Israel to ask U.S. for $20billion extra in military aid because of Middle East turmoil - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Devodiere;28517770]When it was British territory, the Jews were pushing for the creation of Israel, the Arabs not only wanted their own state, but didn't want the Jews to get one. I don't care why they didn't like the idea of Israel, they hated it before it was even a state.[/QUOTE] Well, let's say you're living in your house all happy and shit (Palestine) and then some random guy (Britain) drops by and says "hey, you guys need to hand over your house to these guys (Isreal) immediately because they used to live here like a billion years ago. Also, you have no rights."

[QUOTE=aydin690;28517900]Well, let's say you're living in your house all happy and shit (Palestine) and then some random guy (Britain) drops by and says "hey, you guys need to hand over your house to these guys (Isreal) immediately because they used to live here like a billion years ago. Also, you have no rights."[/QUOTE] and then they bulldoze your new house

[QUOTE=aydin690;28517900]Well, let's say you're living in your house all happy and shit (Palestine) and then some random guy (Britain) drops by and says "hey, you guys need to hand over your house to these guys (Isreal) immediately because they used to live here like a billion years ago. Also, you have no rights."[/QUOTE] So much wrong with this. Britain was in charge of the entire area, they are not some random guy and have more than enough right to tell you to gtfo. They also didn't demand that they give their houses over. Most of the land was divided into the predominately Jewish and predominately Arab areas so there wasn't a huge overlap and the ones who were in Israeli land and left either left because they thought Arabs would take the land back shortly or they were kicked out by rioters. The reasons for creating it can be argued completely without bringing up the historical relevance the land has to the Jews so thinking that's the only reason is uneducated. They also have plenty or rights, Arab citizens in Israel have all the rights of normal citizens and even Arabs in the West Bank are given treatment comparable to any police force by Israeli police, far better than any Egyption civilian got from their police.

[QUOTE=Devodiere;28518247]So much wrong with this. Britain was in charge of the entire area, they are not some random guy and have more than enough right to tell you to gtfo. They also didn't demand that they give their houses over. Most of the land was divided into the predominately Jewish and predominately Arab areas so there wasn't a huge overlap and the ones who were in Israeli land and left either left because they thought Arabs would take the land back shortly or they were kicked out by rioters. The reasons for creating it can be argued completely without bringing up the historical relevance the land has to the Jews so thinking that's the only reason is uneducated. They also have plenty or rights, Arab citizens in Israel have all the rights of normal citizens and even Arabs in the West Bank are given treatment comparable to any police force by Israeli police, far better than any Egyption civilian got from their police.[/QUOTE] Not really, just because Britain had colonized the region, doesnt mean they had the right to tell the indigenous people already living there to "gtfo". Also, the part about arabs having equal rights is horseshit and you know it.

[QUOTE=aydin690;28518336]Not really, just because Britain had colonized the region, doesnt mean they had the right to tell the indigenous people already living there to "gtfo". Also, the part about arabs having equal rights is horseshit and you know it.[/QUOTE] You obviously don't know much about colonisation. They own the land, they can do whatever they want. Kick natives out of their homes, treat them brutally, enforce policies that make them second class citizens, whatever they want. Not like this was unacceptable behaviour at the time either, everyone who had a colony did it. I would say their rights in Israel are comparable to any ethnic minority. They don't have so much of a say in politics due to their numbers but they are still given decent treatment. Not the best but everyone has prejudices, black people in the US get shitty treatment despite all laws saying they shouldn't.

That is ridiculous. But if the do stabilize the middle east, it could be a 20 billion pricetag for lower gas prices.

[QUOTE=Silent-Boble;28517120]Galil, TAR-21, Negev, Uzi, Jeicho, Desert Eagle, IMI 120 mm gun based on the Rheinmetall gun, Iron Fist, Dror, BUL M-5, MATADOR, and many more, such as advanced radio and cable communications, advanced radar systems, advanced anti missile systems etc. [/QUOTE] yeah i'm fine with not having that shit now israeli hummus, that's some shit we need to maintain but luckily we, as palastinians and israelis (note i'm neither of those bloody foreigners hurr) can reunite using the spirit of hummus

wow israel, bomb the arabs with your own money

[QUOTE=Devodiere;28518406]You obviously don't know much about colonisation. They own the land, they can do whatever they want. Kick natives out of their homes, treat them brutally, enforce policies that make them second class citizens, whatever they want. Not like this was unacceptable behaviour at the time either, everyone who had a colony did it. [/QUOTE] You misunderstood me. I meant just because its the law, it doesnt mean its right and it cannot be used to justify israels creation.

