"Clinton aides blame loss on everything but themselves" - Polidicks

how can they not have learned their lesson that this is exactly why they lost?

People didn't like hillary, they liked obama and liked him enough to give a candidate they didn't like very much a go hilary was the establishment candidate back in 08 and obama did what sanders couldn't and created the upset that made him president. Despite all the shit the DNC is pulling, I can't help but respect obama

It's also worth mentioning that right now they might be going through denial. One day they might admit that they caused it, but not right now.

[QUOTE=FlandersNed;51351571]It's also worth mentioning that right now they might be going through denial. [B]One day[/B] they might admit that they caused it, but not right now.[/QUOTE] Hopefully they survive the impending effects of severe and unchecked Climate Change long enough to reach that point.

I mean if more than 20% of millenials voted maybe Hillary would've won but, we didn't.

I hope the Clintons never get involved in politics ever again.

[url]http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/305339-clinton-world-dumbfounded-by-hillarys-election-defeat[/url] [QUOTE] “It was a mismanaged campaign from the start, 150 percent,” one aide said. “There was so much stuff that needed fixing. I thought we might have learned some lessons from the primary. But as you can tell from last night, probably not.” Less than 24 hours after the mood at the Clinton election night party at the Jacob Javits Convention Center turned from celebratory to funereal, aides wondered how they could have lost so badly, why they didn’t see it coming, and how the Democrat could have lost to Trump. [B]One surrogate blamed the poor sampling models and analytics that the campaign was so reliant on. It hadn’t done traditional tracking polls [U][I]for the last month.[/I][/U][/B] [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51351495]That's not really a response dude. That's just like "Nah I don't wanna deal with your actual thought out responses, just memes please". You don't get to make a post saying that the nation needs to start healing while talking about how you're crying tears of sadness while then turning around and doing the exact shit you just talked against. [editline]10th November 2016[/editline] I mean I'm sick and fucking tired of you people calling me a shill when I never even was that big of a fan of hilary to begin with, it was always the "nevertrump" thing for people like me, but I can't even be left to have my own opinion without people telling me what it is that's not healing or helping and to say "Too many" were genuine clinton supporters without wanting to deal with the fact that many weren't isn't helpful.[/QUOTE] What you're doing will make people never change or listen to you. I know it's been crazy, but if anything this is a huge insight on whats wrong with not only America, but the world as a whole and it starts with these kinds of conversations and discussions.

[QUOTE=choco cookie;51351694]What you're doing will make people never change or listen to you. I know it's been crazy, but if anything this is a huge insight on whats wrong with not only America, but the world as a whole and it starts with these kinds of conversations and discussions.[/QUOTE] So I'm at fault? I'm the problem? Oh that's wonderful. He gets to say i'm a shill until the cows come home, but I can't point out how him, or others doing that is just as harmful becasue god fucking forbid, people like you will come out and tone police me for that too! Jesus, this year keeps getting better and better with more and more people so convinced that they know the "Real problem". The real problem is a lot bigger

I think it really came down to tone. Trump's campaign was a one of optimism. MAGA and all that. Meanwhile Clinton's was one of desperation. "She's earned it, Trump supporters are deplorable, she's the only one who can stop him." Then you factor in her and Kaine's appalling charisma and it made people not enthusiastic or hopeful at all.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51351705]So I'm at fault? I'm the problem? Oh that's wonderful. He gets to say i'm a shill until the cows come home, but I can't point out how him, or others doing that is just as harmful becasue god fucking forbid, people like you will come out and tone police me for that too! Jesus, this year keeps getting better and better with more and more people so convinced that they know the "Real problem". The real problem is a lot bigger[/QUOTE] If you would listen to people then you would know that I never stated you're the problem, but that you are part of it as much as he is. There isn't a right side and a wrong side. You need to accept your mistakes just as much as he would. I would rather tell you to this advice than him because I feel like it would be less wasted on you with how involved you are. I'm not trying to state I know exactly whats wrong, but I am willing to talk about and find out and find a good equal ground between both sides. It obviously shows you can't just win with one side of America.

