"Clinton aides blame loss on everything but themselves" - Polidicks

[quote]others blamed Bernie Sanders for “poisoning” millennial voters who never came back on board.[/quote] what a disaster, holy shit

This article made me completely disgusted after having read through it and maybe Trump really did deserve to win if this was the kind of opponent he was facing. The only reason I supported Hillary was "because she wasnt Trump" and nothing more. If you're that dismissive about what amounts to the biggest section of the voting population, they're going to simply turn their support and their votes to whoever isnt being so dismissive, and traditional supporters will be either too disgusted to vote for you or won't vote for anybody at all especially if they feel their votes won't make any difference in the election, so they'll vote for a third party candidate instead simply because the other two were simply not in alignment with the political and moral views the voter holds. Clinton's arrogance has come home to roost for everybody now with four years of Donald Trump.

Because admitting that you've made a mistake is a career suicide for a politician! Never admit anything! Blame everyone else! Oh wait, Hillary's unelectable now, gj.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;51350872]It's official: I'm fucking done with the DNC and with Clinton. I'm at the point where I outright regret my vote. Trump is a disaster waiting to happen but that doesn't justify using my democratic voice to support these hacks. After this entire response to their crushing loss and particularly what[URL="http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/clinton-fundraising-leaves-little-for-state-parties-222670"] TheJoey linked in another thread[/URL] I can't support this anymore. I'm sorry to srobins and some other people for being so stubborn on this point. You were all right, and I was wrong. I wish I could say I was paid to shill as hard as I did but that's not even true. I just invested way too much energy in defending a monstrous abomination of American politics.[/QUOTE] I'm really glad to see you write this. Realizations like this can only help in reforming the left into the movement I used to believe in.

Lol, did anyone actually read the article? Bill regularly told people at their campaign meetings they were not in touch with working class white voters but everyone dismissed his comments as a changing demographic landscape for the party. [editline]11th November 2016[/editline] This is fucking delusional however: [quote]The sense inside Clinton headquarters on Thursday, as aides packed up their desks and munched on free tacos and brownies, was that the Democratic nominee did not deserve to lose to a man that only 30 percent of the country thought was qualified to be president and that it ultimately came down to white working class voters rejecting her because she was a woman.[/quote]

The DNC needs to have all of its top brass purged. Keith Ellison needs to become the party chair - that would be the first step to a Berniecrat progressive takeover of the DNC and a 2020 victory. The entirety of the Congressional Progressive Caucus needs to absolutely dominate leadership in the DNC. Keith Ellison, Raul Grijalva, Luis Gutierrez, Jared Polis, Barbara Lee, Michael Honda, Peter Welch, and of course Bernie Sanders. Toss in certain other figures like Tulsi Gabbard, Tammy Duckworth, Sherrod Brown, and multiple Senate figures (like Bernie) and you could have an enormous leftward populist shift that amounts to Bernie's takeover of the party. If Keith Ellison becomes DNC chairman, 2020 will look good. Purge the party elites and rally behind a political movement that had enormous populist appeal with a solid candidate like Gabbard and the Rust Belt will get delivered to the Progressive Democrats by a landslide. Pennsylvania sure as hell won't flip in 2020, unless the DNC fails to admit their enormous mistake and allow a progressive takeover.