[QUOTE=aydin690;28518554]You misunderstood me. I meant just because its the law, it doesnt mean its right and it cannot be used to justify israels creation.[/QUOTE] I don't really care if it was justified. Some people do, they can argue that. For me, it happened because some people decided it to happen. It's not gonna undo everything just because it wasn't justified so why bother?

[QUOTE=aydin690;28518336]Not really, just because Britain had colonized the region, doesnt mean they had the right to tell the indigenous people already living there to "gtfo". Also, the part about arabs having equal rights is horseshit and you know it.[/QUOTE] The British never colonized Palestine or any part of the middle east, they had a mandate over it, meaning that they were in charge of it but only for a while, they had the responsibility of teaching the native population to govern themselves until they can declare independence and then they needed to get out. That's quite different from a colony. [editline]10th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=thisispain;28518521]yeah i'm fine with not having that shit now israeli hummus, that's some shit we need to maintain but luckily we, as palastinians and israelis (note i'm neither of those bloody foreigners hurr) can reunite using the spirit of hummus[/QUOTE] Even without the war and stuff, Israelis and Palestinians will still argue over who has the better Hummus, Falafel, Shawarma, whatever. Edit: But we have Shnitzels so we win the culinary war.

[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;28518737] Even without the war and stuff, Israelis and Palestinians will still argue over who has the better Hummus, Falafel, Shawarma, whatever. Edit: But we have Shnitzels so we win the culinary war.[/QUOTE] schnitzel is austrian so both of you suck

Don't give em the cash! FOR THE SAKE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY DON'T GIVE IT TO EM!