[QUOTE=choco cookie;51351761]If you would listen to people then you would know that I never stated you're the problem, but that you are part of it as much as he is. There isn't a right side and a wrong side. You need to accept your mistakes just as much as he would. I would rather tell you to this advice than him because I feel like it would be less wasted on you with how involved you are. I'm not trying to state I know exactly whats wrong, but I am willing to talk about and find out and find a good equal ground between both sides. It obviously shows you can't just win with one side of America.[/QUOTE] I am as well, I have no idea what gives off the impression I don't. I am listening to people. I am calmer than I have been in weeks. I am however, not going to just sit on my hands while people continue to create false narratives. I can't. How I stop those without upsetting anyone, I really don't think that's possible.

[QUOTE=1legmidget;51351227]The most frustrating part is that so many people within the DNC went on and on and on about how much was at stake this election. They campaigned on fear. They insisted that it was simply too dangerous to let an outsider like Sanders run during the primaries. Every time we would bring up how Sanders beats out Trump in match-ups we would get shouted down. Every time we would bring up Clinton's scandals or the neglect of the rust belt we'd get told to fuck off. You can go look at 538's Florida polling aggregate and see how Clinton tanks the week after she appointed Debbie a position in her campaign. Clinton made terrible move after terrible move despite the evidence being right in front of her. If they actually cared about the issues they were campaigning on why would they fucking let her do all of this shit? The issues they said were at stake simply didn't matter to the elites. They didn't give a shit that many LGBT people are probably going to end up with less rights. They didn't give a shit about dealing with climate change or making sure people got a living wage. They didn't give a shit about people crushed under student debt. The only thing they cared about was lining their pockets and advancing their careers. Now we've got the perfect opportunity to take their party from them.[/QUOTE] And that's the thing with hillary and friends. They just spout the party politics, while using it as a vehicle for their own power and their own ambition. That's why she's such a chronic liar, she changes the tune to suit not just what's popular widely, but what's popular in that room. And that was her downfall, even if only barely. This is why democracy works. Less and less every day, but it's still here doing it's job

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51351847]I am as well, I have no idea what gives off the impression I don't. I am listening to people. I am calmer than I have been in weeks. I am however, not going to just sit on my hands while people continue to create false narratives. I can't. How I stop those without upsetting anyone, I really don't think that's possible.[/QUOTE] It is very much possible. You have to talk to the other person in a sense that you are interested in listening to them and ready to discuss the topic at hand with an open-mind. You can always make sure they're telling the truth at certain subjects, but you don't use that as fuel to attack them, but rather to educate. My dad is die hard republican. I debate with him all the time as we don't really have the same mind sets as each other, but we both never have the goal to argue, but to rather come to an equal ground. When we finish we state what we agree and we both feel content and have a much better understanding of each other or better yet on the same side. That should be the goal. To understand, because not only does it help you understand the other person, but even your own stance. But be willing to learn and to accept when you're wrong and to help the other person do that too. Don't make it hard for them. You have one part of debating down, now you just need the mannerisms. I'm sure that you've done some of this and this doesn't really go to just you, but a very large multitude of people in here. I know I'm not the best debater, but I've learned a large amount and I'm always willing to donate my wisdom on the subject so that we can truly progress at the core fundamentals first.

[QUOTE]“It was a mismanaged campaign from the start, 150 percent,” one aide said. “There was so much stuff that needed fixing. I thought we might have learned some lessons from the primary. But as you can tell from last night, probably not.” Less than 24 hours after the mood at the Clinton election night party at the Jacob Javits Convention Center turned from celebratory to funereal, aides wondered how they could have lost so badly, why they didn’t see it coming, and how the Democrat could have lost to Trump. One surrogate blamed the poor sampling models and [B]analytics[/B] that the campaign was so reliant on. It hadn’t done traditional tracking polls for the last month.[/QUOTE] Jesus Christ it must of been bad, In opposite effect, near the end Trump DID get a full on working data team, After The Second Comey incident in October, Trump's Data Team noticed Enthusiasm Jumped of his voters went up.

