Makayla Sault, Ontario First Nation girl, dies after abandoning chemo for traditional, alternative t - Polidicks

Normally I'd say "she used it as a scapegoat to disguise right to die", but the fact that she's only 11 is alarming. I doubt any sane parent would allow their kid to die at 11.

This as stupid as Steve Jobs death. Fucker had and got told he had a very good chance of surviving chemo but instead he fucking drank tea's and smoothies and ended up dying.

If those fuckfaces weren't borderline mentally ill, this girl would be alive right now and we wouldn't be talking about this at all.

I remember reading in several articles that the kid herself asked to stop treatments after she ended up in intensive care (because yknow, chemo's rough). If it's her choice then no one can really complain. Chemo's super painful.

[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;46979186]Tell that to her parents. I insist, this is a fucking disgrace, I hate it when this happens. I read about cases like this, when Jehovah's witness refuse blood transfusions and some little kid dies... I'll never understand it.[/QUOTE] Because religious justification. "She's in the arms of Jesus now".

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;46979724]In Uk recently there was a ruckus about a kid being taken from hospital to be treated in spain with some proton beam therapy which isn't provided anywhere in the UK. There were pics of this kid with cancer surrounded by cops while his parents were in jail, that probably did more harm to the kid than the journey to spain. In poland GSK was paying doctors to subscribe pills the patient didn't even need, this poses a possible conflict of interest. In both cases having the state decide on what treatment people get (through professionals which would cost either the state or the parents money) opens up both of the issues above and more. What if I don't want my kid having a certain type of pills? What if I genuinely, with good intent, think there is a better course for treatment? A top down, state makes all the decisions based system is what the US was founded on trying to avoid, granted it was optimistic but lots of people would oppose such state interference, they would see it as a denial of freedom which they would once have had.[/QUOTE] the state isn't making all those decisions it's the state's duty to ensure that minors become adults, only if the parents are not providing properly, then the state steps in

"Chemo is killing my body" Yes, that's because chemo kills your body until as much of the cancer as possible is dead. It's just a bunch of toxic shit which happens to kill cancer quicker than it kills the rest of you. It's brutal, but it works a lot of the time.

Dumbass parents [editline]21st January 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=mdeceiver79;46979197]Its sort of difficult to decide who has the right to decide.[/QUOTE] It is not difficult at all. [QUOTE]Should it be the child? Are they capable of making the right decision?[/QUOTE] Child is too young to decide for itself. [QUOTE]Should it be the parent? Should they have that power over the child?[/QUOTE] That would fall under child neglect and there are laws against that. [QUOTE]Should it be the government? Should they have that power over the child and the parents, would it set a dangerous precedent of government controlling peoples lives?[/QUOTE] To prevent a kid from dying, yes! What if the kid would have become an adult which would have decided against alternative medicine?

Take alternative medicine before chemo, look into zeolites (special minerals). Don't take any type of "strange" medicine during chemo, when the immune system is totally fucked up. She would have even died from a common cold...

Lel doesn't she know that chemo is basically all the stuff she wanted but concentrated as fuck

[QUOTE=Dr. Haxx;46981884]Take alternative medicine before chemo, look into zeolites (special minerals). [/QUOTE] Nah. Take the medicine that actually works.

And they had the nerve to blame the Hospital afterward?

I would say alternative medicine should be avoided in most cases, cancer being one of them. However, if you have some sort of illness that is weird to the point of being untreatable by regular methods, or easily treatable (legitimately treatable, not "you think it's working") through holistic practice, I'd say fuck the doctors, go do the other thing. Although it should always be a secondary response to seeking licensed professionals.

What really irritates me is this part: [quote]"Chemotherapy did irreversible damage to her heart and major organs. This was the cause of the stroke."[/quote] Even though they killed her by taking her off the medicine she needed, they're still pretending it was all the big bad doctors' fault.

How is this not manslaughter

[QUOTE=Megadave;46979791]Well of coarse not, you use treatments of rick simpson oil, high concentrations of CBD dealt out over along period of time. Several blunts a day of the highest cbd content won't dent it.[/QUOTE] Come one come all, buy Rick Simpson's Patent Snake Oil. Gather round, gather round. Guaranteed to cure all cancer wot ails you. Leukemia? Lymphoma? Cancer of the bowels or lung? No matter the type, just take daily doses of Rick Simpson's Patent Snake Oil and all will be gone.

I can tell most people here haven't had to deal with a family member undergoing chemo, which makes perfect sense, but going through chemo is absolute hell. My wife is currently fighting cancer, and [I]thankfully[/I] she no longer needs to take chemo, but when she did it was horrible. There were multiple times where she told me she no longer wanted to live, because it was so bad. I've had her faint multiple times, shit herself, throw up, you name it. It's not a walk in the park, and I couldn't [I]imagine[/I] what chemo must have been like for that 11 year old girl if a grown woman has such terrible symptoms. I completely understand why she wanted to op for alternative medicines, and frankly I know this will sound horrible, but at least she's no longer in pain anymore. Chemo is almost as awful as the cancer itself. It's a damn shame it's one of the only ways to fight it.

