Tobuscus Accused of Rape and Abuse - Polidicks

[QUOTE=download;50116974]Of course, it's called the court of public opinion. Actually, no, it's really easy to prove. It's called a rape kit, every hospital has them. They'd also do a blood work-up and look for any drugs. These are all very easy to prove.[/QUOTE] No actually not that easy homie. Considering the victim stated it happened while they dated it means it occurred quite some time ago; within that time the victim has likely showered, brushed her teeth, changed her clothes, and removed any forensic evidence of the crime. Not to mention rape kits usually only establish sexual contact occurred unless injury is found during the examination (this doesn't always corroborate rape, especially if the accused says "Yeah we've had sex before.)

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;50117921]How about you look it up online instead of wasting my time with intentionally banal requests. I see that won't sit well with you. You'll whinge and think you are clever. [URL="http://lmgtfy.com/?q=percentage+of+false+rape+allegations"]FBI statistics. FBI reports from 1996 consistently put the number of "unfounded" rape accusations around 8%. In contrast, the average rate of unfounded reports for "Index crimes" tracked by the FBI is 2%.[/URL] But I guess those FBI guys are feminists as well! [editline]12th April 2016[/editline] Read her statement and look at the texts provided + actual posts from 2013 You will, like I did, have a hard time finding anything on the matter that isn't reddit/gg communities attacking her character and going on about men being persecuted with false rape claims.[/QUOTE] "I'm not going to provide proof to the claims I made. You do it." Come on man.

[QUOTE=wewt!;50117930]Projection does not equal evidence.[/QUOTE] Everyone with a little bit of sense would see how that video doesn't do him any favors. That's what I meant.

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;50117921]How about you look it up online instead of wasting my time with intentionally banal requests. I see that won't sit well with you. You'll whinge and think you are clever. [URL="http://lmgtfy.com/?q=percentage+of+false+rape+allegations"]FBI statistics. FBI reports from 1996 consistently put the number of "unfounded" rape accusations around 8%. In contrast, the average rate of unfounded reports for "Index crimes" tracked by the FBI is 2%.[/URL] But I guess those FBI guys are feminists as well! [/QUOTE] Normally I wouldn't get upset by this, [B]but,[/B] If you're going to be a snarky asshat and use "Let Me Google That For You" to prove a point, you should probably actually prove your point. As mentioned [URL="http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/416536/how-common-are-false-rape-charges-really-jason-richwine"]here[/URL] those statistics are actually [I]grossly misleading[/I] because those are the claims that are provably false. That is, there was evidence that actually directly contradicted the claim. That means the 'true' number of false rates is [B]at minimum[/B] the number quoted, and most certainly higher. Whatever that number is. But I'll give you brownie points for looking like a badass dishing out sick burns.

[QUOTE=Jackald;50117943]No, but they are 20 years out of date lol.[/QUOTE] Ok well this links to a 2012 study in the UK [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape#Crown_Prosecution_Service_report_.282011.E2.80.932012.29[/url] [url]http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/mar/13/false-allegations-rape-domestic-violence-rare[/url] (editorial on the study quoting stats from the study) [quote=Crown Prosecution Service]In the period of the review, there were 5,651 prosecutions for rape and 111,891 for domestic violence. During the same period there were 35 prosecutions for making false allegations of rape, six for making false allegation of domestic violence and three for making false allegations of both rape and domestic violence.[/quote] A rate even less than the fbi found. Why is it so hard for you people to accept that false accusations for rape are actually quite rare?

[QUOTE=Crazy Ivan;50117991]Normally I wouldn't get upset by this, [B]but,[/B] If you're going to be a snarky asshat and use "Let Me Google That For You" to prove a point, you should probably actually prove your point. [/quote] So far the entire "discussion" has been a collection of prove it. Things people should know anyway. The myth that most rape accusations is damaging and seems to be perpetuated by internet communities. [quote] As mentioned [URL="http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/416536/how-common-are-false-rape-charges-really-jason-richwine"]here[/URL] those statistics are actually [I]grossly misleading[/I] because those are the claims that are provably false. That is, there was evidence that actually directly contradicted the claim. That means the 'true' number of false rates is [B]at minimum[/B] the number quoted, and most certainly higher. Whatever that number is. [/quote] UK study provided just now (because someone complained about the age of the FBI stats) shows provable claims far outweigh the provably false claims. Suppose if theres no proof either way for the unproven ones you can't draw conclusions but if you apply the same ratio (between proven true and proven false) to it you'll get, overwhelmingly so, most being unprovably true. not entirely sure why you people have an issue with accepting that most rape goes unreported and unprosecuted. Is it not in everyones interest for rape to be effectively combatted by the authorities? and for victims to feel they are able to report it without stigma? [quote]But I'll give you brownie points for looking like a badass dishing out sick burns.[/QUOTE] Ch33rs br0

