostly) aren't glorifying a specific ideology, but rather are dressing up so to historically portray an event. In many ways they are doing the same thing as actors in a war film. The Genghis Khan argument also has little validity since there aren't a lot of people out there who want to systematically rape and pillage Eurasia while screaming whatever the fuck they used to scream out on the steppes. There still are a lot of people though (although a minority, enough to organize, which is a scary amount) who favor the Nazi ideology and want to persecute Jews, homosexuals, Gypsies, etc. You're delusional if you think this was even remotely okay to do. I'm not even one of those people who thinks we should ban being a Nazi or wearing a swastika, I just think if you do this shit you should be publicly shamed for doing so because it is not in anyway acceptable in this context. Nazi symbols shouldn't be used and treated as "fun" things.[/QUOTE] One might argue that treating them as "fun" things helps reducing their legitimacy. Nobody's gonna turn a nazi because they saw someone dressing up in SS uniform and doing a nazi salute. Especially in a "hey this is just a thing I'm cosplaying as" context. I'd even argue that treating these things as "fun" things helps reduce the legitimacy of real nazi's. There's nothing to indicate that they're "glorifying" nazi ideology like you say. Calling others delusional and saying they should be publicly shamed for not adhering to your subjective moral values is asinine.

[QUOTE=*Freezorg*;51588192]One might argue that treating them as "fun" things helps reducing their legitimacy. Nobody's gonna turn a nazi because they saw someone dressing up in SS uniform and doing a nazi salute. Especially in a "hey this is just a thing I'm cosplaying as" context. I'd even argue that treating these things as "fun" things helps reduce the legitimacy of real nazi's. There's nothing to indicate that they're "glorifying" nazi ideology like you say. Calling others delusional and saying they should be publicly shamed for not adhering to your subjective moral values is asinine.[/QUOTE] Thank you, I couldn't have said this better

[QUOTE=matt000024;51588179]I can't believe people are comparing dressing as a Nazi to dressing as a pirate. 1. Pirates were not an ideology, they were opportunist criminal bands mostly. 2. Pirates for the most part didn't really have an end-goal or plan of any sort. 3. Pirates for the most part targeted people not based on their personal aspects such as religion or ethnicity, but rather based on whatever would provide them with the most loot or be the easiest target. 4. There aren't any "pirate survivors" (assuming we're talking about stereotypical "yarr" pirates and not "I'm the captain now" pirates) currently living. Also the reenactment argument is fucking dumb too. People who do reenactments (mostly) aren't glorifying a specific ideology, but rather are dressing up so to historically portray an event. In many ways they are doing the same thing as actors in a war film. The Genghis Khan argument also has little validity since there aren't a lot of people out there who want to systematically rape and pillage Eurasia while screaming whatever the fuck they used to scream out on the steppes. There still are a lot of people though (although a minority, enough to organize, which is a scary amount) who favor the Nazi ideology and want to persecute Jews, homosexuals, Gypsies, etc. You're delusional if you think this was even remotely okay to do. I'm not even one of those people who thinks we should ban being a Nazi or wearing a swastika, I just think if you do this shit you should be publicly shamed for doing so because it is not in anyway acceptable in this context. Nazi symbols shouldn't be used and treated as "fun" things.[/QUOTE] whether or not it is okay, offensive, or insensitive is up to you to decide, but i didn't bring up the pirate comparison to justify it as okay, rather to explain the thought processes they might be having when they did this. when i see the video and the pictures, i don't see people who truly agree with and believe in the ideals of the nazi party, i see people who saw nazis and thought "woah those guys are badasses and so cool!" in the same way someone might think cannibal corpse lyrics are badass. these people likely don't actually want white racial supremacy and the total extermination of the jews and other untermensh in much the same way the latter people likely don't actually want to violently murder people, fuck their corpse, then eat their flesh. [editline]27th December 2016[/editline] that there are people who do legitimately believe in nazi ideology still around today likely doesn't come into the equation for them. the most they're guilty of are being edgy, insensitive dumbasses, imo

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51587216]Also who was forced into the SS again? Not all SS were 100% subscribed to the Nazi ideology, there were people seeking an easier way to higher military positions for example, but I havent ever heard of anyone being forced into it.[/QUOTE] [url]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malgr%C3%A9-nous[/url]

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51587216]Also who was forced into the SS again? Not all SS were 100% subscribed to the Nazi ideology, there were people seeking an easier way to higher military positions for example, but I havent ever heard of anyone being forced into it.[/QUOTE] [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waffen-SS_foreign_volunteers_and_conscripts]Waffen SS foreign volunteers and conscripts[/url]

[QUOTE=Chryseus;51587306]I doubt a few people dressed up as Nazi soldiers will normalize it, when there are countless films and games that feature Nazi's that are much more in the public view, we would not even be hearing about this if Israel didn't make a fuss. Dressing up in a uniform doesn't mean you believe in what it represents, most people just do it for a laugh, dressing up in a communist uniform for instance doesn't mean that person supports communism, you'd have to be some kind of idiot to think that. As for it being insensitive the war has been over for more than 70 years, you don't see people outraged at cartoons that make fun of last weeks attack in Berlin.[/QUOTE] Yeah I would have to be an idiot to equate communist costumes to nazi costumes, however the obvious difference is that while communism promoted a political ideology which got many people killed as a byproduct, the nazis legit were all about ethnic genocide. People are still alive from that era today, and people still actively use the Swastika as a symbol for white supremacy. I'm not saying you shouldn't be allowed to dress up as a nazi if you feel like it, but it is no surprise that some people are offended considering historical context. Especially in cases where it obviously isn't satirical per se but more along the lines of "wow look how cool and badass nazis were".

Seems like they massively disrespected Nazis and the Nazi image, which I'm all for. What I'm not for is disrespecting the victims too.

[QUOTE=Tobylol;51588561]Yeah I would have to be an idiot to equate communist costumes to nazi costumes, however the obvious difference is that while communism promoted a political ideology which got many people killed as a byproduct, the nazis legit were all about ethnic genocide. People are still alive from that era today, and people still actively use the Swastika as a symbol for white supremacy. I'm not saying you shouldn't be allowed to dress up as a nazi if you feel like it, but it is no surprise that some people are offended considering historical context. Especially in cases where it obviously isn't satirical per se but more along the lines of "wow look how cool and badass nazis were".[/QUOTE] Seeing as they were goofing off the whole time I think it was pretty clearly in parody Idk why you guys all assume otherwise, do you need to be monty Python to have any credibility or something

[QUOTE=mchapra;51584636]You're thinking of Thailand, which has Nazi themed cafes[/QUOTE] Don't you mean Indonesia

[QUOTE=Mr.Brown;51588693]Don't you mean Indonesia[/QUOTE] I might be wrong then