[QUOTE=marlkarxv2;26212555]If Israel actually wanted to deal with Hamas, they would listen to them instead of treating them like subhuman terrorist dirty Arabs. Bombing the fuck out of the Palestinians does nothing. Hamas does "terrorist attacks" because that's all they can do.
Fuck, this particular incident has to do with 'Army of Islam' militants and not Hamas![/QUOTE]
:objection: Hamas are still terrorists.
[QUOTE=Raneman;26213260]:objection: Hamas are still terrorists.[/QUOTE]
Some members of Hamas' military wing have done some bad stuff, but that's not representative of the Brigades or the actual political party.
[QUOTE=marlkarxv2;26213388]Some members of Hamas' military wing have done some bad stuff, but that's not representative of the Brigades or the actual political party.[/QUOTE]
[quote=wikipedia]Hamas (حماس Ḥamās, an acronym of حركة المقاومة الاسلامية Ḥarakat al-Muqāwamat al-Islāmiyyah, meaning "Islamic Resistance Movement") is a Palestinian Islamist socio-political organization, with a military wing, the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades.[5][6] Hamas is classified terrorist organization by a number of governments, including those of Israel, the European Union,[7][8] the United States,[9] Canada[10] and Japan.[11][12][/quote]
Not terrorist according to you, even though most of the developed world thinks so.
[QUOTE=Wayword;26213541]Not terrorist according to you, even though most of the developed world thinks so.[/QUOTE]
Calling them a terrorist organization is unjustified, and even so Norway, Russia, Switzerland, and Turkey do not view them as terrorists.
[QUOTE=marlkarxv2;26213593]Calling them a terrorist organization is unjustified, and even so Norway, Russia, Switzerland, and Turkey do not view them as terrorists.[/QUOTE]
:objection: Who gives a shit about any of them?
[QUOTE=Raneman;26213632]:objection: Who gives a shit about any of them?[/QUOTE]
Woah, woah, woah. You best not be talkin' shit 'bout Norway, Russia, Switerland, and Turkey.
Why is Israel still a country :eng99:
[QUOTE=Fycix;26213717]Why is Israel still a country :eng99:[/QUOTE]
Because the IDF manages to hold themselves off whenever the Arab League attacks.
Also, they're bros with the west.
[QUOTE=Fycix;26213717]Why is Israel still a country :eng99:[/QUOTE]
Why do people make stupid statements like this?
[editline]22nd November 2010[/editline]
:eng99:
[QUOTE=starpluck;26206388]He's a republican, ignore him. And SA is the most [factual] "liberal forum on the internet".[/QUOTE]
Actualy I'm third party, both extremes are shitholes.
[QUOTE=marlkarxv2;26213593]Calling them a terrorist organization is unjustified, and even so Norway, Russia, Switzerland, and Turkey do not view them as terrorists.[/QUOTE]
That's because if Russia called anyone terrorists, it'd be harder to get away with selling wepaons to them.
[QUOTE=Sporkfire;26206551]nice, BED care to enlighten us as to what they Hebrew says?[/QUOTE]
The Hebrew parts are written backwards, because it was made in Photoshop, but they say:
"I am a proud gay Jew"
"I fuck goats"
"I enjoy raping little children"
Really "funny", dude.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;26216384]That's because if Russia called anyone terrorists, it'd be harder to get away with selling weapons to them.[/QUOTE]
Russia sells weapons to Iran and licenses them to manufacture a bunch. There's also the fact that Russian weapons are far more distributed than other weapons due to their ease of use, cheapness and high Russian influence in several regions. Most weapons that get into the hands of Hamas and other terrorist groups are second hand and out of Russia's influence.
Also Russia loves killing extremist Muslims (or just random Muslims) as much if not more than anyone else. They don't really give a fuck.
Israel is unjustified in the way they respond. You could argue that they're trying to make a point, but that's only valid when they refrain from killing civilians. That being said, palestine is wrong not in that theyre fighting israel, but that they are attacking civilians. I don't agree with zionism, and I dont agree with shariah law islamofascism, so if they want to have violent actions, palestine should attack israeli military, not civilians.
Israel is wrong because palestine was given to them by british mandated colonists, thus, palestine is a colonial country, and deserves independence. their government (zionism) is just democratic theocracy, as it's based off of state religion. their responses are too harsh because they keep killing innocent civilians.
Palestine is wrong because they too are a theocracy, only this time, theyre islamofascists. their want for independence, however admirable, is being sought after through unjustifiably violent means because theyre attacking civilians too.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;26212259]You should wear a star of David armband because you admire their military prowess[/QUOTE]
That doesn't even make any sense, you twat.
[QUOTE=RayDark;26218334]That doesn't even make any sense, you twat.[/QUOTE]
I think he's making a holocaust joke
[QUOTE=RayDark;26201519]Israel, I'm going to destroy you.[/QUOTE]
No, you're gonna go jerk off to Bible Black or whatever it is you nerds do nowadays. Then you're gonna scream at your mom for not scrambling your eggs right.
[QUOTE=marlkarxv2;26212555]If Israel actually wanted to deal with Hamas, they would listen to them instead of treating them like subhuman terrorist dirty Arabs. Bombing the fuck out of the Palestinians does nothing. Hamas does "terrorist attacks" because that's all they can do.
Fuck, this particular incident has to do with 'Army of Islam' militants and not Hamas![/QUOTE]
When militants fire mortars to hit civilians, they obviously don't desire peaceful dialogue, nor do they deserve it. Israel has the right to strike back and annihilate any force which does this.
