Tobuscus Accused of Rape and Abuse - Polidicks

[QUOTE=TornadoAP;50128072]Because it's evidence towards his character, which can lead to possibly a reason the alleged rape could happen.[/QUOTE] My dude, this is not how the world works. You'll be just shocked to see just how many actual convicted rapists and murderers seem outwardly fine.

[video]https://youtu.be/SeMg18wzXlU[/video] Throwing this in since i saw this coming by on /r/cringe, seems relevant.

[QUOTE=TornadoAP;50128072]Because it's evidence towards his character, which can lead to possibly a reason the alleged rape could happen.[/QUOTE] I abuse the fuck out of drugs and ive cheated in the past. Im glad that im more likely to be a rapist too!

[QUOTE=No Party Hats;50130185]I abuse the fuck out of drugs and ive cheated in the past. Im glad that im more likely to be a rapist too![/QUOTE] Get off Facepunch you rapist.

[QUOTE=Big Bang;50128966]My dude, this is not how the world works. You'll be just shocked to see just how many actual convicted rapists and murderers seem outwardly fine.[/QUOTE] It kind of is. I never said that rapists and murders all had to be drug addicts and control freaks, just that if that's their character it could lead to a motivation/reason as why the crime happened. [editline]14th April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=No Party Hats;50130185]I abuse the fuck out of drugs and ive cheated in the past. Im glad that im more likely to be a rapist too![/QUOTE] Please don't put words in my mouth. I didn't say this at all.

[QUOTE=TornadoAP;50130291] Please don't put words in my mouth. I didn't say this at all.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=TornadoAP;50128072]Because it's evidence towards his character, which can lead to possibly a reason the alleged rape could happen.[/QUOTE] You didn't? If Hats abuses drugs and has cheated, does that not mean he has a higher chance of being a rapist? If not, I don't see how these characteristics are relevant. If yes, then he said exactly what you said. Pick one please.

[QUOTE=Zang-Pog;50130555]Did you know that Toby also breathes air and drinks water and other fluids? Do you know who else did that? Hitler[/QUOTE] Oh i can certainly see a connection here

I think he's saying that Toby is an abusive prick, and that means that one can see why some people think the drugging and rape allegations are true. If someone accuses you of a crime, you will look more guilty if you come off as an abusive asshole as opposed to a kindhearted saint.

Here's out it plays out. If people ingest water, the chemicals that the government puts in it heads to their brains and makes them rape people. Duh.

[QUOTE=rndgenerator;50130455]You didn't? If Hats abuses drugs and has cheated, does that not mean he has a higher chance of being a rapist? If not, I don't see how these characteristics are relevant. If yes, then he said exactly what you said. Pick one please.[/QUOTE] They're relevant because they are telling. By that I mean that if a person has behaved shitty in the past, then that person is likely a shitty person in general, and this is useful information to predict future behavior. Which, guess what, odds are that behavior will remain the same, that person will not change, and they will continue doing shitty stuff and continue being a shitty person. They might change if they get caught and if there are consequences for their actions and behavior, but then again, that might be completely wrong, and they might stay the exact same as they were before with no regrets. Some people never change and are beyond help. Profiling isn't exactly a new thing, you know. I'm not trying to be a smartass here; I'm pointing out however that Tornado does have a point. [editline]14th April 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Killjoy;50131006]I think he's saying that Toby is an abusive prick, and that means that one can see why some people think the drugging and rape allegations are true. If someone accuses you of a crime, you will look more guilty if you come off as an abusive asshole as opposed to a kindhearted saint.[/QUOTE] This. And it's not unreasonable to feel this way either. Behavioral patterns and actions say a lot about the character of an individual.

