Anonymous takes on Israeli websites, wipes Jerusalem bank - Polidicks

[QUOTE=TH89;38483414]A big problem with this is that Israel was created for people to escape from persecution in the West, and the West trying to fuck their shit up is not necessarily going to lead them to think "oh well, I better shape up then!"[/QUOTE] It isn't meant to necessarily garner support or bring attention to an issue. People already know what's happening, and already have an opinion on it. This isn't a rally, or a march to bring awareness. This is direct action meant to help put economic, political, and social pressure on Israel for actions that many deem absolutely unacceptable. [QUOTE=Bletotum;38483423]There's quite an obvious difference between making someone late for work, and forcing someone to lose their savings. Especially considering that these attacks could easily have been left only on the government sites.[/QUOTE] Well, I would say direct action like this is certainly better than the alternative of actual revolt and violence. And you can't just target government sites. The point is to create actual economic slowdown.

Israel also has pretty unusually high income inequality, so those people are all extra effed if their savings are really gone.

[QUOTE=TH89;38483522]Israel also has pretty unusually high income inequality, so those people are all extra effed if their savings are really gone.[/QUOTE] Um the people who actually have savings in countries of high income inequality are generally not the poor. Generally people are more indebted.

[QUOTE=TH89;38483414]A big problem with this is that Israel was created for people to escape from persecution in the West, and the West trying to fuck their shit up is not necessarily going to lead them to think "oh well, I better shape up then!"[/QUOTE] And now it's persecuting people right next to it. The people who put them in power reprimanding them is the only way they will change.

[QUOTE=Mike42012;38483548]And now it's persecuting people right next to it. The people who put them in power reprimanding them is the only way they will change.[/QUOTE] I agree, I'm saying this isn't a good way to get that to happen. Making the everyday people feel like they're under attack from the rest of the world will just make them more reactionary.

[QUOTE=Thom12255;38481355]Who goes onto a companies website to buy stuff most of the time? Even if people do, if the website is down nothing is going to happen, they'll get it from somewhere else or go to a shop or just wait. Just because they can't buy a new shirt doesn't mean that the Israeli economy is collapsing and Israel now has to accept a 2 state solution.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Thom12255;38481429]Hahahah I think you are overestimating the power of a few DDOS's by some neckbeards on their computers.[/QUOTE] Think about everyday grocery store, milk products are those kind of products that shops buys almost everyday to get more asap. Most of the shops in Finland have automated system to check if there has been enough milk sold out, they automatically order new load of milks/cheese etc. (Computer links itself to Cash register and so on) Now what if the website that is part of the ordering process goes down? Computer sees there is shortage of milk and decides to order new load of milk, it says it can't connect so it tries to retry it multiple times or it goes through but center won't be able to send out those orders to farms and so on. So now employees need to call directly to each farm/bakery/producer etc. to get new load of products while serving customers and checking if anything is going bad, is there enough products for tomorrows or todays sale and so on. But what if the phonelines also go down? Today companies send rarely representatives because of the travelling costs so they could check how well shop is showing their products. But in crisis companies naturally would start sending dozens of representatives to ensure that there is enough products. But new products comes in days delay and that is bad for business. And on top of that there is couple of more cars on road which needs fuel, their drivers need to get salary from extra travelling, food and shelter and so on. It all adds up on something and when it goes down it might come huge. Sorry if this is difficult to read, I'll check it later if it needs cleaning.

You know Anon could be alright. Like yeah they do some hacky stuff for decent reasons, they cleared a bank which probably put a lot of innocent people in a bad spot but, I mean, they had a good REASON to WANT to, and as most of the conversation in this thread has been about they supported the civil unrest. Not wanting them to be oppressed and shit. But besides from the incredibly bad plans of action, they do some cool shit sometimes and really they could be pretty alright but but then they Shit [B]like[/B] [B][I]THIS[/I][/B] [quote=anon]"they crossed a line in the sand." The statement continues: "As the former dictator of Egypt Mubarack learned the hard way -- we are ANONYMOUS and NO ONE shuts down the Internet on our watch." Anonymous finished with a stark warning to government if it persists in trying to cut telecom and web links. In addition, the collective said that unless attacks cease, the Israeli government "will know the full and unbridled wrath of Anonymous. And like all the other evil governments that have faced our rage, you will NOT survive it unscathed."[/quote] hahah god damn come on can they ever not saying silly dramatic shit like this its so silly and kills everything. But really, I think this was alright. They DEFINITELY probably could've done without the bank thing, even though it probably was a pretty large hit to the higher ups and will most likely barrel into more inconvenience as you guys have been talking about, it's sort a BANK where normal everyday people store their MONEY. A pretty fair amount of people are probably pretty screwed right now. I imagine a bank losing it's entire database will have a fairly large effect, at least in the long run.