I bet our retarded fucking House will support this

[QUOTE=Silent-Boble;28516420]nope, they are just doing noise on the media because nobody is suppressing them. If an arab would somehow steal my girlfriend, in which i doubt. I would just get to him and make a pizza out of his face.[/quote] HAHAHA, what? [quote]I just don't get it, arabs are slaughtered all around the middle east by their own leaders, and nobody cares, and if a cop beats an arab in Israel, the whole world is getting their penises erected to just fuck Israel up?[/QUOTE] How many people on FP support the Prince of Saudi Arabia? Mubarak? Gaddafi? Name me one person, and you can somewhat have a point. Can't and your point is moot. [editline]10th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Silent-Boble;28516441]as long as they follow the quaran, they will be counted bad people, because they are not wise enough to understand that it's bullshit. religion in general is fucking bullshit.[/quote] Though the idea of a higher diety who wrote a book is bullshit. The religion itself is represented by the people inside of it. How does 1.6 billion muslims mean the Quran is bad? I also notice some hypocrisy in your posts, you support the religious Zionist state of israel but not Palestine. [quote]the only way of you giving me a rational and tempered response, is by somehow getting into the whole conflict and trying to understand it[/QUOTE] it's easy to understand when you really think about it. [editline]10th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Silent-Boble;28516935]lol check all the military technology developed by israel.[/QUOTE] That no one needs. [editline]10th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Silent-Boble;28517120]Galil, TAR-21, Negev, Uzi, Jeicho, Desert Eagle, IMI 120 mm gun based on the Rheinmetall gun, Iron Fist, Dror, BUL M-5, MATADOR, and many more, such as advanced radio and cable communications, advanced radar systems, advanced anti missile systems etc. get wiki'd [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_equipment_of_Israel[/url][/quote] First of all, who the hell cares about weapon technology, it's useless.. And second of all the Desert Eagle is the single most useless gun ever created.[/i] [quote]Also, arabs are nice people after all, eh? [url]http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100801121356AAdemCo[/url][/QUOTE] First of all, that's one person. Second of all, that's one person who does what many parents do. Third of all, parents who encompass a number of religions. and last: Using your logic [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_of_the_Patriarchs_massacre[/url] Israeli's are really nice people after all, eh? My massacre beats your child beating. [editline]10th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Silent-Boble;28517307]I live in Israel for the last 10 years. And I don't support stereotypical talk in general. What I am talking about isn't stereotypes, it's the truth.[/quote] Generalising 1.6 billion muslims is truth? [quote]The only way to know what is going on in here, is by researching more. You clearly has no idea what is going on in here. All your research is from the TV.[/QUOTE] >Live in Israel >Bias 'research' I can put two and two together. [editline]10th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Silent-Boble;28517491]You see man? this is the point, we, in israel, are like foul people.[/quote] What? [quote]The whole middle east, is surrounded by arabs, so they gotta blame all their troubles on someone..[/quote] What? x2 [quote]The nation is not holding anyone in the territories by force. Just keeping them out of our land. [/quote] What? x3 [quote]If they wanted to, they could've solved the whole problem by GTFOing to any country in the middle east.[/quote] What? x4? [quote]It weren't the jews who kicked the arabs out of this area, but the brits![/quote] Wha- Oh wait, this somewhat makes sense. Yeah, the British set up the Mandate of Israel, but Jews pushed and killed for this chunk of land. So not sure what you're talking about. [quote]70% of Jordans population, are people that were wondering around the (back then) wasteland called "Palestine".[/quote] That 'wasteland' had thousands of palestinians on it. Including the Bedouin people [quote]I strongly suggest you guys to go and read real books before all research. The internet is not a good source about this on-going conflict.[/QUOTE] Which books? I can suggest a number of them that show the absolutely vicious conditions Palestinians go through. [editline]10th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=zombojoe;28517365]Neither is Al Jazeera.[/QUOTE] Al Jazeera is extremely unbiased. [editline]10th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Devodiere;28517523]You know there's some middle ground between poor treatment and ethnic cleansing, right? I wouldn't even say they were being treated like dogs. It's really shitty there but not because Israel forces it to be.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.israel-palestinenews.org/2011/01/wikileaks-israel-aimed-to-keep-gaza.html[/url] uhh [QUOTE=Silent-Boble;28517672]Israel offered many times of solving the conflict. see: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_David_2000_Summit[/url][/QUOTE] Camp David was a scam that fucked the Palestinians on pretty much everything. [editline]10th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Silent-Boble;28517747]Time for me to sleep, the sun will soon shine, and I gotta train hard. Army soon. Have a pleasant argument.[/QUOTE] Go kill some Arab children - I mean terrorists. [editline]10th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Devodiere;28517770]When it was British territory, the Jews were pushing for the creation of Israel, the Arabs not only wanted their own state, but didn't want the Jews to get one. I don't care why they didn't like the idea of Israel, they hated it before it was even a state.[/QUOTE] I think the Irgun and other assorted Terrorist organisations slaughtering Palestinian settlers is cause of alarm. That's just me, I personally don't like it when foreign entities in the process of stealing land, murder innocents.

[QUOTE=Silent-Boble;28517120]Galil, TAR-21, Negev, Uzi, Jeicho, Desert Eagle, IMI 120 mm gun based on the Rheinmetall gun, Iron Fist, Dror, BUL M-5, MATADOR, and many more, such as advanced radio and cable communications, advanced radar systems, advanced anti missile systems etc. [/QUOTE] I was referring to joint research projects between the two nations. The shit they make for themselves is purpose built for their specific needs. The anti mortar laser/missile system was shelved, last I saw. Note that I mean the stationary defense laser, not the ADS for vehicles. Both nations have their own version of that ADS. The anti mortar laser was the only military addition in recent years that I have seen coming from Israel that the US might actually benefit from.

Here's a crazy idea Gunfox and Silent-boble, why not take the research and production costs put into things like Uzi's and Anti-missile system and spend it on things like cancer research?

[QUOTE=The LocalFlavor;28520879]Here's a crazy idea Gunfox and Silent-boble, why not take the research and production costs put into things like Uzi's and Anti-missile system and spend it on things like cancer research?[/QUOTE] How about remove / fixing the incentive to spend money on arms?

[QUOTE=DogGunn;28521424]How about remove / fixing the incentive to spend money on arms?[/QUOTE] I cannot disagree with that. [editline]10th March 2011[/editline] Also, I like how Ohadje rated me dumb. Apparently killing people is more important then cancer research. Stay Classy.

[QUOTE=The LocalFlavor;28520879]Here's a crazy idea Gunfox and Silent-boble, why not take the research and production costs put into things like Uzi's and Anti-missile system and spend it on things like cancer research?[/QUOTE] Although I agree with your position... Israel has made extraordinary contributions to all realms of science and engineering.