I defended Clinton heavily once Bernie lost because I sincerely believed that Trump would be the worst thing that could possibly happen to the US. as it stands, I still don't believe she would have been a bad president - and I still believe she would have been an infinitely superior president to Trump. now, after this hideous event, I can speak freely - I am fucking furious that the DNC pushed her so hard and shut out Bernie. if I was an american I would absolutely have voted for him in the primary. I was rooting for him hard and when Clinton won I despaired. they should have seen the writing on the wall. I am not convinced that Bernie would have stormed to inexorable victory like some people think (anyone remember his "whites don't know poverty" gaffe? I bet you didn't!) but he was [B]the [/B]candidate for this election. we were denied him, essentially by a band of conspirators. for everyone despairing for our political futures after a Trump victory - please remember that [B]fewer people voted for him than did Romney.[/B] Clinton actually won the popular vote despite having atrocious final numbers. the voting population of the US is a fraction of the total population. just look at this fucking graph: [IMG]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cw1bPulWEAAXOsL.jpg:large[/IMG] Trump was absolutely nothing special, comparatively. this was the DNC's failure for fielding Clinton. [editline]11th November 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=TheHydra;51352933]fuck hillary clinton and fuck the DNC. they knew clinton was a horrible candidate and intentionally helped legitimize trump because they thought he was the only person she could win against. i'm really glad that rude sexist sanders didn't win, even if we have donald fucking trump as the president at least a woman got the nomination for once! fuck that rapist bill and fuck the republican party too.[/QUOTE] this whole Bernie bros/accusations of sexism thing is massively overblown. Bernie did not lose because his supporters were called sexist, he lost because the DNC rigged the entire primary to high fucking hell at least a year in advance. [editline]11th November 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Pitchfork;51353043]Fucking enough. What can we actually do to stop this. It's ridiculous. What is the real-world solution to this headache-inducing bullshit? What is there that I and my idiot friends can get together and do to ensure these motherfucking cunts get what's coming to them?[/QUOTE] write furious communications to the DNC

Can't find an article online but the weekend edition of USA Today has a story talking about how Clinton’s campaign didn't even attempt to campaign in midwest rust belt states because they just assumed they would carry the votes that Obama did.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;51353931]Can't find an article online but the weekend edition of USA Today has a story talking about how Clinton’s campaign didn't even attempt to campaign in midwest rust belt states because they just assumed they would carry the votes that Obama did.[/QUOTE] Fucking speechless. Complacency, entitlement, hubris, Clinton really has it all.

Don't get me wrong: I still feel that Trump winning was the worst possible outcome- but i'd be lying if I said I would have been happy for you guys getting lumped with a Clinton presidency. This election was like all of the terrible aspects of politics in general got into two teams and ran against each other. Maybe next time they should get a candidate that people actually like instead of relying on the (completely justified) dislike for the other shitty candidate to win them the day.

Every american I know ended up either voting third party or not voting at all. They all dislike Trump, but they dislike Hilary even more. Nobody wanted to give her the time of day and it kinda speaks volumes. Most of America just didn't want her. I remember watching the primaries with a couple of them and they were shocked the whole way through Especially when they bought Sarah Silverman on and she just said that berniebros were 'ridiculous'

Sarah Silverman can go fuck off back to whatever couch crease she found a home in. Just such a fucking joke with how complacent Clinton got thinking that celebrity endorsements and relying on Obama would somehow speak to disenfranchised working class voters in places like Michigan. Hell, I remember an article on here that mentioned she was already choosing the furniture for her Oval office 2 months before the election was over.

all the "SJWs" I know voted for bernie or expressed a wish to vote bernie not that anyone's currently blaming them for this here, but I just want to say it

Her entire campaign reeked of laziness the entire way through. Her rallies were about as bog standard as they get, nothing too controversial, but also nothing of note. Her coverage with these rallies was lacking somewhat fiercely. The reliance on pointing out flaws with trump (rightfully so mind you) over finding ways to actually connect her genuinely helpful policies to groups. Her staff were complacent. I don't regret defending her from abject lies ("SHE LAUGHED ABOUT DEFENDING A RAPIST!!! ", " she had people killed!!! ", " benghazi!! "). It was incredibly dishonest behaviour and incredibly easy to disprove. I still think she's the stronger of the two for president. Bernie would have been much better, certainly. But throwing her under the bus just to spite the DNC when Pence has a chance at power wasn't the solution to the problem either. I'm just quite disappointed in how an agency with access to a lot more information about this election than the public managed to think they could be so careless. Hopefully the DNC undergoes drastic reform thanks to this.