[QUOTE=rndgenerator;50130455]You didn't? If Hats abuses drugs and has cheated, [B]does that not mean he has a higher chance of being a rapist?[/B] If not, I don't see how these characteristics are relevant. If yes, then he said exactly what you said. Pick one please.[/QUOTE] I didn't say that either. I said it could lead to a possible causation/reason. For example, if he has cheated in the past, it might show how since the woman was uncomfortable with their current relationship, the accused would have resorted to drugging and then sexually assaulting the woman to get his way. Or, maybe the accused was on drugs at the time and thus his judgement was impaired. I do not think that "all drug abusers and cheaters" are rapists or murders, or even have a higher chance to be rapists or murders. I was simply suggesting that these attributes may have affected how things otherwise might have turned out.

[QUOTE=TornadoAP;50131657]I didn't say that either. I said it could lead to a possible causation/reason. For example, if he has cheated in the past, it might show how since the woman was uncomfortable with their current relationship, the accused would have resorted to drugging and then sexually assaulting the woman to get his way. Or, maybe the accused was on drugs at the time and thus his judgement was impaired. I do not think that "all drug abusers and cheaters" are rapists or murders, or even have a higher chance to be rapists or murders. I was simply suggesting that these attributes may have affected how things otherwise might have turned out.[/QUOTE] This is a roundabout way of saying that because he does drugs and cheats he has a higher chance of being a rapist.

[QUOTE=geel9;50132045]This is a roundabout way of saying that because he does drugs and cheats he has a higher chance of being a rapist.[/QUOTE] When someone makes a serious accusation against you, having a bad past is more of an indicator that the claims are true. I'm not saying "He does drugs and cheats so he is more likely to be a rapist". You have to examine someone's character when talking about things like this. I'm sorry if it offends you that I think drugs and cheating are bad indicators on someone's character.

[QUOTE=Killjoy;50132195]When someone makes a serious accusation against you, having a bad past is more of an indicator that the claims are true. I'm not saying "He does drugs and cheats so he is more likely to be a rapist". You have to examine someone's character when talking about things like this. I'm sorry if it offends you that I think drugs and cheating are bad indicators on someone's character.[/QUOTE] that's exactly what's offending people and you're making harsh associations for it without a justification of the connection between the behaviours. Yes, cheating is considered bad. Yes drug use is considered bad. Rape is considered bad. So obviously, all 3 things are likely to be connected, right? Not inherently. There's a lot of people here who smoke weed, are they likely to be rapists more so than yourself? Yes or no, obviously you've made the judgement already.

[QUOTE=Killjoy;50132195]When someone makes a serious accusation against you, having a bad past is more of an indicator that the claims are true. I'm not saying "He does drugs and cheats so he is more likely to be a rapist". You have to examine someone's character when talking about things like this. I'm sorry if it offends you that I think drugs and cheating are bad indicators on someone's character.[/QUOTE] Why does smoking weed mean he has a bad character, again?

[QUOTE=geel9;50132045]This is a roundabout way of saying that because he does drugs and cheats he has a higher chance of being a rapist.[/QUOTE] I'm honestly asking here: Did you read my post? I have established the fact that this is not the case at all, but simply that his cheating and drug abuse may have been a reason/causation/catalyst/whatever the fuck you want to call it as to why he may have raped someone. This does not necessarily mean that he even did, or that he is more likely to be a rapist, but simply a reason as to why he could be one. Whether he did or was more likely to is not up to me, I'm simply trying to provide a reason as to why people are also talking about his character.

[QUOTE=TornadoAP;50132423]I'm honestly asking here: Did you read my post? I have established the fact that this is not the case at all, but simply that his cheating and drug abuse may have been a reason/causation/catalyst/whatever the fuck you want to call it as to why he may have raped someone. This does not necessarily mean that he even did, or that he is more likely to be a rapist, but simply a reason as to why he could be one. Whether he did or was more likely to is not up to me, I'm simply trying to provide a reason as to why people are also talking about his character.[/QUOTE] Pure baseless speculation then? Why? It does good to no one to speculate like that.

[QUOTE=rndgenerator;50132452]Pure baseless speculation then? Why? It does good to no one to speculate like that.[/QUOTE] Don't ask me. I'm just trying to provide a reason as to why people are talking about his character.

