Tobuscus Accused of Rape and Abuse - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Mitsuma;50119760] [B]You possibly destroy somebodies life with false allegations[/B][/QUOTE] I believe that's the intent. Easier to destroy someone's reputation than to go through a long, tedious court trial to maybe have them put into a jail cell.

[QUOTE=EXPLOOOSIONS!;50120162]I believe that's the intent. Easier to destroy someone's reputation than to go through a long, tedious court trial to maybe have them put into a jail cell.[/QUOTE] Except assuming the rape accusation is true (if false it's pretty obvious why this is a shitty thing to do), nobody but the accuser knows the rape actually happened so it simply looks like you try to destroy the accused's life because an actual investigation would reveal the claims to be false. It's a stupid move and only makes yourself look fake as shit.

can you imagine what tobuscus sounds like during sex though

It's even worse for the military when we have an allegation against a service member. As soon as he is accused, he literally loses everything; regardless of innocence or not. Even if proven innocent, he will be stuck with that image.

Honestly, if you are going to accuse someone of rape, do it in the court of law. Because if you publicly accuse, you are basically keeping false rape accusations trendy, whether or not your accusation is true. You might get some revenge or justice out of it, but you might give someone an idea to do a false accusation. And those things ruin lives. [editline]13th April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Starpluck;50117349]I did not think he was guilty until I watched this video.[/QUOTE] I had something extremely shocking happen to me. For a day or two, i was just blank. I wanted to show emotion but no. Nothing really came out. I was like him in that video. So much so that my gf that i had at the time was confused why i wasnt very social, why i got frustrated at things, even though i told her what's up. I was just unable to express my feelings. I couldn't show her how devastated i was, i could just tell her. Very unconvincingly. I think that's what may be happening with toby here.

Well, if there's no proof he can (counter)sue her -hard-. This is why lawyers don't want you to go public about these sorts of things, it just gives more fuel to the defense. [editline]13th April 2016[/editline] I can't take the claim seriously because she's so public about it. Just makes me believe she's trying to wreck his reputation.

Also the whole thing with her saying that toby got suuuuper horny when she was crying and was using her tears as lube or whatever, and the other girl saying that if she wasnt into it that would kill toby's mood. To me seems like April is just trying to inflict as much damage as possible. [editline]13th April 2016[/editline] But i do believe that Toby has problems. I believe that he may not be a good or faithful boyfriend. But rape?

[QUOTE=Str4fe;50123516] But i do believe that Toby has problems. I believe that he may not be a good or faithful boyfriend. But rape?[/QUOTE] It seems to me that people are suggesting that him being unfaithful shows he's a horrible person and therefore could be a rapist.

[QUOTE=Str4fe;50123320]Honestly, if you are going to accuse someone of rape, do it in the court of law. Because if you publicly accuse, you are basically keeping false rape accusations trendy, whether or not your accusation is true. You might get some revenge or justice out of it, but you might give someone an idea to do a false accusation. And those things ruin lives. [editline]13th April 2016[/editline] I had something extremely shocking happen to me. For a day or two, i was just blank. I wanted to show emotion but no. Nothing really came out. I was like him in that video. So much so that my gf that i had at the time was confused why i wasnt very social, why i got frustrated at things, even though i told her what's up. I was just unable to express my feelings. I couldn't show her how devastated i was, i could just tell her. Very unconvincingly. I think that's what may be happening with toby here.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty much the same way now that you mention it, I don't process terrible news well and usually just shut off until it catches up to me. Even more so when I don't see any one else who is effected by it, like when you receive a phone call or read the bad news, it's like part of me just believes it's not real and try not to think about it. Once you are with other people who are upset too the emotional dam bursts and is never a fun ride.

[QUOTE=geogzm;50122929]can you imagine what tobuscus sounds like during sex though[/QUOTE] [b][Bloom transition][/b]

[QUOTE=download;50123524]It seems to me that people are suggesting that him being unfaithful shows he's a horrible person and therefore could be a rapist.[/QUOTE] And if he's a rapist, he could be a murderer too! :o I think we're onto something here. Okay sorry gonna stop posting now, vigilante justice just gets me riled up.

We don't know if this person did what he is accused of and therefore it's wrong and stupid to act as if he did do it or condemn him for it in any way, that's really all that needs to be said about the case and no statistic in the world will change that. We will just have to wait and see what there is to support the accusation. On the topic of how we handle things like this I'd like to say that it's unfortunate that rape is such a hard thing to prove or gather enough "evidence" to be sure of, but I would rather let a rapist go free than condemn a person for a crime they didn't commit. It sounds terrible but it's really the only fair way to go about it. I'm not saying that you have to be 100% sure because that's almost impossible but there needs to be more than the testimony of a few people IMO.