[QUOTE=Turnips5;51354305]all the "SJWs" I know voted for bernie or expressed a wish to vote bernie not that anyone's currently blaming them for this here, but I just want to say it[/QUOTE] Most of the big mouth "twitter sjws" seemed to buy into the bernie bros thing, it was marketed pretty strongly towards them after all. I can imagine the "general population" of people that sometimes get called "sjws" was more towards bernie since he had real policy backing him up and a history of supporting gay rights and stuff, wheras clinton just changed because it was popular.

Will supporters and the media defend the DNC despite what they did, and cause the same people to pull the same thing next election?

[QUOTE=MasterKade;51354511]Will supporters and the media defend the DNC despite what they did, and cause the same people to pull the same thing next election?[/QUOTE] At this rate, probably. Word has it they want to push Tim Kaine for 2020. Guess who was the former head of DNC before stepping down to let D.W.S take the position - you guessed it, Tim Kaine.

Who'd would have [I]possibly[/I] thought demonizing and attacking white people whilst they still make up a majority of the voting base would be a mistake?

[QUOTE=BlindSniper17;51354545]At this rate, probably. Word has it they want to push Tim Kaine for 2020. Guess who was the former head of DNC before stepping down to let D.W.S take the position - you guessed it, Tim Kaine.[/QUOTE] why why why I don't mind Tim Kaine but jesus christ the man is not presidential candidate material. His debate performance was pretty bad and he comes across as your friend's awkward dad.

[QUOTE=BlindSniper17;51354545]At this rate, probably. Word has it they want to push Tim Kaine for 2020. Guess who was the former head of DNC before stepping down to let D.W.S take the position - you guessed it, Tim Kaine.[/QUOTE] Does the DNC want to keep giving elections to the Republicans?

[QUOTE=Mattk50;51354341]Most of the big mouth "twitter sjws" seemed to buy into the bernie bros thing, it was marketed pretty strongly towards them after all. I can imagine the "general population" of people that sometimes get called "sjws" was more towards bernie since he had real policy backing him up and a history of supporting gay rights and stuff, wheras clinton just changed because it was popular.[/QUOTE] fair enough, but I never once saw anyone on my feed buy into the "bernie bros" thing. amongst feminists, everyone wanted bernie - that's just how I experienced it. I saw like two people on r/shitredditsays talk about sexist bernie bros before the whole thing was over and we gritted our teeth and decided that clinton would not be "that bad". ugh.

[QUOTE=bdd458;51354709]Does the DNC want to keep giving elections to the Republicans?[/QUOTE] Turns out it's not Trump that's a plant by the DNC, it's the other way around :v:

I don't know if this has been posted yet, but it feels like a small summation of some the things discussed here [video=youtube;GLG9g7BcjKs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLG9g7BcjKs[/video]

[QUOTE=hexpunK;51354322] Hopefully the DNC undergoes drastic reform thanks to this.[/QUOTE] It won't. I don't know much about the specifics of the American political bureaucracy and if it even has specifics, but just in general failures like this are either processed and reacted to instantly or never. Judging from the initial reaction, it doesn't look too good. Bureaucracy is change-resistant, political bureaucracy - even more so, and what's worse - it requires a lot of will to initiate the change, something that, as these elections have demonstrated, is lacking. I remember tons of people believing that Trump would apparently bring a change to the Republican party (they'll get divided, suffer through crisis and all that jazz) and it didn't happen - case in point, adaptability. The DNC has collectively shit its pants by going with Hillary, and they continued shitting their pants throughout the whole campaign by, well, not having any campaign beyond underhanded, half-hearted, half-assed cookie-cutter "presidential campaign 101, 1980s edition" weak shit that predictably didn't work. It's a result of either a) being clinically delusional beyond anything electroconvulsive therapy could fix, or b) being defiantly arrogant, and the possibility of a huge party's nominating body's top brass being severely mentally ill seems just a little less likely than Trump's presidency seemed to be a couple weeks ago. It's broken, burn it down, start from page one.

