His character doesn't show anything, that's the whole point. Character evidence is inadmissible in any court of law, looking guilty doesn't make you guilty, acting guilty doesn't make you guilty, you're continuing to push down a flawed line of argument and it's yielding nothing.
Someone who has access to drugs and uses drugs is more likely to drug someone than someone who doesn't have access to drugs and doesn't take drugs.
That's essentially what it's about. No, it doesn't mean everyone who takes or has access to drugs go around drugging everyone around them. It means it goes from not being possible to being a possibility.
Just like someone paraplegic is less likely to chase someone up some stairs than someone who isn't paraplegic.
What the crap, guys.
[QUOTE=CaptainHijacks;50134587]Someone who has access to drugs and uses drugs is more likely to drug someone than someone who doesn't have access to drugs and doesn't take drugs.
That's essentially what it's about. No, it doesn't mean everyone who takes or has access to drugs go around drugging everyone around them. It means it goes from not being possible to being a possibility.
Just like someone paraplegic is less likely to chase someone up some stairs than someone who isn't paraplegic.
What the crap, guys.[/QUOTE]
Is that actually true? Smoking weed is a hell of a lot different than slipping someone rohipnol without their knowledge. In what way are "drugs" the same as other "drugs" and why does using drugs for oneself increase the likelihood that someone will acquire other drugs to slip people?
[QUOTE=CaptainHijacks;50134587]Someone who has access to drugs and uses drugs is more likely to drug someone than someone who doesn't have access to drugs and doesn't take drugs.
That's essentially what it's about. No, it doesn't mean everyone who takes or has access to drugs go around drugging everyone around them. It means it goes from not being possible to being a possibility.
Just like someone paraplegic is less likely to chase someone up some stairs than someone who isn't paraplegic.
What the crap, guys.[/QUOTE]
Look. The whole problem with your logic, is that you're assuming that somebody who doesn't use drugs, but wants drugs, won't access them because they don't have them? They can always find drugs if they need them that badly.
You wanna talk about the drugs? Fine lets talk about the drugs. The idea of him giving him a spiked shot of vodka to April seems to lack a motive, there's something missing about the whole thing here. April is living WITH Toby at this point, is well aware of his MDMA and alcohol abuse, and is having sex with him with some regularity in a fairly dysfunctional relationship, yet he somehow feels the urge that he has to drug her to have sex with her again? Hell it doesn't seem like April is even sure they had sex after getting drugged.
There's a clear distinction to be made here, and that is a thing that I've wanted to really illustrate from the beginning, there doesn't seem to be much evidence behind him being a rapist. There IS plenty about him being a piece of shit, which I can believe, but not that he had anything but a dysfunctional relationship with April.
[QUOTE=CaptainHijacks;50134587]Someone who has access to drugs and uses drugs is more likely to drug someone than someone who doesn't have access to drugs and doesn't take drugs.
That's essentially what it's about. No, it doesn't mean everyone who takes or has access to drugs go around drugging everyone around them. It means it goes from not being possible to being a possibility.
Just like someone paraplegic is less likely to chase someone up some stairs than someone who isn't paraplegic.
What the crap, guys.[/QUOTE]
This is the kind of shit that scares me when these cases get blown out into the public first.
You're not qualified to make these kinds of conclusions. Stop trying to place policeman with someone else's life.
I cannot find the quote on it but i remember seeing some other video a long time ago in which he was also very strange around some girl, he had no alcohol or anything but it creeped me the fuck out so i gotta say i would not find it that surprising...
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;50135529]This is the kind of shit that scares me when these cases get blown out into the public first.
You're not qualified to make these kinds of conclusions. Stop trying to place policeman with someone else's life.[/QUOTE]
Me 2 posts ago: But rape? I'm not so sure about this, but taking into consideration that he is an addict and he isn't getting better - I do think it's a possibility. But I won't see this as truth until there's something legitimate to actually prove it.
By the way, you guys [B]do[/B] realize Toby Turner takes other drugs than cannabis, right?
Also, I'm PRETTY sure that [U]if[/U] she was drugged she wasn't drugged with cannabis. That's ridiculous with how the descriptions have been.
Again, I will clarify that I do not believe Toby Turner raped anyone because so far there is no proof of it. I do believe he is capable of it, but a LOT of people are capable of committing crimes and do not.