If you build up these slight inconveniences then they can become a problem for people in power.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;38481413]Those things slow down the economy. I think you are underestimating the power of economic pressure. People don't like their profits being chewed into by a bunch of activists, they actually tend to get pretty pissed about it.[/QUOTE] Southern Israel is already shut down, with most of the stores not working and factories not operating. They're not doing much. [editline]17th November 2012[/editline] Also, I've never heard of Jerusalem Bank [editline]17th November 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=riku2211;38484357]YI imagine a bank losing it's entire database will have a fairly large effect, at least in the long run.[/QUOTE] Banks back up their databases daily (if they're competent, at least). This shouldn't pose much of a problem.

I can understand government sites, but why businesses? It's like attacking ordinary people for what the government did... oh wait. [sp]i don't even know who was this supposed to insult[/sp]

[QUOTE=IliekBoxes;38483024]It could be me, it could be you, it could even b- [img]http://tf2wiki.net/w/images/thumb/e/e3/SpyHeadAsplode.gif/300px-SpyHeadAsplode.gif[/img][/QUOTE] OH COME ON! It was obvious! He was the anonymous! Look! He'll turn green any second now. Aaany second now...

[QUOTE=TH89;38484183]I agree, I'm saying this isn't a good way to get that to happen. Making the everyday people feel like they're under attack from the rest of the world will just make them more reactionary.[/QUOTE] Perhaps suggesting an alternative will help others to understand your viewpoint.

[QUOTE=Glorbo;38484363]Southern Israel is already shut down, with most of the stores not working and factories not operating. They're not doing much. [editline]17th November 2012[/editline] Also, I've never heard of Jerusalem Bank [editline]17th November 2012[/editline] Banks back up their databases daily (if they're competent, at least). This shouldn't pose much of a problem.[/QUOTE] This. I can't believe the people in this thread that are actually trying to convince me to believe that what Anon is doing is going to produce civil unrest that will free Palestine, the idea that this is doing ANYTHING at all to the average Israeli is a complete joke.

[QUOTE=DogGunn;38483003]You are seriously over-estimating the reliance on e-Commerce. You think someone being not able to purchase a new dress for the next 24 hours will cause civil unrest? Not in then slightest. What they're doing is a waste of time and effort. [editline]17th November 2012[/editline] And to slow down the economy, by what, a few ten thousand at most? That might affect a country of a few thousand but not a few million.[/QUOTE] There's difference between doing a little and doing absolute nothing.

[QUOTE=Nikota;38480446]Anyone is Anon. I could be Anon at this very moment and even I wouldn't know it.[/QUOTE] [img]http://www.explore-science-fiction-movies.com/images/macready-doubt.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE]We are ANONYMOUS and NO ONE shuts down the Internet on our watch.[/QUOTE] I don't have much of a problem with this bluster coming from people using regulated connections over which this sort of thing is illegal- yeah they're technically powerless to do more than a sissy slap, but okay, kids, they think their ability to scratch their nose is evidence of elvish dexterity. My problem is that literally every single time a hammer falls- or it even vibrates slightly, perhaps winks suggestively and makes lewd comments about banging- they scatter and are nowhere to be seen again until the next instance when they can freely slap something.

[QUOTE=CheezyCakez;38480389]And like all the other evil governments that have faced our rage, you will NOT survive it unscathed.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry but when has this ever happened?

except israel is defending itself. even if the rockets are shit they still know they're attacking them and trying to provoke them

[QUOTE=Vintage Thatguy;38485796]except israel is defending itself. even if the rockets are shit they still know they're attacking them and trying to provoke them[/QUOTE] Problem is it's "inadequate force" times thousand. Most Palestinians never were involved with Hamas and never did anything wrong. They still die by dozens.

[QUOTE=Vintage Thatguy;38485796]except israel is defending itself. even if the rockets are shit they still know they're attacking them and trying to provoke them[/QUOTE] Are they really though? I'm pretty sure Palestine is the one defending itself. Otherwise the Greeks have as much a claim to Southern Italy as the Israelis do to Palestine.

[QUOTE=BradB;38483387]Yeah fuck up innocent people's bank accounts woo yeah super l33t c00l winners![/QUOTE] but they're israeli nazi commie bastards, they arent even people

So who's been doing what in this conflict? I haven't really been following it.

[QUOTE=SCopE5000;38487007]So who's been doing what in this conflict? I haven't really been following it.[/QUOTE]If you've followed what's been going on between Israel and Palestine in the past decade at all, it's pretty much more of that.