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[QUOTE=Dori;36680048]because they're male power fantasies created by men for men[/QUOTE] Literally the exact same thing could be said for women in games, but for good looks.

[QUOTE=Dori;36680083]that is a direct result of misogyny[/QUOTE] sanius i'm having a hard time understanding your point so could you please give me a hypothetical situation that would falsify what you're saying I want to see where the boundary of "X is misogynistic but Y isn't" would be drawn

I might be going on a bit of a pseudo-Freudian tangent, but the real problem I have with feminism is that they tend to portray women being treated as being lesser 'beings' than men, in a society where men dominate everything and women supposedly stand at the sidelines. At first glance they seem to have a point, but when you consider the situation further you quickly realize that it's women who dominate society, and not men. It may not be in a way that they find preferable, but ever since the stone-age, women have been the cornerstone of mankind and its society. Women, with their gift of childbirth, are a priceless commodity in a world where everyone wants to pass on their genes. We're all hardwired to have that as our prime lifegoal, even if our consciousness and life as it is tends to 'complicate things' and make life out to seem like something way more important than it actually is. Like I already said, in a society like that women become a priceless commodity. Compare it to the animal kingdom with it's alpha male and its harem. Women are so important that its only natural for them to be objectified. They're like the great big prize in the competition we call life. Sex is obviously a part of that, because that's the act with which we pass out genes. In that light, the so called "rape culture" also becomes easy to explain. Like with all other things with great value, criminals will attempt to steal it. Raping a women can thus be seen as a form of theft of this value. Please understand that I am in no way trying to justify rape in whatever form, I'm just trying to explain rape in our society and how calling it a "rape culture" is (IMO) wrong and failure to look at the big picture. TL;DR At the end of the day we are just animals with our urges and instincts. Females represent great value to our race, and thus it is 'natural' for us to objectify and protect this resource. All the problems feminists have with society stem from this 'core-issue', and it is something that most likely will never change.

[QUOTE=Mr. Smartass;36680045] Almost everyone disagrees with them, and they ARE extreme.[/QUOTE] [b]YOU AREN'T SAYING ANYTHING[/b]

[QUOTE=Loriborn;36680099]Um, when did man create all these fantasies of power and prestige, because they, like the attraction of women to status and strength, have been around since the dawn of man.[/QUOTE] explain to me why matriarchal societies exist and cultures which prefer lean and weak men

[QUOTE=V12US;36680109]I might be going on a bit of a pseudo-Freudian tangent, but the real problem I have with feminism is that they tend to portray women being treated as being lesser 'beings' than men, in a society where men dominate everything and women supposedly stand at the sidelines. At first glance they seem to have a point, but when you consider the situation further you quickly realize that it's women who dominate society, and not men. It may not be in a way that they find preferable, but ever since the stone-age, women have been the cornerstone of mankind and its society. Women, with their gift of childbirth, are a priceless commodity in a world where everyone wants to pass on their genes. We're all hardwired to have that as our prime lifegoal, even if our consciousness and life as it is tends to 'complicate things' and make life out to seem like something way more important than it actually is. Like I already said, in a society like that women become a priceless commodity. Compare it to the animal kingdom with it's alpha male and its harem. Women are so important that its only natural for them to be objectified. They're like the great big prize in the competition we call life. Sex is obviously a part of that, because that's the act with which we pass out genes. In that light, the so called "rape culture" also becomes easy to explain. Like with all other things with great value, criminals will attempt to steal it. Raping a women can thus be seen as a form of theft of this value. Please understand that I am in no way trying to justify rape in whatever form, I'm just trying to explain rape in our society and how calling it a "rape culture" is (IMO) wrong and failure to look at the big picture. TL;DR At the end of the day we are just animals with our urges and instincts. Females represent great value to our race, and thus it is 'natural' for us to objectify and protect this resource. All the problems feminists have with society stem from this 'core-issue', and it is something that most likely will never change.[/QUOTE] gee these sure are a lot of words that some man is using to say "It's natural and it will never change so you guys should just, like give up and stop trying, bro." Hint: (that's a terrible thing to say and if you actually took the time to learn about feminist social critique then you'd find out that your theory that you just made up is wrong.)

[QUOTE=Dori;36680083]that is a direct result of misogyny[/QUOTE] And men having to be a bear-mauling hulk or they are useless is not discriminatory? Also no, it's not a result of misogyny it's the result of being human. Our point in life is to procreate, therefore being hot and being able to chose whatever (and how many) partners you wish is completely normal for our brain to desire.