[QUOTE=TornadoAP;50132423]I'm honestly asking here: Did you read my post? I have established the fact that this is not the case at all, but simply that his cheating and drug abuse may have been a reason/causation/catalyst/whatever the fuck you want to call it as to why he may have raped someone. This does not necessarily mean that he even did, or that he is more likely to be a rapist, but simply a reason as to why he could be one. Whether he did or was more likely to is not up to me, I'm simply trying to provide a reason as to why people are also talking about his character.[/QUOTE] You're saying that doing drugs and cheating add reasons for his being a rapist. Which is basically upping the chance that he's a rapist because he has more reasons than the average bear.

[QUOTE=geel9;50132531]You're saying that doing drugs and cheating add reasons for his being a rapist. Which is basically upping the chance that he's a rapist because he has more reasons than the average bear.[/QUOTE] [quote=TornadoAP]Whether he did or was more likely to is not up to me, I'm simply trying to provide a reason as to why people are also talking about his character.[/quote]

[QUOTE=TornadoAP;50132423]I'm honestly asking here: Did you read my post? I have established the fact that this is not the case at all, but simply that his cheating and drug abuse may have been a reason/causation/catalyst/whatever the fuck you want to call it as to why he may have raped someone. This does not necessarily mean that he even did, or that he is more likely to be a rapist, but simply a reason as to why he could be one. Whether he did or was more likely to is not up to me, I'm simply trying to provide a reason as to why people are also talking about his character.[/QUOTE] Maybe you aren't understanding the critique of what you're saying. You're saying the use of drugs, and the presence of his cheating are indicators of the likelyhood of those things. That in and of itself is offensive and judgmental as well as a large generalization. You are in effect saying "He does this, is more likely to do this".

Posting about your rape online instead of going to the police about it only makes me doubt the person making the accusations. The only reason to post it online is to make a bunch of people turn against the accused, and create a smear campaign of sorts. I don't buy that someone would be too ashamed to go talk to the police about it and initiate an investigation in the secret of justice and yet be fine with just exposing the situation to millions of people. Don't you want them to be dealt with properly through law, instead of just making a dent on their reputation?

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50132562]Maybe you aren't understanding the critique of what you're saying. You're saying the use of drugs, and the presence of his cheating are indicators of the likelyhood of those things. That in and of itself is offensive and judgmental as well as a large generalization. You are in effect saying "He does this, is more likely to do this".[/QUOTE] [quote=TornadoAP]Whether he did or was more likely to is not up to me, I'm simply trying to provide a reason as to why people are also talking about his character.[/quote]

[QUOTE=TornadoAP;50132497]Don't ask me. I'm just trying to provide a reason as to why people are talking about his character.[/QUOTE] This is not how your previous posts read.

[QUOTE=geel9;50132599]This is not how your previous posts read.[/QUOTE] Well I'm sorry then, but that's what I meant.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50132292]that's exactly what's offending people and you're making harsh associations for it without a justification of the connection between the behaviours. Yes, cheating is considered bad. Yes drug use is considered bad. Rape is considered bad. So obviously, all 3 things are likely to be connected, right? Not inherently. There's a lot of people here who smoke weed, are they likely to be rapists more so than yourself? Yes or no, obviously you've made the judgement already.[/QUOTE] Uh, I didn't say drugs or cheating made you a rapist? Christ, the argument here is taking what your opponent says and then twisting it to fit your own agenda. I said having a bad past means that you look more guilty when something like this comes up. Why do you think people run background checks? Should we just never take people past into account for anything? Again, I'm not siding with anyone. I'm not saying you're wrong either. I think its wrong that people are jumping on the rape allegation with no evidence.

