Donald Trump just threatened to cause an unprecedented global financial crisis - Polidicks

It's comforting to know that people like Govna are the tiny, insignificant minority and that if they even can vote, they probably won't.

[QUOTE=Govna;50281150]Then that candidate will bring us one step closer to the dismantling that we need. We're going to get there eventually with the way things are going. You can't continue having politicians like what we've got in a country that has the kinds of problems this one has and expect it to last forever. Because that's what your voting for regardless of whether you go with Trump or Clinton. Clinton has no intention of reforming the establishment that she's a part of, and as others have even admitted in the past, she's "just going to be presiding over the slow decline of the United States". Trump is the nuclear option, as I said. Things have to get worse before they get better. People are going to have to be pushed to a point of desperation before they finally learn their lesson and finally reach the decision that enough is enough. It is. But like I said, we're not going to make things better the way things are currently structured. Nothing really changes under the present order of things, and that stagnation is a problem. Just look at how ineffective Congress has been. Again, we had an opportunity here to make things better with Sanders-- someone who stood against everything both Clinton and Trump represented with their dishonesty, elitism, and greed-- but that time may very well have passed. So fuck it, if we can't change the system from within using the democratic process and electing decent candidates to office (who are a rarity in the first place), then the system is useless and should be destroyed. This isn't going to happen indefinitely. It never has before in history, and it never will. You can only push people so far before they finally decide that enough is enough and rationalize the fact they have very little/nothing left to live for, at which point they are willing to take matters into their own hands. Everything comes to a head eventually; it's not a question of if, it's only a question of time. You really think people are just going to sit around and continue to do nothing when their living standards plunge into the shitter, their civil rights are worthless, and the environment is fucked beyond belief? When has this ever happened before in human history? Never lol. Again, you can only push people so far before they finally decide enough is enough. It's not a vague hope at all. It's guaranteed that something will change. In time, a new order of things will emerge. It's not going to be anarchy and chaos forever; every time this happens, and it has happened plenty of times throughout history, something new emerges. And the fact of the matter is the present system is not working for us, the American people, and for our benefit as it's supposed to be. Why is that acceptable, exactly? Why should we just say, "Oh well, we're getting fucked, but it's no big deal"? That's the exact kind of apathetic bullshit that is keeping it afloat right now, when in reality is doesn't have to be this way. And it shouldn't be this way either. That's fine. It will come back. Something will arise again. Something always does. Again, look at history. Whether it's the fall of Rome, Persia, Spain, the British Empire, etc., the vacuum of disorder doesn't last forever. People inevitably pick up the pieces and rebuild. The worst problem, like Hegel said, is that people and governments are perfectly capable of studying history and understanding it-- they just aren't capable apparently of learning anything from it to make better decisions about the future, so this process rinses and repeats itself time and time again the world over. It doesn't have to be that way though if people don't want it to be. It's within our best interests as well to work towards making sure they do actually learn something this time around so we can avoid this bullshit from happening again (or at least for as long as we can). [editline]8 May 2016[/editline] Well it's going to. That's the way the global economy works. Doesn't matter if we're talking about the United States here, or if we're talking about China or some European state; whatever happens to one affects the others. Ripples. Consider then perhaps it's not such a great idea after all. Do you want to be dependent on us? I'd rather if you weren't, for [I]your[/I] benefit honestly. Trade is fine, but again, this kind of global system isn't really sustainable, and it's not exactly a good thing either-- not for jobs, not for promoting economic prosperity and equality, not for environmental conservation, etc.[/QUOTE] Such a long winded post just to say you're mad your chosen candidate didn't get picked.

[QUOTE=OmniConsUme;50281203]Jesus Christ, I'm sorry but I'm sticking with Hilary, shit like this is why I have nightmares about the future, People who are voting for trump to watch "America burn" doesn't realize that they would take the whole world down, And It would be worse than the Great Depression.[/QUOTE] Cause-and-effect, its doubtful Trump's presidency will cause a catastrophic failure of the nation to the point of resetting the system. If this pessimistic outcome were to happen, I expect an inherently broken cloak with new gears added than a phoenix rising from the ashes.