[QUOTE=V12US;36680109] All the problems feminists have with society stem from this 'core-issue', and it is something that most likely will never change.[/QUOTE] The issue comes up when people in this thread seem to think that just because we live in a modern society, we are somehow no longer animals, and can/should change our instincts.

[QUOTE=V12US;36680109]I might be going on a bit of a pseudo-Freudian tangent, but the real problem I have with feminism is that they tend to portray women being treated as being lesser 'beings' than men, in a society where men dominate everything and women supposedly stand at the sidelines. At first glance they seem to have a point, but when you consider the situation further you quickly realize that it's women who dominate society, and not men. It may not be in a way that they find preferable, but ever since the stone-age, women have been the cornerstone of mankind and its society. Women, with their gift of childbirth, are a priceless commodity in a world where everyone wants to pass on their genes. We're all hardwired to have that as our prime lifegoal, even if our consciousness and life as it is tends to 'complicate things' and make life out to seem like something way more important than it actually is. Like I already said, in a society like that women become a priceless commodity. Compare it to the animal kingdom with it's alpha male and its harem. Women are so important that its only natural for them to be objectified. They're like the great big prize in the competition we call life. Sex is obviously a part of that, because that's the act with which we pass out genes. In that light, the so called "rape culture" also becomes easy to explain. Like with all other things with great value, criminals will attempt to steal it. Raping a women can thus be seen as a form of theft of this value. Please understand that I am in no way trying to justify rape in whatever form, I'm just trying to explain rape in our society and how calling it a "rape culture" is (IMO) wrong and failure to look at the big picture. TL;DR At the end of the day we are just animals with our urges and instincts. Females represent great value to our race, and thus it is 'natural' for us to objectify and protect this resource. All the problems feminists have with society stem from this 'core-issue', and it is something that most likely will never change.[/QUOTE] this is too simplistic [editline]8th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Dori;36680112]explain to me why matriarchal societies exist and cultures which prefer lean and weak men[/QUOTE] which?

[QUOTE=acds;36680120]And men having to be a bear-mauling hulk or they are useless is not discriminatory? Also no, it's not a result of misogyny it's the result of being human. Our point in life is to procreate, therefore being hot and being able to chose whatever (and how many) partners you wish is completely normal for our brain to desire.[/QUOTE] Exactly. You can't have it both ways.

[QUOTE=Loriborn;36680124]The issue comes up when people in this thread seem to think that just because we live in a modern society, we are somehow no longer animals, and can/should change our instincts.[/QUOTE] well yeah we should try to overcome our instincts, but we do have to acknowledge they're there in the first place

[QUOTE=acds;36680120]And men having to be a bear-mauling hulk or they are useless is not discriminatory?[/QUOTE] It's discriminatory against women. Male social prescriptions are based on misogyny. Misogyny hurts men and women both.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;36680161]It's discriminatory against women. Male social prescriptions are based on misogyny. Misogyny hurts men and women both.[/QUOTE] how is it not discriminatory against men I honestly do not understand this yeah I get how it's misogynistic but I don't know why it's not misandrist at the same time fucking hell why are you rating me dumb for asking a question, it's like you want me to remain ignorant

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;36680161]It's discriminatory against women. Male social prescriptions are based on misogyny. Misogyny hurts men and women both.[/QUOTE] So wait, men being portrayed as a living sex symbol with all the attributes that our society values today is sexist against women, and women being portrayed the same way is sexist against women?

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;36680147]well yeah we should try to overcome our instincts, but we do have to acknowledge they're there in the first place[/QUOTE] Aside from anything else, we need to determine what is an instinct and what is a learned behavour first - although there is overlap, as many instincts are basically firmware that is flashed in the early stages of life - for example, certain ones pertaining to food safety.

[QUOTE=V12US;36680109]They're like the great big prize in the competition we call life.[/QUOTE] it's not like women have lives or anything :l

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;36680178]how is it not discriminatory against men I honestly do not understand this yeah I get how it's misogynistic but I don't know why it's not misandrist at the same time[/QUOTE] You can not discriminate against men, apparently.