[QUOTE=Sanjuaro;46983492]I can tell most people here haven't had to deal with a family member undergoing chemo, which makes perfect sense, but going through chemo is absolute hell. My wife is currently fighting cancer, and [I]thankfully[/I] she no longer needs to take chemo, but when she did it was horrible. There were multiple times where she told me she no longer wanted to live, because it was so bad. I've had her faint multiple times, shit herself, throw up, you name it. It's not a walk in the park, and I couldn't [I]imagine[/I] what chemo must have been like for that 11 year old girl if a grown woman has such terrible symptoms. I completely understand why she wanted to op for alternative medicines, and frankly I know this will sound horrible, but at least she's no longer in pain anymore. Chemo is almost as awful as the cancer itself. It's a damn shame it's one of the only ways to fight it.[/QUOTE] Some arguments in this thread are that Chemo is always better because it [i]sometimes[/i] works, and any alternative treatment is a hippie scam, or that she's too stupid to decide for herself and the state should've forced treatment on her. I'm not sure if this is the same girl or a different one, but there was an article here a few weeks ago about someone who denied chemotherapy and would rather use alternative treatments or just die in peace. Every response was that she should be forced to take it because it might work, like there's no risk or downsides to it. I doubt some of you even know how chemotherapy works beyond "always cures cancer, sometimes causes baldness".

[quote]"Surrounded by the love and support of her family, her community and her nation … Makayla completed her course. She is now safely in the arms of Jesus,"[/quote] How the fuck is dying "completing her course". Stupid fucking inbred parents.

[QUOTE=AlexConnor;46983323]Come one come all, buy Rick Simpson's Patent Snake Oil. Gather round, gather round. Guaranteed to cure all cancer wot ails you. Leukemia? Lymphoma? Cancer of the bowels or lung? No matter the type, just take daily doses of Rick Simpson's Patent Snake Oil and all will be gone.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/cannabis/healthprofessional/page4[/url] [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/16/marijuana-tumors_n_5588639.html[/url] [url]http://www.medicaljane.com/2014/08/28/study-cannabinoids-may-increase-lung-cancers-susceptibilty-to-specialized-killer-cells/[/url] come again?

[QUOTE=Megadave;46983707][url]http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/cannabis/healthprofessional/page4[/url] [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/16/marijuana-tumors_n_5588639.html[/url] [url]http://www.medicaljane.com/2014/08/28/study-cannabinoids-may-increase-lung-cancers-susceptibilty-to-specialized-killer-cells/[/url] come again?[/QUOTE] what would be your point?

[QUOTE=An Hero;46983654]How the fuck is dying "completing her course". Stupid fucking inbred parents.[/QUOTE] Some people lose their most beloved family members and would give *anything* to have them back, and these people pretty much let her daughter to die, having everything at their disposal. It's so unfair, and to people who lost family members, even infuriating. I cannot respect a person who doesn't grasp that concept. [editline]21st January 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Megadave;46983707][url]http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/cannabis/healthprofessional/page4[/url] [url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/16/marijuana-tumors_n_5588639.html[/url] [url]http://www.medicaljane.com/2014/08/28/study-cannabinoids-may-increase-lung-cancers-susceptibilty-to-specialized-killer-cells/[/url] come again?[/QUOTE] Please elaborate.

Short version, CBD/THC has at least the effect to prevent and slow/stop the growth of some cancers.

[QUOTE=Megadave;46983760]Short version, CBD/THC has at least the effect to prevent and slow/stop the growth of some cancers.[/QUOTE] Pretty sure that doesn't mean "if I smoke enough pot, my cancer will be cured braaahhhh".

[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;46983817]Pretty sure that doesn't mean "if I smoke enough pot, my cancer will be cured braaahhhh".[/QUOTE] trace the replies, I said rick simpson oil. Obviously smoking it isn't gonna do anything like cure cancer. Smoking isn't concentrated enough, and is bound to give you a headache before you get anywhere close. Though I have close experience with it enlonging the life of someone with Multiple Sclerosis.

[QUOTE=Megadave;46983890]trace the replies, I said rick simpson oil. Obviously smoking it isn't gonna do anything like cure cancer. Smoking isn't concentrated enough, and is bound to give you a headache before you get anywhere close. Though I have close experience with it enlonging the life of someone with Multiple Sclerosis.[/QUOTE] Sorry for the aside, but it should be "prolonging" or "extending" instead of whatever the hell "enlonging" is. Not important, and I'm not trying to be mean, I'm just saying that you should try to use real words whenever making a point in a debate.