[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;50118810]I sure do wish people had this level of objectivity with literally any other accusation of crime.[/QUOTE] If we applied this brand of 'objectivity' to other accusations, nobody would be guilty of anything. It's beyond a joke how many people in this thread are arguing that we should wait for the facts whilst also condemning the accuser as a liar or 'petty ex', out to ruin Tobuscs' reputation with this new 'trend' of crying rape. Maybe it's not a fun new trend? Maybe these individual cases of sexual assault should be examined with careful consideration to the facts of the matter, rather than being lumped together as a malicious attempt to bring down all youtubers? Just a thought. I know that means you can't instantly write off this accusation because of another accusation being found as false, but it does treat a potential rape victim with a little more respect.

[QUOTE=Menien Goneld;50123890]If we applied this brand of 'objectivity' to other accusations, nobody would be guilty of anything. It's beyond a joke how many people in this thread are arguing that we should wait for the facts whilst also condemning the accuser as a liar or 'petty ex', out to ruin Tobuscs' reputation with this new 'trend' of crying rape. Maybe it's not a fun new trend? Maybe these individual cases of sexual assault should be examined with careful consideration to the facts of the matter, rather than being lumped together as a malicious attempt to bring down all youtubers? Just a thought. I know that means you can't instantly write off this accusation because of another accusation being found as false, but it does treat a potential rape victim with a little more respect.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure nobody's downright calling her a liar. But making public accusations on social media is the stupidest thing you can do, and it's pretty much the MO of people who falsely accuse out of spite. It just comes off as wanting to ruin someone's life by bypassing actual justice.

The problem lies in throwing out heavy accusations like that out where everybody can see them, and where below 99,9% of people are by any means qualified to pass an actual verdict or organize an actual investigation. We can't answer for who did or didn't do what in the case in question - however, the attack on Toby still has a harsh effect on everybody involved, and it´s likely going to stick around for the rest of their lives. And this is something the accuser is solely responsible of.

[QUOTE=Jim Morrison;50119495][URL="http://freethoughtblogs.com/almostdiamonds/2013/08/23/i-am-a-false-rape-allegation-statistic/"]Here's one example of a rape victim's encounter with the police.[/URL] And please don't put words in my mouth. All I said was going to the police is by no means easy and sometimes it actually makes the situation worse.[/QUOTE] You're not wrong, but this doesn't justify not going to the police at all, and publicly acusing someone instead.

[QUOTE=_Axel;50124004]it's pretty much the MO of people who falsely accuse out of spite.[/QUOTE] and where the fuck are you getting this haven't you talked about how foggy and uncertain all of these accusations are and how you can never prove many of them 100% how can you possibly follow that up with this

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;50124258]and where the fuck are you getting this haven't you talked about how foggy and uncertain all of these accusations are and how you can never prove many of them 100% how can you possibly follow that up with this[/QUOTE] In cases where people are bold enough to go public on social media but don't bother going to the police, I think it's safe to assume the accusations don't hold water and the only goal is to ruin someone's reputation, rather than seek justice. In this case I don't know whether the accuser has gone to the police, so we can't make conclusions. But what she did doesn't put her in the best of lights.

Not to be called a "victim blaming fuck" but taking this to the public and not immediately going to the police for a quiet and professional way of handling the situation is absolutely fucking retarded. I don't know whether all of this happened or not, I don't know these people. But I find it distressing that people famous in the internet would rather take this to fucking youtube and twitter than to the police. These people are taking serious accusations to the wrong people, making it sound like petty shit that people read on their spare time on a sunday afternoon when they got nothing better to do.

[QUOTE=_Axel;50124364]In cases where people are bold enough to go public on social media but don't bother going to the police, I think it's safe to assume the accusations don't hold water and the only goal is to ruin someone's reputation, rather than seek justice. In this case I don't know whether the accuser has gone to the police, so we can't make conclusions. But what she did doesn't put her in the best of lights.[/QUOTE] or maybe they know there's no evidence by the time they can muster up the courage to talk about it, because rape isn't all that easy to prove even when not a lot of time has passed. it's still not the right thing to do, but it's no indicator that it's false either

These stories are always between YouTube stars. Truly they are the new tv stars, rotating in their sealed off world as we watch them through the glass walls, never interacting with the real world (or so it seems).

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;50118807]Honestly, the "innocent until proven guilty" does really only apply in a court of law. You can't police public perception. Osama bin Laden was never, to my knowledge, proven guilty in a court of law, but it seems like people are pretty a-ok with blaming him for 9/11 and other atrocities. Less extreme examples of course exist, Cosby is one of them. I think these cases should be in the media the least amount possible, but that doesn't change the fact that people can think and say what they want. Sure, there's something called libel, but yeah, y'know. Anyway, wasn't this guy in the Law & Order SVU episode where they basically said rape is a hallmark of the gaming community?[/QUOTE] It makes sense to say that you shouldnt make public rape/drugging accusations because there are courts and systems and various things that are established to go to instead. In the case of osama bin laden, there is no "international skyscraper suicide attack underground mountain bunker court". I really don't think anyone should ever make public accusations of this severity. There are established routes for you to take that don't involve public mobbing and destroying their life regardless of their innocence or guilt. Take them to court and after they are guilty you can go around letting people know. There are plenty of things that it makes sense to criticize about people in the public arena "hey that journalist looks corrupt etc" "that guy is an asshole" even "X company has really terrible practices" because, in the modern world there are many things that don't have established systems for dealing with and the court of "public opinion" is all there is. But we're past that for criminal accusations, or at least we should be. Now, whether or not he is actually guilty he will be punished for it, not as much as many other people because he is self employed, but yeah. If i was raped i'd hate to just "have the ability" to ruin someone else's life based on my word alone. Im sure a lot of people dont like having that power. Imagine the worst case scenerio where someone accuses you of something and without any investigation you lose your job, friends, parents disown you, literally out on the street because you lost your job and nobody will hire you, commit suicide, this isn't a tool we just want to leave out there in the open.