Don't forget that the Clintons felt so entitled to the presidency, they felt comfortable breaking various rules and/or lying because Hillary's only competition was Trump. [B][URL="http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-03-10/did-hillary-clinton-break-the-democratic-presidential-debate-rules"]Did Hillary Clinton Cheat During the Democratic Debate?[/URL][/B] [media]https://twitter.com/edhenry/status/707788419703951360[/media] [B][URL="http://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/blog/2016/03/01/bill-clinton-massachusetts-voting-laws/"]Did Bill Clinton, Mayor Walsh Break Massachusetts Voting Laws for Hillary?[/URL][/B] [QUOTE] With just a few hours left before polls close this Super Tuesday, Democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton and husband Bill Clinton have been criss-crossing Massachusetts to round up enough votes to edge out Sen. Bernie Sanders, who previously led Clinton in the mostly white, progressive Bay State. The former president was spotted in the Newton Free Library in Newton, as well as the Holy Name gymnasium in West Roxbury—both polling locations. He was joined at the latter by Boston Mayor Marty Walsh, a Clinton supporter. [/QUOTE] [B][URL="http://www.mediaite.com/online/hillary-where-was-bernie-during-my-health-care-fight-sanders-camp-literally-behind-you/"]Hillary: Where Was Bernie During My Health Care Fight?; Sanders Camp: Literally Behind You[/URL][/B] [media]https://twitter.com/cascamike/status/708714719675199488[/media]

[QUOTE=download;51353123]Lol, did anyone actually read the article? Bill regularly told people at their campaign meetings they were not in touch with working class white voters but everyone dismissed his comments as a changing demographic landscape for the party. [editline]11th November 2016[/editline] This is fucking delusional however:[/QUOTE] I didn't reject her because she has a vagina. I rejected her because she has an asshole where her brain should be. [editline]11th November 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=MasterKade;51354511]Will supporters and the media defend the DNC despite what they did, and cause the same people to pull the same thing next election?[/QUOTE] You can bet CNN ABC and MSNBC will.

Talk about counting your eggs before they hatch! [media]https://twitter.com/CNN/status/796466143301136384[/media] [B]Hillary Clinton cancels plans for election night fireworks - POSTED [U][I]NOV 7, 2016[/I][/U][/B] [QUOTE] Undeterred by the fact that the [B]election hasn’t actually happened yet[/B], the Clinton campaign is already planning a “triumphal” fireworks celebration over the Hudson River, where she and running mate Tim Kaine will bask in the pyrotechnic glory of American democracy [...] According to the Post, “law enforcement officials and the FDNY have been told to prepare for a barge-launched pyrotechnic display off Manhattan’s Javits Center,” [B]where Clinton and Kaine will be awaiting their victory under a literal glass ceiling.[/B] The fireworks will last for two minutes, and could start as early as 9:30 p.m., which, for those keeping track, is just half an hour after the polls close in New York. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=MasterKade;51354511]Will supporters and the media defend the DNC despite what they did, and cause the same people to pull the same thing next election?[/QUOTE] I'm already hearing it from Democrats I try to talk to. They are toeing the party line: She was a great candidate with a great strategy, it was just that America has too many bigots and racists and that's why she lost.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;51355215]I'm already hearing it from Democrats I try to talk to. They are toeing the party line: She was a great candidate with a great strategy, it was just that America has too many bigots and racists and that's why she lost.[/QUOTE] Even if they [I]were[/I] right, blaming what happened on circumstances outside of their control is just masturbatory excuse making. If they don't stop being so fucking delusional, they're fucked.

[QUOTE=Johnny Joe;51354817]I don't know if this has been posted yet, but it feels like a small summation of some the things discussed here [video=youtube;GLG9g7BcjKs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLG9g7BcjKs[/video][/QUOTE] Masterfully said on his part. Thanks for sharing that video.