You fucked up. You ignored your own party, and the direction the country was heading. Take some blame. It's your fault you dismissed half your party as being unrealistic. They didn't go away. It's your fault you spent so much time attacking Trump supports as deplorable. Turns out insulting people doesn't work. I'm still seeing it, even on this forum. You forced us to vote for a candidate that Democrats couldn't get excited about. Bernie drew crowds. I got my parents to go to a Sanders rally and listen to him speak. They've been Republicans their whole lives. I spent the rest of the general election trying to defend Clinton, when I wasn't even sure I wanted to vote for her myself. They both went Trump. I just hope this is a wake-up call.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51351705]So I'm at fault? I'm the problem? Oh that's wonderful. He gets to say i'm a shill until the cows come home, but I can't point out how him, or others doing that is just as harmful becasue god fucking forbid, people like you will come out and tone police me for that too! Jesus, this year keeps getting better and better with more and more people so convinced that they know the "Real problem". The real problem is a lot bigger[/QUOTE] Lmao I didnt even call you a shill once in this thread. All I said was that too many people supported clinton instead of another person. That isn't condescending or rude or anything. That is just a opinion. You are making a big deal over nothing. This thread was pretty peaceful and respectful until you started ranting and personally attacking me. Also when I said unity, that means respecting others opinions and discussing them in a civil manner. Not lashing out all angry when somebody says something you disagree with. Way to go shitting up the thread. But im willing to believe this is just a simple misunderstanding so I'm sorry if I offended you as it was not my intention. Can we carry on please?

[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qe2_uKyfi7E[/media] Basically sums up how I feel.

[QUOTE=Jouska;51352033]Lmao I didnt even call you a shill once in this thread. All I said was that too many people supported clinton instead of another person. That isn't condescending or rude or anything. That is just a opinion. You are making a big deal over nothing. This thread was pretty peaceful and respectful until you started ranting and personally attacking me. Also when I said unity, that means respecting others opinions and discussing them in a civil manner. Not lashing out all angry when somebody says something you disagree with. Way to go shitting up the thread. But im willing to believe this is just a simple misunderstanding so I'm sorry if I offended you as it was not my intention. Can we carry on please?[/QUOTE] I feel like you brushed off both my initial post that you responded to, and my admittedly over reaction of a post. I asked how many you thought genuinely supported her, to which you gave what I would say is a unfair answer. None of us wholeheartedly supported her. Take that from someone who has been called a shill repeatedly. I didn't, I don't, and couldn't support her if her opponent wasn't Trump. I feel like your initial response wasn't one that invited discussion and instead was quite divisive so I blew up on you. My apologies if you are sincere in your intent to have a real discussion.

[QUOTE=Jouska;51352033]Lmao I didnt even call you a shill once in this thread. ... Way to go shitting up the thread. But im willing to believe this is just a simple misunderstanding so I'm sorry if I offended you as it was not my intention. Can we carry on please?[/QUOTE] You're really not helping with comments like this. Tone does matter to a point and you're coming across as hypocritical and/or condescending. [QUOTE]All I said was that too many people supported clinton instead of another person.[/QUOTE] Also you still have yet to actually address the point he was trying to make in response to your original comment on this part which is clearly part of the reason he's acting so frustrated. It seems like you're not taking him seriously which is only inflaming the situation.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51352072]I feel like you brushed off both my initial post that you responded to, and my admittedly over reaction of a post. I asked how many you thought genuinely supported her, to which you gave what I would say is a unfair answer. None of us wholeheartedly supported her. Take that from someone who has been called a shill repeatedly. I didn't, I don't, and couldn't support her if her opponent wasn't Trump. I feel like your initial response wasn't one that invited discussion and instead was quite divisive so I blew up on you. My apologies if you are sincere in your intent to have a real discussion.[/QUOTE] Its all good bro no worries next time I will be a bit clearly. By too many just think of it like 1 is too many, didnt mean to make it sound like most people on here actually liked hillary or anything. I know most would have rather had bernie instead. Or atleast I think they would. [editline]11th November 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Alice3173;51352080]You're really not helping with comments like this. Tone does matter to a point and you're coming across as hypocritical and/or condescending. Also you still have yet to actually address the point he was trying to make in response to your original comment on this part which is clearly part of the reason he's acting so frustrated. It seems like you're not taking him seriously which is only inflaming the situation.[/QUOTE] Yeah you right. Im sorry.