Dude mdeceiver79, don't do that LMGTFY thing. I'm going to be lenient today, since I had a great day :)

[QUOTE=Jackald;50118024]The UK and US are different countries. We have nearly double the number of rape victims per capita: [url]http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/United-Kingdom/United-States/Crime[/url][/QUOTE] What I need is the goldilocks stat. That one is too hot, that ones too cold. That ones from the UK that ones too old. So you complain about it being the wrong country. Are the people in the US more likely to falsely report rapes? If anything the UK convicting/reporting more should be an indication that the situation in US is even worse (in that less rapes reported and convicted by percentage, or is that arguement that british people are more rapey)?

[QUOTE=Jackald;50118036]It's a myth that being accused of a crime is damaging to your reputation?![/QUOTE] Then thats the issue. There should be laws in place to stop people being fired and having their lives ruined. A guy in the US got accused of paedophilia and lost his job and friends. turns out it was his kid swimming. University apologised and offered job back but the damage was done. Firing coz of an unproven claim should be illegal. Stigmatising people who claim to have been raped helps nobody but the rapists. (likewise for denying certain facts about rape and propagating false rumours about rape)

Lots of "different people react to things differently" here, yet apparently some in this thread can only understand that concept when it's applied to the *alleged* rapist. Guess what, victims (or *alleged* victims) also react to things differently. Have you heard of people in abusive relationships who don't recognize the abuse? Who feel powerless in the face of such traumatic experiences? And sometimes require weeks, months or even years without their partner's influence to come to terms with what really happened? And, when they do, feel understandably angry? So why is it A-OK to act like a late public accusation is a huge red flag, but forming opinions on Tobuscus' reaction is too far-fetched?

[QUOTE=Jackald;50117096]That statistic is silly. How do you define a rapist if they aren't convicted of rape?[/QUOTE] Someone that initiates sexual activity with a non-willing partner. Wether they are convicted, or the incident even reported, doesn't change wether it was rape or not.

[QUOTE=Jackald;50118061]You're making far-reaching assumptions based on limited data. I'm not saying you're wrong, but your claims are not backed by the evidence you've provided. Yes, perhaps people in the US are more likely to falsely report rapes. For example: take a look at this graph: [img]http://40.media.tumblr.com/41b123b49e49edf66aceec70412a685b/tumblr_n51b5jPgm01rfwfq9o1_500.jpg[/img] This image seems to be suggesting that the rape rate has increased due to immigrants, which is a plausible thesis. A conflicting theory is that, since the legislature around Rapes has laxened to make the definition more wide-reaching, cases that were previously considered sexual assault are now treated as rape. The graph does not give you the complete picture. Correlation =/= causation, and you can't make wide-reaching claims based on a small subset of data.[/QUOTE] Who made this graph.

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;50118002]Why is it so hard for you people to accept that false accusations for rape are actually quite rare?[/QUOTE] How often do you find cases of a rape being prosecuted when the accuser had reprimanded his/her alleged abuser, by name and over social media, before the matter went to trial? Let's not forget that neither party involved has mentioned that they are taking this to court yet. It's a circumstance that needs to be weighed separately from median statistics; because now you have to factor in a potential [b]subterfuge[/b]. Those making the allegations have the burden of providing the proof necessary to convict their alleged abuser. To be completely fucking honest, neither party should be opening themselves up to the public about this because it's frankly none of our business, it should be up to the courts.

There's no proof tobuscus RAPED AND MURDERED A GIRL IN 1990

[QUOTE=soccerskyman;50116950]Tumblr post (TW obviously): [url]http://aprilefff.tumblr.com/post/142456789310/the-truth-about-tobuscus[/url][/QUOTE] I'm sorry, but I lost it at the :::TRIGGER WARNING::: part. And I lost it bad.. Should police and courthouses and newstations also stamp their papers, emails or other public statements about certain subjects with "TRIGGER WARNING"? Hahahaha I can't believe that's actually a thing on the Tumbler.