I'm perfectly aware capability isn't anywhere close to actually doing something. You guys are pretty fond of putting words in other peoples mouths.
[QUOTE=BlueChihuahua;50117565]Yep, a child who was raped by a relative or neighbor and couldn't report it at the time sure does deserve to get blamed.[/QUOTE]
An amazingly bad attempt at a Strawman there.
I don't know either of these people and have no opinion as to whether or not the woman was actually sexually assaulted, but I will say that there would be little point in going to the police three years after the fact, due to it being essentially impossible to provide reasonable proof of the allegations at that point, and that if she had been assaulted she may have felt too ashamed, frightened, or otherwise traumatized immediately after the events in question to come forward about it. Coming out about it three years later doesn't mean she is lying or just wants attention, it may just be that it took this much time to be open about it.
It's a pretty repugnant argument to make that people who don't immediately come forward about sexual violence are just lying attention whores, and it is that perspective that likely makes most sex crime victims keep it to themselves until they just can't any longer.
Again, I'm speaking on a general basis here. I've never heard of any of these people before and don't know nearly enough about the situation to say whether or not she is being truthful.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;50137631]I don't know either of these people and have no opinion as to whether or not the woman was actually sexually assaulted, but I will say that there would be little point in going to the police three years after the fact, due to it being essentially impossible to provide reasonable proof of the allegations at that point, and that if she had been assaulted she may have felt too ashamed, frightened, or otherwise traumatized immediately after the events in question to come forward about it. Coming out about it three years later doesn't mean she is lying or just wants attention, it may just be that it took this much time to be open about it.
It's a pretty repugnant argument to make that people who don't immediately come forward about sexual violence are just lying attention whores, and it is that perspective that likely makes most sex crime victims keep it to themselves until they just can't any longer.
Again, I'm speaking on a general basis here. I've never heard of any of these people before and don't know nearly enough about the situation to say whether or not she is being truthful.[/QUOTE]
The question is, should you choose to come out years later? While I can understand that victims can have a hard time reporting it right after it happens, malicious people can also use false allegations to destroy reputation of others. This is not just a random vent, this is a direct claim and attack on Toby, which has and will further damage his rep, wherever he is guilty or not.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;50137631]I don't know either of these people and have no opinion as to whether or not the woman was actually sexually assaulted, but I will say that there would be little point in going to the police three years after the fact, due to it being essentially impossible to provide reasonable proof of the allegations at that point, and that if she had been assaulted she may have felt too ashamed, frightened, or otherwise traumatized immediately after the events in question to come forward about it. Coming out about it three years later doesn't mean she is lying or just wants attention, it may just be that it took this much time to be open about it.
It's a pretty repugnant argument to make that people who don't immediately come forward about sexual violence are just lying attention whores, and it is that perspective that likely makes most sex crime victims keep it to themselves until they just can't any longer.
Again, I'm speaking on a general basis here. I've never heard of any of these people before and don't know nearly enough about the situation to say whether or not she is being truthful.[/QUOTE]
Whether or not it automatically means they are "lying attention whores" has no bearing on weather or not it should be done in the first place and/or people should believe them with no rpoof. Right now its the case that a rape accusation regardless of guilt will fuck up your life just based on someones word, surely you dont agree with that situation?
The thing about these accusations is that it brings out both the trolls your referring to and the people/employers/society that will literally destroy the accused's life and get them out on the street. There is no good that comes of this, ever.
[QUOTE=Mattk50;50139137]Whether or not it automatically means they are "lying attention whores" has no bearing on weather or not it should be done in the first place and/or people should believe them with no rpoof. Right now its the case that a rape accusation regardless of guilt will fuck up your life just based on someones word, surely you dont agree with that situation?
The thing about these accusations is that it brings out both the trolls your referring to and the people/employers/society that will literally destroy the accused's life and get them out on the street. There is no good that comes of this, ever.[/QUOTE]
I've noticed that people have a really strong desire to fuck up lives of other people. Someone gets accused of rape? Who cares if there is no proof, lets destroy their life! We're a modern society but we still have this thirst to to lynch people for any reason we can find, no matter how valid or not. They just seem to latch onto anything that can validate their shitty behavior.
Accusations are more than enough for general society to shun you out, which is rather worrying.
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