Everyone here did like Bernie more again aside from proboardslol. But Bernie did not win the popular vote. And yes, we know why, but by the time we knew the effects that caused his loss it was legally too late to remove Clinton and replace her on the ballot. Pragmatism requires me at least to say she's better than trump, thus nevertrump [editline]10th November 2016[/editline] Trump is poised to give major positions away to cronies much the same way Clinton would have so it's hard to seriously argue anyone wins in any situation there but due to Trumps very nature he disgusted me so much I couldn't support him at all. Clinton I can at least know is publicly hated enough to be watched like a hawk where there are genuine trump lovers who won't care if he abuses people.

[QUOTE=gk99;51351610]I mean if more than 20% of millenials voted maybe Hillary would've won but, we didn't.[/QUOTE] Y'know what, maybe they would have gotten out and voted if the Clinton campaign had devoted even a tiny sliver of time to [I]actually inspiring people to fucking vote[/I] Even the most positive aspects of the Clinton campaign were still hostile and divisive and pessimistic. The biggest contributor to Trump's victory was the fucking Clinton campaign Think back to the primaries and how the way Sanders supporters were painted over with a broad brush as being Bernie bros, a bunch of sexist, misogynist, racist, white men who just couldn't stand the idea that a woman might be the nominee. The constant insistence that Sanders was a bad choice, because he just wasn't realistic as a candidate for this that and the other reason[I]. [/I]The consistently sketchy handling of the votes and the blatantly obvious bias towards Clinton Think back to the persistent alienation of [B][U][I]thirteen million registered democrats [/I][/U][/B]who came out of the primaries with a bitter taste in their mouth, feeling ignored and betrayed, and then compound that alienation with the nonstop media circus surrounding Clinton in the following months, and no shortage of the DNC's corruption as well. Most notably the evidence that they never expected nor intended Sanders to ever win the nomination And it just never got better from there, the Clinton campaign just doubled down on the divisiveness. 'I'm with her!" and if you're not, you're sexist, you're misogynist, you're just another one of those stupid Bernie bros who's just mad that there's going to be a woman in the white house! Take that, men! Even when the Clinton campaign wasn't being actively divisive there was still constant alienation of prospective voters like the shady fundraisers and speeches behind closed doors apparently catering to a financial and political elite scaring away what little support she might have had left from the blue collar working Americans that Bernie had polled so positively with The Clinton campaign has inspired so little confidence in their voter base and alienated and divided so much of their voter base that the biggest enemy of the Clinton campaign in this election was the Clinton campaign They practically gave the fucking election away, because they were so god damn arrogant, because they were so fucking smugly certain that they had the deck stacked in their favor that they didn't even need to try [editline]Fuck all this noise[/editline] Like I really cannot sum up just how disappointed I am with the democratic party as a whole and the Clinton campaign especially. This election has not gone to Trump because of the strength of Trump's campaign, it has gone to Trump because of the [I]weakness[/I] of the Clinton campaign Just take Facepunch alone as a convenient and familiar example, think back over the last few months and try and think of the amount of people who supported Hillary purely out of confidence in her abilities as an effective leader, and while you're at it, think about the way they treated anyone who remained bitter over the results of the primaries and how derisive they were about those who wouldn't wholeheartedly go along with the results I'm willing to bet it's a pretty fucking short list when you compare it to the amount people who argued in favor of Hillary not because they had faith in her campaign and her potential as president but because [I]at least she was not Trump[/I], at least she would not be as bad as Trump in X Y or Z regard And more often than not they weren't even arguing against those in favor of Trump, they were arguing with [I]other Democrats[/I], whose confidence had been so thoroughly undermined by the handling and results of the primaries, Democrats who, again, felt disenfranchised and alienated. The constant underhanded and combative tactics fractured the party to an unbelievable extent and burned bridges the whole way along, utterly convinced that they had the election in the bag. Sanders supporters, moderates, the undecided, they were all left out in the cold because they figured just couldn't lose, they had the establishment candidate, what could possibly go wrong? I know I'm repeating myself some, but I think it bears repeating just how much of a goddamn mess the Clinton campaign was. They practically [I]embraced[/I] the alienation of voters at every opportunity, every new criticism, concern, complaint, and doubt was derisively dismissed in this or that way