I'd just like to add that the OP is fucking awful, and that anecdotes and third party opinions are anything but evidence, I don't particularly like Toby, but given that his image is his career, and ruining a man's career with zero evidence is egregious. We can do far better than this.

[QUOTE=Big Bang;50125395]I'd just like to add that the OP is fucking awful, and that anecdotes and third party opinions are anything but evidence, I don't particularly like Toby, but given that his image is his career, and ruining a man's career with zero evidence is egregious. We can do far better than this.[/QUOTE] Multiple girlfriends openly stating he has been unfaithful, rough in bed and even having a drug problem? And then a 4th party which was a male who once employed him agreeing with majority of these points, reaffirming the issues? If it was one or two girls claiming insane accusations, i'd agree with you. but besides the original rape claim, everybody else has had comparable realistic points. "I don't think he's a rapist, but he's certainly not a thoughtful person." As someone whos image is also his career, don't think the idea of that will stop you from being yourself and doing things that could theoretically can your livelyhood. Keep in mind many of the claims have also said he has a lust for feeling wanted, so it's fair to say he might not quench that through yelling at video games for a young kid audience.

[QUOTE=Punchy;50125435]Multiple girlfriends openly stating he has been unfaithful, rough in bed and even having a drug problem? And then a 4th party which was a male who once employed him agreeing with majority of these points, reaffirming the issues? If it was one or two girls claiming insane accusations, i'd agree with you. but besides the original rape claim, everybody else has had comparable realistic points. "I don't think he's a rapist, but he's certainly not a thoughtful person." As someone whos image is also his career, don't think the idea of that will stop you from being yourself and doing things that could theoretically can your livelyhood. Keep in mind many of the claims have also said he has a lust for feeling wanted, so it's fair to say he might not quench that through yelling at video games for a young kid audience.[/QUOTE] Yeah, agreeing with most of the points, except one, very crucial one: The rape. Being unfaithful and rough in bed isn't a crime, it's certainly deplorable, and sadly it's not unheard of to hear people in public media having drug problems, but there is nothing but circumstantial evidence on the rape allegation, which is the one which will destroy his career, and the one the OP seems to be so terribly quick to judge him on. Him being an asshole doesn't turn him into a rapist, that's quite the long stretch there.

Why do people even bring up that he is unfaithful and has a drug problem? It's totally irrelevant to this context.

[QUOTE=download;50116974]Of course, it's called the court of public opinion. [/QUOTE] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jian_Ghomeshi#Criminal_charges_and_trial[/url] Reminds me of the Jian Ghomeshi trial. Basically he ended up winning because there was sufficient hard evidence. These tumblr posts and videos remind me of what Jian's lawyer said. "You can't be convicted because a bunch of people tweet something". If people don't tone it down with the "online trial" and "letting the internet do its justice", this will lead to the guy being let go of any charges since there's just so much misinformation being told to the public by the prosecutor, who could easily get emotionally involved in writing these posts and may over-exaggerate certain details. Because in reality, it's just a blog post, she doesn't have to be held accountable for anything she says and can say whatever she wants.

[QUOTE=rndgenerator;50125628]Why do people even bring up that he is unfaithful and has a drug problem? It's totally irrelevant to this context.[/QUOTE] Because it's evidence towards his character, which can lead to possibly a reason the alleged rape could happen.

[QUOTE=bull3tmagn3t;50127984][url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jian_Ghomeshi#Criminal_charges_and_trial[/url] Reminds me of the Jian Ghomeshi trial. Basically he ended up winning because there was sufficient hard evidence. These tumblr posts and videos remind me of what Jian's lawyer said. "You can't be convicted because a bunch of people tweet something". If people don't tone it down with the "online trial" and "letting the internet do its justice", this will lead to the guy being let go of any charges since there's just so much misinformation being told to the public by the prosecutor, who could easily get emotionally involved in writing these posts and may over-exaggerate certain details. Because in reality, it's just a blog post, she doesn't have to be held accountable for anything she says and can say whatever she wants.[/QUOTE] And people in Canada are screaming that are justice system needs to be overhauled so people like Ghomeshi don't get away with it. It's literally people wanting the court of public opinion to determine court cases. It's fucked.

[QUOTE=TornadoAP;50128072]Because it's evidence towards his character, which can lead to possibly a reason the alleged rape could happen.[/QUOTE] As much as a reason for a false accusation. Just saying.