Well, [b]historically[/b], she's correct
[quote]The key vote came on June 4, 1919, when the Senate approved the amendment by 56 to 25 after four hours of debate, during which Democratic Senators opposed to the amendment filibustered to prevent a roll call until their absent Senators could be protected by pairs. The Ayes included 36 (82%) Republicans and 20 (54%) Democrats. The Nays comprised 8 (18%) Republicans and 17 (46%) Democrats. It was ratified by sufficient states in 1920, the Nineteenth Amendment, which prohibited state or federal sex-based restrictions on voting.[/quote]
[QUOTE=trotskygrad;34794570]Well, [b]historically[/b], she's correct[/QUOTE] Historically the parties basically changed names too. Your point is?
[QUOTE=1/4 Life;34796252]Historically the parties basically changed names too. Your point is?[/QUOTE]
Not really. The democrats were the progressives even in the 20s. Look at FDR
[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy16;34796392]Not really. The democrats were the progressives even in the 20s. Look at FDR[/QUOTE]
Go father back. In the Civil War the Republicans were on the left, preferring a federal government and having large support in the north while the Democrats were just the opposite.
[QUOTE=Hidole555;34796498]Go father back. In the Civil War the Republicans were on the left, preferring a federal government and having large support in the north while the Democrats were just the opposite.[/QUOTE]
That's too far back. The women's suffrage amendment was ratified in 1919
why is she a thing still.
[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy16;34796392]Not really. The democrats were the progressives even in the 20s. Look at FDR[/QUOTE]
>>20's
>>FDR
Nope.
1933.
[QUOTE=Last or First;34796783]>>20's
>>FDR
Nope.
1933.[/QUOTE]
I know when FDR was president dumbshit. I was just saying that they became progressive around the 1910s-early 20s and cited FDR as a progressive democrat
[QUOTE=Last or First;34796783]>>20's
>>FDR
Nope.
1933.[/QUOTE]
The Democratic Party didn't really 'turn Progressive' until the 30s with the New Deal Coalition. So yes, to say that they were Progressive "with FDR" in the 20s would be inaccurate.
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[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy16;34796990]I was just saying that they became progressive around the 1910s-early 20s[/QUOTE]
And you're basing this on what, exactly?
[QUOTE=Megafan;34797055]And you're basing this on what, exactly?[/QUOTE]
Keynes released his book around that time and his economic policies were quickly picked up by the democratic party
[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy16;34797146]Keynes released his book around that time and his economic policies were quickly picked up by the democratic party[/QUOTE]
What have you read to suggest that the Democratic Party as a political organization picked up keynesian economics in the 1910s and early 1920s?
[QUOTE=Megafan;34797191]What have you read to suggest that the Democratic Party as a political organization picked up keynesian economics in the 1910s and early 1920s?[/QUOTE]
I'd assume that the policies that were supported as part of the New Deal had some degree of support in the Democratic party for quite a while before they were instituted
[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy16;34797433]I'd assume that the policies that were supported as part of the New Deal had some degree of support in the Democratic party for quite a while before they were instituted[/QUOTE]
Earlier you stated it as if it were fact, and now you claim to assume it? Either they were picked up or they weren't. The 'New Deal' as a political concept did not even exist until the 30s, so surely you must be getting this idea from somewhere?
[QUOTE=Megafan;34797655]Earlier you stated it as if it were fact, and now you claim to assume it? Either they were picked up or they weren't. The 'New Deal' as a political concept did not even exist until the 30s, so surely you must be getting this idea from somewhere?[/QUOTE]
No it's mostly conjecture so it could be wrong
[QUOTE=SomeRandomGuy16;34796392]Not really. The democrats were the progressives even in the 20s. Look at FDR[/QUOTE]
Its hard to say because they didn't instantly change everything. Wilson was the one that started the transition for the democrats, but it wasn't really complete until Truman's time. Before Truman most democrats were either conservative or indifferent when it came to social politics (although some like Wilson did support women's rights.)
[QUOTE=Last or First;34796783]>>20's
>>FDR
Nope.
1933.[/QUOTE]
Wilson.
[QUOTE=Capitulazyguy;34805740]Wilson.[/QUOTE]
Wilson was a Centrist at best, hardly someone you could peg as 'Progressive'.
[QUOTE=1/4 Life;34796252]Historically the parties basically changed names too. Your point is?[/QUOTE]
that you can't generalize across history across party lines
[QUOTE=Megafan;34806060]Wilson was a Centrist at best, hardly someone you could peg as 'Progressive'.[/QUOTE]
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Era]Only[/url] [url=http://www.shmoop.com/progressive-era-politics/woodrow-wilson.html]according[/url] [url=http://staff.imsa.edu/socsci/jvictory/help_05_06/exemplary_papers05/seo_2/progressive.htm]to[/url] [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodrow_Wilson]you[/url].
But then, why let the facts get in the way of a good narrative?
[QUOTE=Hidole555;34776173]“These are the questions that I think Republicans can unite on. They do have to be framed, as they really are, as the defense of individual freedom against the right now limitless power of the state,” Daniels said.[/QUOTE]
But, you could say the same exact thing if the situation was reversed. Doesn't it fall under my individual freedom if I want to go on birth control or not? If I want to have my hypothetical child or abort it? And, in my opinion, I believe some people can't really afford birth control. All girls in the country could be mandatorily prescribed birth control, and it still wouldn't make each and every girl take it. They're making it sound like this law'll make some force go around and shove the pill down their throats.
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