[QUOTE=Bat-shit;50118162]I'm sorry, but I lost it at the :::TRIGGER WARNING::: part. And I lost it bad.. Should police and courthouses and newstations also stamp their papers, emails or other public statements about certain subjects with "TRIGGER WARNING"? Hahahaha I can't believe that's actually a thing on the Tumbler.[/QUOTE] well it's tumblr of all things so it's kind of a given

Why the fuck are you people arguing about rape statistics lol? Why is this relevant? It doesn't matter what you think, it's the girl's word against his, none have more weight than the other, you all should therefore wait until this develops before you go ahead and start crucifying people.

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;50118029]not entirely sure why you people have an issue with accepting that most rape goes unreported and unprosecuted.[/QUOTE] Unprosecuted I can understand given that it's a crime that leaves far less traces behind than something like a murder, but unreported? How can you know that the majority of rapes go unreported if those that aren't reported, well, aren't reported and nobody hears about them? [QUOTE=Richy19;50118079]Someone that initiates sexual activity with a non-willing partner. Wether they are convicted, or the incident even reported, doesn't change wether it was rape or not.[/QUOTE] How do you know they really did it if they weren't convicted?

[video]https://youtu.be/vF2fsPshqwc[/video] [editline]12th April 2016[/editline] This is from an ex girlfriend

[QUOTE=download;50116974]Of course, it's called the court of public opinion. Actually, no, it's really easy to prove. It's called a rape kit, every hospital has them. They'd also do a blood work-up and look for any drugs. These are all very easy to prove.[/QUOTE] the fuck? "a 2004 Justice Department report that estimated that evidence from about 221,000 rape and murder cases remained untested," [URL="https://rainn.org/news-room/news/rape-kit-backlog"]https://rainn.org/news-room/news/rape-kit-backlog[/URL]

[QUOTE=Jackald;50118102]Well I sourced it from some random tumblr blog that doesn't source it: [url]http://the-unpopular-opinions.tumblr.com/post/85537338582/my-country-sweden-has-the-2nd-highest-rate-of-rape[/url] THEY appear to have gotten it from here: [url]http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3057621/posts[/url] and THEY source this: [url]http://www.friatider.se/sverige-toppar-internationell-valdtaktsstatistik[/url] which doesn't appear to show anything. So the figure itself could be totally made up for all I know, the point is that if you assume the statistics are 100% accurate (which is debatable) you can make two entirely different and valid theories about the causes of the graph.[/QUOTE] friatider is literally a conspiracy rightwing extremist website for """""news""""" and """"facts"""""

[QUOTE=der_crow;50118315]the fuck? "a 2004 Justice Department report that estimated that evidence from about 221,000 rape and murder cases remained untested," [URL="https://rainn.org/news-room/news/rape-kit-backlog"]https://rainn.org/news-room/news/rape-kit-backlog[/URL][/QUOTE] Your point?

[QUOTE=SIRIUS;50118299][video]https://youtu.be/vF2fsPshqwc[/video] [editline]12th April 2016[/editline] This is from an ex girlfriend[/QUOTE] Summary for people who can't be bothered with 20 minutes of talk: Toby is a shitty boyfriend but not nearly as bad as it's being blown out of proportion and she doesn't think he's a criminal.

Ah, good ol' vigilante justice. What could possibly go wrong?

[QUOTE=_Axel;50118261]How do you know they really did it if they weren't convicted?[/QUOTE] I see your point, and mostly agree but someone can be something without anyone knowing it. I could steal something and never be found out, does that mean I am not a thief? It just means you cant call me, or prove that I am a thief

[QUOTE=rndgenerator;50118342]Summary for people who can't be bothered with 20 minutes of talk: Toby is a shitty boyfriend but not nearly as bad as it's being blown out of proportion and she doesn't think he's a criminal.[/QUOTE] I think he just needs some serious help sorting his shit out.

[QUOTE=Richy19;50118348]I see your point, and mostly agree but someone can be something without anyone knowing it. I could steal something and never be found out, does that mean I am not a thief?[/QUOTE] In the eyes of the public you should not be. If there is no evidence linking you to a crime, for all intents and purposes you should be considered innocent by others, not the other way around.

[QUOTE=Str4fe;50118344]Ah, good ol' vigilante justice. What could possibly go wrong?[/QUOTE] A defamation lawsuit.

Im going to call bs on this, even though Im not a big fan of his happywheels videos

[QUOTE=Richy19;50118348]I see your point, and mostly agree but someone can be something without anyone knowing it. I could steal something and never be found out, does that mean I am not a thief? It just means you cant call me, or prove that I am a thief[/QUOTE] Agreed. What I meant is that statistics about rapes that are not reported or prosecuted are necessarily made up.