[QUOTE=Govna;50281150]-fucking madness-[/QUOTE] Holy shit dude you have like zero - possibly less than zero - idea of how the world actually works, and this is hilarious as you incessantly post in a manner that puts you across as some "all knowing" anti-sheeple. You've got no clue. You don't "dismantle" a country as big as the USA by voting in lunatics like Trump, you just weaken it until another country takes it's position. And who's to say those brave newer generations will be thankful you tore down the government? They might just hop right back on the Trump Train. You almost certainly wouldn't live to take part in the changes as they aren't overnight, and you almost definitely wouldn't survive the global economic collapse as so few people are ready for such an event today. Please, for the love of all that is sane and logical just abstain from voting. Trump is not the answer to this problem, he if anything will only exacerbate it and take the rest of the civilised world with him.

[QUOTE=JCDentonUNATCO;50278308]Does anyone have any doubts hes only in the presidential bid for personal gain?[/QUOTE] I've been saying it from the beginning. How people can expect a billionaire to want to redistribute wealth in the slightest is fucking ridiculous I remember one speech where he's like "Oh my god you people are gonna be so rich" and it was so obvious he was one Freudian slip away from talking about himself

Govna talks about how America deserves to be in shambles for voting for Trump/Hillary/whatever bad candidate and yet he wants to vote for Trump just to ruin the country, ironically making him part of the massive group of people who ""deserve"" to get fucked over by the new president. Also, could you not treat "x deserves y"-type statements like they're somehow objective facts? There's a shit ton of people with those kind of beliefs that always contradict other beliefs that also claim that certain people deserve something bad to them.

Are we sure Govna just isn't just an alt of Cody? Has anyone ever even seen them in the same room before?

[QUOTE=Pvt. Martin;50279831]Because He's knocked out every other Republican, Bernie Sanders is starting to Bern out, and all this legal shit with Hiliary is just ammunition for Trump to decimate her. Like him or not it looks like 4-8 years of a Trump Administration.[/QUOTE] If trump becomes president I don't forsee a 2nd term. That's either because people will wise up, because trump abolishes the presidentail system and becomes a dictator, or because america will be deceased.

[QUOTE=Punchy;50282216]If trump becomes president I don't forsee a 2nd term. That's either because people will wise up, because trump abolishes the presidentail system and becomes a dictator, or because america will be deceased.[/QUOTE] You vastly overestimate the powers of the president. Like, Trump would be a terrible leader who would absolutely harm the country during his term, but the president isn't capable of abolishing the presidential system, and the only way the country could ever be outright "deceased" is in the event of, like, catastrophic nuclear war, and that seems a tad unlikely as well (despite Trump's ridiculous promise to "never rule out nukes").

[QUOTE=Punchy;50282216]If trump becomes president I don't forsee a 2nd term. That's either because people will wise up, because trump [B]abolishes the presidentail system and becomes a dictator,[/B] or because america will be deceased.[/QUOTE] Do you have any idea how the American political system works Has anything trump said indicated that he's a totalitarian dictator First off; He can't do that. Second off; He wouldn't do that

