Intel announces end of 'tick-tock' development model
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Why would Intel have any reason to make (significantly) faster CPUs if they don't have anyone to compete with? They have the tech, they could start production in a week if they wanted to, they just have no reason to.
That's why monopoly doesn't work. You have no competition and therefore no reason to innovate your product and make it better. Intel is keeping their good shit hidden away until someone steps their game up and releases a competitor that actually poses a threat to them.
[QUOTE=Sam Za Nemesis;49995778]Not quite, but price it lower than the Intel offerings of the same tier and you have everyone's hearts and money
AMD isn't playing the catch-up game anymore, the Radeon Pro Duo has 16 Teraflops compared to 8 from Nvidia's Titan Z, and all other cards beat Nvidia's cards of the same tier by far in DX12/Vulkan perfomance[/QUOTE]
Why are you bringing up GPUs in a thread about CPU performance? They are still playing catch up since Nvidia has a much larger market share of the GPU market, and AMD are dead in the CPU market right now. We have all seen these amazing claims back in the bulldozer days. Until they start sending chips out to third party reviewers I will remain skeptical.
[QUOTE=Sam Za Nemesis;49994663]Zen is coming this year and it'll probably crush intel
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Headlines are saying [U]AMD Zen CPU Core Testing “Met All Expectation” – No “Significant Bottlenecks” Found[/U][/QUOTE]
I'm really hesitant to believe this because I swear for the past 5+ years it's been "[AMD's next architecture] will crush Intel, they better bend over and get ready for a rampant fucking right now"
[QUOTE=smurfy;49997170]I'm really hesitant to believe this because I swear for the past 5+ years it's been "[AMD's next architecture] will crush Intel, they better bend over and get ready for a rampant fucking right now"[/QUOTE]
I don't think anyone (technically minded) have said that, except maybe a few before Bulldozer came out. It has basically been "maybe Steamroller will make them viable in non-budget build?" for the optimistic crowd.
I really wouldn't be surprised if Zen made 40% gains in IPC, looking at Cinebench they'd basically catch up to maybe Haswell level IPC. Which really isn't that dramatic, but it would make them competitive again. Then they can move up the TDP a bit for the people wanting performance without caring for power draw and be competitive with the big guns. Intel hasn't made really dramatic gains in the last few years (except in power consumption), so this isn't because AMD has necessarily done the "best job ever" with Zen, they're just catching up to someone who has been doing his taxes while the 100m sprint was going on.
[QUOTE=Th3applek1d;49996930]Why would Intel have any reason to make (significantly) faster CPUs if they don't have anyone to compete with? They have the tech, they could start production in a week if they wanted to, they just have no reason to.
That's why monopoly doesn't work. You have no competition and therefore no reason to innovate your product and make it better. Intel is keeping their good shit hidden away until someone steps their game up and releases a competitor that actually poses a threat to them.[/QUOTE]
Eh not really. It might slow progression down of course, but at the same time unless you make significant changes no one has any reason to upgrade. My i5-2500k from 4-5 years ago is pretty much on par with most on the market today so I don't upgrade. If Intel keeps all the good tech to itself it'll shoot itself in the foot because people will just keep on using what they already have.
But of course competition is always good. You just can't help if the competition is not actually that good though.
[QUOTE=Sam Za Nemesis;49995778]Not quite, but price it lower than the Intel offerings of the same tier and you have everyone's hearts and money
AMD isn't playing the catch-up game anymore, the Radeon Pro Duo has 16 Teraflops compared to 8 from Nvidia's Titan Z, and all other cards beat Nvidia's cards of the same tier by far in DX12/Vulkan perfomance[/QUOTE]
AMD's current CPUs are at heart still based on Bulldozer, an architecture that just isn't years old but was widely considered very bad for its time. It got lower IPC than the architecture it replaced in some cases. It's been years and Intel has had newer architectures and AMD is still modifying that flawed base. Not to mention their far outdated CPU process node.
And their GPU offerings are completely irrelevant to their CPU offerings. Radeon and AMD are essentially different and unrelated, as a history of AMD has revealed that they never really worked together. Some say that for years after the ATI aquistion employees still wore ATI shirts. It's why the Radeon group is still seperate. This shows an embarrassing inability to properly integrate an extremely useful, and not to mention costly, investment.
I don't think that an Intel monopoly is a good thing, but AMD has not been pushing tech or innovating. Their products are not meeting the needs of some very important markets, such as servers and mobile chips. Their architecture is just too hot and power inefficient.
[QUOTE=GunFox;49994331]Moores law has been gone for some time. Processors haven't had any meaningful gains in years. Look at the numbers.[/QUOTE]
On the bright side, I save money by sticking with my old CPU.
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