[QUOTE=Raidyr;51350872]It's official: I'm fucking done with the DNC and with Clinton. I'm at the point where I outright regret my vote. Trump is a disaster waiting to happen but that doesn't justify using my democratic voice to support these hacks. After this entire response to their crushing loss and particularly what[URL="http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/clinton-fundraising-leaves-little-for-state-parties-222670"] TheJoey linked in another thread[/URL] I can't support this anymore. I'm sorry to srobins and some other people for being so stubborn on this point. You were all right, and I was wrong. I wish I could say I was paid to shill as hard as I did but that's not even true. I just invested way too much energy in defending a monstrous abomination of American politics.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Sam Za Nemesis;51350908]It makes me glad to read this, hopefully more people realize this and vote for a real option in the next elections, this one has been a disaster but at least we've avoided a Clinton presidency followed by a complete disaster with her sphere of influence Trump's presidency will be very polarized from beginning to end and most people are done with the DNC after what they've pulled this cycle, hopefully by the next election a strong third party can arise not led by this disgusting political elite[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=srobins;51351095]Donald Trump hasn't even been inaugurated yet and he's already bringing us together, it's like a Christmas miracle. This is the part where I apologize for being a bullheaded cunt whenever the DNC was brought up, sorry everybody (especially Raidyr). Here's to 4 more years of shitposting.. together.[/QUOTE] God damn shit after following these election threads for the past year and taking in all the vitriol and anger it stirred up, these posts are absolutely [i]therapeutic[/i]. I can practically feel my stomach ulcers melting away.

I mean, I was barely with the DNC at all, nor Clinton, I did not like Clinton at all, I just have democratic values, so of course I'd go with the candidate that supported the values I like. But damn if this doesn't make me a bit more depressed about the future, because if the DNC can't get its act together, and start shoveling out these insiders who think it's everyone elses fault but their own, it's going to be 8 years of misery.

What the fuck is the DNC doing? Host of uncontrollable headwinds? Soldier of a candidate? Are they actually going to try to double down on this shit like it didn't already cost them the election? They poured all of the funds intended to go to the state parties into stopping Sanders, they pushed this abhorrent fucking He-man Bernie Bro Defiler of Women narrative into every media outlet they could twist to their needs after Sanders was already down and out, they intentionally built up Trump, they campaigned relentlessly for a woman who everyone already thought was shady as fuck and who lied compulsively about the most easily disproved shit, they never offered anything resembling a fucking olive branch to anyone they alienated, driving away the actual progressives in their base, and now they're not even going to pretend that they learned anything at all? What the actual fuck are they doing?

[QUOTE=BlindSniper17;51351362]Bernie Sanders has already set up [url]https://ourrevolution.com[/url] if you are wanting to get involved. You can sign up for their mailing list, and I believe some of the emails you get are tailored to local events and local elections. Perhaps people could start a bigger push for reform within the DNC? It's like Obama said in one of his last speeches before Trump won - it just takes one voice in a room to start something bigger. [media]https://twitter.com/ABCPolitics/status/795757489660706817[/media][/QUOTE] I hadn't seen that video, or heard that story before. I really enjoyed hearing his story, and I found it funny, and inspiring. It's a strange feeling though, watching it -after- the election, and knowing that it didn't change anything. I don't know.

fuck hillary clinton and fuck the DNC. they knew clinton was a horrible candidate and intentionally helped legitimize trump because they thought he was the only person she could win against. i'm really glad that rude sexist sanders didn't win, even if we have donald fucking trump as the president at least a woman got the nomination for once! fuck that rapist bill and fuck the republican party too.

Yeah, it's confirmed, we're doomed to 8 years of Trump. American democracy is broken, thanks to both the DNC and GOP.

Fucking enough. What can we actually do to stop this. It's ridiculous. What is the real-world solution to this headache-inducing bullshit? What is there that I and my idiot friends can get together and do to ensure these motherfucking cunts get what's coming to them?