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;50282427]You vastly overestimate the powers of the president. Like, Trump would be a terrible leader who would absolutely harm the country during his term, but the president isn't capable of abolishing the presidential system, and the only way the country could ever be outright "deceased" is in the event of, like, catastrophic nuclear war, and that seems a tad unlikely as well (despite Trump's ridiculous promise to "never rule out nukes").[/QUOTE] He can't make himself a dictator but he would harm the country for far longer than just his term. Imagine who he'd pick as a Supreme Court justice.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;50282648]He can't make himself a dictator but he would harm the country for far longer than just his term. Imagine who he'd pick as a Supreme Court justice.[/QUOTE] Especially considering it's not just one Supreme Court Justice he can pick with Scalia's vacancy, he may have a number of more afterwards. We have two rather old liberal Justices, Ginsburgh (83), Breyer (77), and the mostly independent Kennedy, who will be 80 by the time the election takes place. In a worst case scenario, wherein Scalia's seat is filled with a conservative, as well as if Ginsburgh; Breyer; and Kennedy all become too ill to continue their work, Trump could theoretically see to a 7-2 Supreme Court majority for the right. Even just getting one of the three's seats would have damning consequences for decades to come.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;50282427]You vastly overestimate the powers of the president. Like, Trump would be a terrible leader who would absolutely harm the country during his term, but the president isn't capable of abolishing the presidential system, and the only way the country could ever be outright "deceased" is in the event of, like, catastrophic nuclear war, and that seems a tad unlikely as well (despite Trump's ridiculous promise to "never rule out nukes").[/QUOTE] I legitimately hope you don't think my "he'll become a dictator" joke was serious speculation. [editline]8th May 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=phygon;50282550]Do you have any idea how the American political system works Has anything trump said indicated that he's a totalitarian dictator First off; He can't do that. Second off; He wouldn't do that[/QUOTE] Holy shit dude [editline]8th May 2016[/editline] guys i literally ended my post with "or america will die"

[QUOTE=Zeke129;50282648]He can't make himself a dictator but he would harm the country for far longer than just his term. Imagine who he'd pick as a Supreme Court justice.[/QUOTE] Judge Judy.

[QUOTE=Shibbey;50279837]But remember at the same time if he says anything dumb it's "just an act" right?[/QUOTE] Oh, and if he says something you disagree with, he's just saying to get votes, he doesn't really support it.

[QUOTE=Reshy;50278287]"I would borrow, knowing that if the economy crashed, you could make a deal," Trump said. "And if the economy was good, it was good. So therefore, you can't lose."[/quote] I don't even understand what this is supposed to mean. Can someone explain?

Some men just want to see the world burn. ~Alfred

[QUOTE=Punchy;50282216]If trump becomes president I don't forsee a 2nd term. That's either because people will wise up, because trump abolishes the presidentail system and becomes a dictator, or because america will be deceased.[/QUOTE] I don't like Trump either, but these kind of exaggerations every election are hilarious. The country never ends up fucked like everyone always claims it will. No matter who gets elected, it won't change the lives of average Americans in practically any way at all. All that ever happens is that the economy fluctuates in a normal (predictable) way and whoever just happens to be president at the time gets credit/discredit for it.

[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;50283439] No matter who gets elected, it won't change the lives of average Americans in practically any way at all. All that ever happens is that the economy fluctuates in a normal (predictable) way and whoever just happens to be president at the time gets credit/discredit for it.[/QUOTE] The ACA insured millions of Americans and Trump would help get it repealed, taking that coverage away. He would absolutely affect the lives of average Americans, for the worst.

[I][/I][QUOTE=Meller Yeller;50283439]I don't like Trump either, but these kind of exaggerations every election are hilarious. The country never ends up fucked like everyone always claims it will. No matter who gets elected, it won't change the lives of average Americans in practically any way at all. All that ever happens is that the economy fluctuates in a normal (predictable) way and whoever just happens to be president at the time gets credit/discredit for it.[/QUOTE] So we only elect presidents so that we can blame them for things that are completely outside of their control, and that's their only job? Shouldering the blame and otherwise not doing anything of consequence? That's it?

[QUOTE=Raidyr;50283462]The ACA insured millions of Americans and Trump would help get it repealed, taking that coverage away. He would absolutely affect the lives of average Americans, for the worst.[/QUOTE] He wants to repeal it to make a better system.

[QUOTE=Broseph_;50283772]He wants to repeal it to make a better system.[/QUOTE] And what bullshit "better system" will he put in place???