[QUOTE=Jeep-Eep;36680183]Aside from anything else, we need to determine what is an instinct and what is a learned behavour first - although there is overlap, as many instincts are basically firmware that is flashed in the early stages of life - for example, certain ones pertaining to food safety.[/QUOTE] well this can be found out empirically, it's just a question of grant money

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;36680147]well yeah we should try to overcome our instincts, but we do have to acknowledge they're there in the first place[/QUOTE] Well we did that fucking 50 years ago. You're not the first person to come up with that genius, "hey, what about, like, evolution, bro?" argument. In every fucking argument about feminism on this forum and anywhere else on the internet anywhere ever someone does the exact same, empty, noncommittal "b-but evolution" shtick and it never accomplishes anything. You're not revealing some amazing, overlooked knowledge by being a pedant about what our "instincts" are. You don't need to do that every time. You can set the baton down, bro. We don't need you to kindly inform us of something that is either of no consequence or an already-accepted premise. [b]YOU'RE NOT SAYING ANYTHING[/b] [editline]8th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;36680178]how is it not discriminatory against men I honestly do not understand this yeah I get how it's misogynistic but I don't know why it's not misandrist at the same time[/QUOTE] it's not misandrist because it doesn't originate from anti-male attitudes, it's a consequence of anti-female attitudes that men have to be providers.

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;36680197]well this can be found out empirically, it's just a question of grant money[/QUOTE] And technique. And to have good technique in these matters, you need to have a careful inventory of ones biases.

[QUOTE=acds;36680190]You can not discriminate against men, apparently.[/QUOTE] So let me get Dori's theory about sexuality straight: Men created male sex symbols in romantic movies for women to be attracted to so they could make money off of them. This apparently doesn't affect us normal guys, because we all have 6 packs and are obviously not at all offended by this portrayal of men in the media, because we [b]like[/b] it when we can't live up to the standards of the men in the Notebook or Magic Mike or whatever romantic movie.

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;36680178]how is it not discriminatory against men I honestly do not understand this yeah I get how it's misogynistic but I don't know why it's not misandrist at the same time[/QUOTE] misogyny is defined as the hate of women [B]and attributes perceived as womanlike[/B]. if a man has a womanlike attribute (in this case, being not a musclebeast), then he gets hate for it, due to this part of misogyny. this is why eradicating misogyny will benefit both men and women.

Why is it sexist to be attracted to beautiful, half naked women? Sure, you shouldn't expect women to really be like this very often, but I don't see how it's immoral to want to have sex with a beautiful woman. What's wrong with being shallow?

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;36680200]Well we did that fucking 50 years ago. You're not the first person to come up with that genius, "hey, what about, like, evolution, bro?" argument. In every fucking argument about feminism on this forum and anywhere else on the internet anywhere ever someone does the exact same, empty, noncommittal "b-but evolution" shtick and it never accomplishes anything. You're not revealing some amazing, overlooked knowledge by being a pedant about what our "instincts" are. You don't need to do that every time. You can set the baton down, bro. We don't need you to kindly inform us of something that is either of no consequence or an already-accepted premise. [b]YOU'RE NOT SAYING ANYTHING[/b][/QUOTE] excuse me that's quite rude, I'm well aware of handwavey evpsych explanations and I try to hold myself to a higher standard [sub][sub][sub]if you look close I was trying to salvage his argument so he could save face[/sub][/sub][/sub]

[QUOTE=Turnips5;36680230]misogyny is defined as the hate of women [B]and attributes perceived as womanlike[/B]. if a man has a womanlike attribute (in this case, being not a musclebeast), then he gets hate for it, due to this part of misogyny. this is why eradicating misogyny will benefit both men and women.[/QUOTE] If our society is mysogynist, and hates attributes that appear womanlike, then why are thin, hairless boys with long hair and makeup suddenly the big male attraction?

[QUOTE=Turnips5;36680230]misogyny is defined as the hate of women [B]and attributes perceived as womanlike[/B]. if a man has a womanlike attribute (in this case, being not a musclebeast), then he gets hate for it, due to this part of misogyny. this is why eradicating misogyny will benefit both men and women.[/QUOTE] You didn't give an answer as to why the "hulk" portrayal of men isn't discriminatory against men though.

Also, who in the merry name of Fuck rates this kind of disgusting shite winner? I'm looking at you, World Eater, windwakr, Alixandah, Blackbird88 and soulharvester.

[QUOTE=DainBramageStudios;36680234]excuse me that's quite rude, I'm well aware of handwavey evpsych explanations and I try to hold myself to a higher standard[/QUOTE] Well try harder I guess because the last two pages of this thread have been a useless evopsych derail.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;36680200] it's not misandrist because it doesn't originate from anti-male attitudes, it's a consequence of anti-female attitudes that men have to be providers.[/QUOTE] ... which is in turn anti-male. Stereotypes are stereotypes. They exist, they go ALL directions. The sooner people notice that, the sooner we can learn to coexist.

[QUOTE=acds;36680190]You can not discriminate against men, apparently.[/QUOTE] I remember in another thread Sanius said that misandry doesn't exist.