If the Army of Islam were bombing military targets, then things would be different. However, they're not. I find it hilarious how Israeli forces would be crucified on FP if they attacked a village - however, not a word is spoken when Palestinian militants do the same. Brilliant double standards.
[QUOTE=Jiyoon;26218353]I think he's making a holocaust joke[/QUOTE]
He was getting pissy because people would get offend by his swastika armband that he allegedly wants to wear because he, "admired the Nazi's military prowess."
[QUOTE=IStanI;26206516][img_thumb]http://i51.tinypic.com/2u61zko.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE]
That's some mad photoshop and MS paint skills there bro, btw you got all the Hebrew letters backwards, that's pretty stupid, I must say.
And for Sporkfire's request: "I am a gay proud Jew" "I fuck goats" "I enjoy raping little kids", but keep in mind they're all backwards so it's more like "weJ duorp yag a ma I" "staog kcuf I" "sdik elttil gnipar yojne I".
[editline]22nd November 2010[/editline]
[QUOTE=marlkarxv2;26207910]Militant groups launch the rockets because they're oppressed and they can't help themselves. They really have no other way to fight back. Talking to Israel? Never works. Leaving Palestine? Fucking hard as shit and wouldn't even be worth it because Israel's IDF and police are guarding everything.[/QUOTE]
"Hey guys I'm oppressed so I can't help myself with not terrorizing people".
[quote]Talking to Israel? Never works.[/quote]
Yeah, because Hamas never tried that.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;26219975]
"Hey guys I'm oppressed so I can't help myself with not terrorizing people".
[/QUOTE]
As much as I don't think violence is the answer, this is pretty much the case. I cannot stress it enough, oppression will always lead to violence. Honestly BED can you name a single long-term occupation against the will of the people that didn't have violence in it? Even the Tibetans had an insurgency against the Chinese before or how about India's independence struggle? They're know for having peace movements but even they had killing frenzies against their occupiers.
I don't think you can just expect that some of the Palestinians won't try fight back when they're being treated the way they are now. The world isn't a made up of lollipops and sugercanes some people just can't help themselves. not always right, but it'll always be an inevitable outcome.
[QUOTE=marlkarxv2;26212555]If Israel actually wanted to deal with Hamas, they would listen to them instead of treating them like subhuman terrorist dirty Arabs.[/QUOTE]
Are you implying they're not?
Israel, stop being a dick.
ITT: People justify both attacks on the populaces while actual populace of both areas suffer due to dickish governments or prejudiced groups.
The real problem is the governments/groups that speak out and attack wrongly in the name of their respective people, claiming to have noble intentions to being back the people their rights/land while all they want is political power, land or money.
The sad thing is the attacks would be supported by Israelis (and the hamas attacks by palestnians) almost 100% since there has been so much bad blood for such a long time.
tl;dr (or you just think I'm dumb):
These back'n'forth attacks were authorized by people who want more following and exploit the current situation.
However, all of the above does not mean I'm picking a side, I just want both sides to chill the fuck out. especially the people, because if support drops for these kind of attacks then eventually the government will stop because if they dont the people will.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;26219829]He was getting pissy because people would get offend by his swastika armband that he allegedly wants to wear because he, "admired the Nazi's military prowess."[/QUOTE]
That's dumb. the nazis were a political party, not a military. If you admired Germany's military prowess, wear an iron cross.
[QUOTE=PunchedInFac;26224891]ITT: People justify both attacks on the populaces while actual populace of both areas suffer due to dickish governments or prejudiced groups.
The real problem is the governments/groups that speak out and attack wrongly in the name of their respective people, claiming to have noble intentions to being back the people their rights/land while all they want is political power, land or money.
The sad thing is the attacks would be supported by Israelis (and the hamas attacks by palestnians) almost 100% since there has been so much bad blood for such a long time.
tl;dr (or you just think I'm dumb):
These back'n'forth attacks were authorized by people who want more following and exploit the current situation.
However, all of the above does not mean I'm picking a side, I just want both sides to chill the fuck out. especially the people, because if support drops for these kind of attacks then eventually the government will stop because if they dont the people will.[/QUOTE]
Finally somebody has it right.
I have a feeling it will end with one big conflict.
Don't say anything bad about israel. Unless you wanna be called antisemite. weird jews and their propaganda
[QUOTE=whiteguyV2;26232950]Don't say anything bad about israel. Unless you wanna be called antisemite. weird jews and their propaganda[/QUOTE]
I don't mind criticism on Israel as long as it's not idiotic like this guy. At least with constructive criticism, like Sporkfire's for example, I can learn what's actually wrong and when I argue with rightist Israelis I know everything thoroughly.
[QUOTE=Sporkfire;26222965]As much as I don't think violence is the answer, this is pretty much the case. I cannot stress it enough, oppression will always lead to violence. Honestly BED can you name a single long-term occupation against the will of the people that didn't have violence in it? Even the Tibetans had an insurgency against the Chinese before or how about India's independence struggle? They're know for having peace movements but even they had killing frenzies against their occupiers.
I don't think you can just expect that some of the Palestinians won't try fight back when they're being treated the way they are now. The world isn't a made up of lollipops and sugercanes some people just can't help themselves. not always right, but it'll always be an inevitable outcome.[/QUOTE]
Regardless of how much they are or are not oppressed, /nothing/ justified deliberate targeting of civilians. Nor does it matter if that's the "inevitable outcome", although it often is - it's still not right, and should not be treated as something to be reluctantly tolerated.
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