This detail is in my opinion the most contradictory in the statements and this one reaaally sticks out to me. [b]DIRECT QUOTES[/b] April: [quote]I’m nothing but a hyperventilating crying mess and I’m having a panic attack and shaking, when he starts taking off my pants and saying shhhhhh. He sets me down on the end of the bed and starts having sex with me. The entire time I’m crying and mumbling for him to stop but he keeps saying shhh. After he’s finished, he pulls my pants back on and I turn to my side and keep crying.[/quote] [quote][b]He was turned on every time I cried[/b][/quote] Melanie: [quote]In my experience, if i was ever not well or just not in a good mood and didnt want anything, he would be VERY respectful of it[/quote] Jaclyn: [quote]So... If ever there were a situation, and it happened a couple of times where i was mad at him for some reason or i was not feeling totally well, or something happened, you know that i just was not into it and he was trying to come on to me... and i was just not about it, and like... he doesn't like that, like [b]he wants to feel like what he's doing is awesome and he likes feedback[/b] and... you know if you're acting like you dont like it or something is wrong like... he takes it as a personal thing like "oh, what you dont want me, like im not good enough?" like so- you know, [b]it turned him off, is what im trying to say.[/b] In the few times that it happened with me and him, it turned him off, and he wasn't interested in sex anymore.[/quote] Olga Kay: [quote][b]I was never drugged or raped or felt unsafe in any way.[/b][/quote] I just hope people would stop trying to ruin someones life because of accusations without proof.

[QUOTE=Killjoy;50132781]Uh, I didn't say drugs or cheating made you a rapist? Christ, the argument here is taking what your opponent says and then twisting it to fit your own agenda. I said having a bad past means that you look more guilty when something like this comes up. Why do you think people run background checks? Should we just never take people past into account for anything? Again, I'm not siding with anyone. I'm not saying you're wrong either. I think its wrong that people are jumping on the rape allegation with no evidence.[/QUOTE] A recent study into background checks and credit reports turned up no link between the background checks and actual likelyhood to commit fraud, so no, based on the information given to me, I would say they're useless. It's an issue with the way you, and Tornado phrase it. The wording, and phrasing is directly linking doing drugs of any variety, and impropriety in relationships of any variety to the likelyhood of committing a crime. I would, based on knowing an actual piece of human garbage rapist, say that's pretty unrelated because they do come in all shapes and flavors and those behaviours aren't necessarily or inherently linked to the crime in question. God forbid I try and dispel uninformative generalizations.

I dont think he raped her, drugged maybe. But how can you believe a Tumblr post? His career is getting ruined because of a allegation. I am not saying he didnt rape her, but it is a little unfair on him.

[QUOTE=Glitchman;50119184]This happened to me in college. I went one a date with a girl, we made out after a movie. The day after she asked me to be her boyfriend, I said no. She then made up a story that I raped her... But instead of going to the authorities, she went to my boss, current love interest, as well as the Dean of students. I had no proof I was innocint, was banned from all the dorms indefinitely, all without the law being involved. It's really hard to read these stories without remembering how hopeless I was and how much it affected my life. I have severe hatred for actual rapists but also for bitter people who would ruin someone's life with an accusation like that. Now I'm not famous or anything but just thinking if I aspired to be a popular figure how that would come back and bite my ass[/QUOTE] Geez dude, that sucks. I went on a date with this chick and after it we were fooling around a little bit. She seemed uncomfortable, so I asked her if she was okay with what was going on. She said yes without hesitating, and that she was just a little intimidated because she had body image issues and I was worried that I thought she was gross or something. Literally every step of the way I asked "are you comfortable with X" before I did it just to be sure, and she said yes each time. the next day she goes around and tells everyone that I "intimidated her into doing what she wasn't comfortable with" and that I was "essentially a rapist" when I did everything short of having her sign a fucking consent contract before each step. I felt hopeless, victimized, and more than that, I couldn't trust people anymore- I had asked her EVERY SINGLE STEP OF THE WAY if she was comfortable, and she said yes! I told her that if she wasn't comfortable, that we could stop any time, and she still did what she did. Thankfully after a little bit my friends realized that she was full of shit, but during the first week afterwards I was essentially a pariah because I was now "the raist" even though it had literally [I]zero[/I] factual basis.