[QUOTE=Govna;50281150]-insanity-[/QUOTE] There's a difference between 'starting over' and 'destroying the balance of the world economy'. Tell me, honestly, that if the world went to shit because we went with your 'nuclear' option, and society collapsed, you would have the fortitude to survive more than a few months. In fact, tell me that the environment would be better off because of it, because it's not going to magically get better. You can't pin your hopes on a 'we will rebuild' just because you feel like doing it.

[QUOTE=FlandersNed;50283881]There's a difference between 'starting over' and 'destroying the balance of the world economy'. Tell me, honestly, that if the world went to shit because we went with your 'nuclear' option, and society collapsed, you would have the fortitude to survive more than a few months. In fact, tell me that the environment would be better off because of it, because it's not going to magically get better. You can't pin your hopes on a 'we will rebuild' just because you feel like doing it.[/QUOTE] You can if everyone accepts that money is imaginary and what needs to be done is working together but that's very unlikely anyways.

People who think America is "damaged" and "broken" need to get their heads out of their asses. The government may be dysfunctional at times, but the country as a whole is doing pretty fucking well. Which is all the more reason to vote against Trump because if he's in office, he [I]will[/I] make it damaged and broken. "make America great again" - pfft, when did we [I]stop[/I] being great?

[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;50283439]I don't like Trump either, but these kind of exaggerations every election are hilarious. The country never ends up fucked like everyone always claims it will. No matter who gets elected, it won't change the lives of average Americans in practically any way at all. All that ever happens is that the economy fluctuates in a normal (predictable) way and whoever just happens to be president at the time gets credit/discredit for it.[/QUOTE] That's like implying anything related to healthcare or legalization or current events are all irrelevant to presidential influence

[QUOTE=DELL;50283914]You can if everyone accepts that money is imaginary and what needs to be done is working together but that's very unlikely anyways.[/QUOTE] I wish star trek's economy was a reality but that's pretty much totally fiction, as of now [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50284049]People who think America is "damaged" and "broken" need to get their heads out of their asses. The government may be dysfunctional at times, but the country as a whole is doing pretty fucking well. Which is all the more reason to vote against Trump because if he's in office, he [I]will[/I] make it damaged and broken. "make America great again" - pfft, when did we [I]stop[/I] being great?[/QUOTE] I'm not currently living in a mud hut, so I'd say my country is doing pretty OK. But that's just me I guess [QUOTE=Punchy;50282216]If trump becomes president I don't forsee a 2nd term. That's either because people will wise up, because trump abolishes the presidentail system and becomes a dictator, or because america will be deceased.[/QUOTE] [URL="http://i.imgur.com/pPMKyZE.png"]You're wrong, he's obviously going to make himself a king because that kind of seems like his style[/URL]

[QUOTE=Adarrek;50282934]I don't even understand what this is supposed to mean. Can someone explain?[/QUOTE] "Eh, let the country default, I've had debts default before and I was always able to negotiate a deal with the collection agency to let me pay back what I could." Because the world's economy is just an upscaled version of a medium-sized town's businesses and banks working with each other, right?

[QUOTE=FlandersNed;50283881]There's a difference between 'starting over' and 'destroying the balance of the world economy'. Tell me, honestly, that if the world went to shit because we went with your 'nuclear' option, and society collapsed, you would have the fortitude to survive more than a few months. In fact, tell me that the environment would be better off because of it, because it's not going to magically get better. You can't pin your hopes on a 'we will rebuild' just because you feel like doing it.[/QUOTE] we would eventually rebuild, as we have done so before after many other civilizational collapse, but it would be a long, painful progress and certainly not worth speeding towards. collapse isn't the end but it sure as he isn't something we should be okay with or want

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;50284115]we would eventually rebuild, as we have done so before after many other civilizational collapse, but it would be a long, painful progress and certainly not worth speeding towards. collapse isn't the end but it sure as he isn't something we should be okay with or want[/QUOTE] We (The US) suffered through the great depression, and that was fuckloads worse, we can all get through this as well