How the fuck can other countries just ask for these insane amounts and get handed it, when a hard working citizen like me can ask for maybe $600 so I don't become homeless, and get stomped all over? United States Of Cock-sucking Faggot Motherfuckers is what it should be called. I'm not poor, I'm quite the opposite, just simply stating a "what if", ya know? This country is fucking retarded.

[QUOTE=thisispain;28518521]yeah i'm fine with not having that shit now israeli hummus, that's some shit we need to maintain but luckily we, as palastinians and israelis (note i'm neither of those bloody foreigners hurr) can reunite using the spirit of hummus[/QUOTE] Israelies are basically russians. 65% of Israels population are russians. [editline]10th March 2011[/editline] Also in Israel, it was the first research about the THC. [editline]10th March 2011[/editline] The founders of Israel first came from Russia, and then from europe, and then from around africa. [editline]10th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=The LocalFlavor;28520003] How many people on FP support the Prince of Saudi Arabia? Mubarak? Gaddafi? Name me one person, and you can somewhat have a point. Can't and your point is moot.[/QUOTE] You cannot compare tyrants to a government |: They are doing way worse things. [editline]10th March 2011[/editline] Also, see: [url]http://www.red-alerts.com/islamic-expansionism/gaza-barbarians-live-like-kings-on-your-tax-dollars/[/url] [editline]10th March 2011[/editline] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4g1-HTJYEk[/media] [editline]10th March 2011[/editline] more poverty [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aq4_Nva4G8E&feature=related[/media]

[QUOTE=archangel125;28517243]Actually, we do our research quite thoroughly, thank you. Israel is almost as bad as the Fascist Nazi were in WWII when it comes to what they've done to the Palestinians. They're doing to the Palestinians what Hitler did to them. No rights, kicked out of their homes, property stolen and destroyed, forced to live in terrible conditions in slums. Shit, if that was me, I'd support extremists to kick Israel's ass, too. I understand that Russia isn't known for its recognition of ethnic minorities, but please try and rise above that stereotype, won't you?[/QUOTE] How dare you compare Israel to Nazi Germany? You clearly don't know jack shit about the situation over here, and trust me I got my intel from the inside (yes, the army-2 of my brothers been to Gaza) We're gassing people to death? Give me a break, we don't kill people in intention to wipe them off this world, it's their fault that most of them are idiots who support the extremists (hamas dah ) which leads to endless fighting. It's amazing how all of you are honestly fooled by them, how they live in poverty, how it's all messed up out there, well it's all fucking bullcrap since Israel sends about 100 trucks (a day I think) inside Gaza with tons of supplies but not many know that since it's not on the news (which is your main resource of info, that's why you dunno shit that's goin on) P.S: Medication on the Marmara "aid" shit? All of the medications had expired dates lol (Relative of mine in the army was on the marmara.)

Fuck Israel. If you're gonna be a shit-retarded country still involved in a holy war in a modern age when we all know now that god is a lie, at least fight your own fucking battles.

[QUOTE=a203xi;28523494]Fuck Israel. If you're gonna be a shit-retarded country still involved in a holy war in a modern age when we all know now that god is a lie, at least fight your own fucking battles.[/QUOTE] That makes no sense.

The leaders of the country, are doing zero religious war. Religion is on the Arabs' side. [editline]10th March 2011[/editline] I told you shouldn't argue politics. It's that page bug again

Come on, it may not be about religion now but that's how it all started. Motives might have changed but war isn't justifiable just because someone else started it, that's retarded logic that always ends in... guess what, more war! It's like a gang war movie, someone popped a cap in your homies ass so you've got to go teach those punks a lesson, and then both sides keep killing each other to get even. So is spending $20 billion on guns and missiles and tanks this one last time is supposed to end this conflict that's been going on forever, left and right back and forth, once and for all or something? I don't buy it. Regardless, we shouldn't be intervening, we're going broke as a nation (because of our military spending mind you), AND rallying their enemies to fight against us just by supporting Israel, just because a bunch of dumb Christians and neoconservatives (again, Christians) feel we have some holy obligation to help them, for guess what, religious reasons. I mean I get the argument that we fight over everything including land and law, but saying religion isn't responsible for a crap-load of all the war and conflict going on right now is just retarded. It's responsible for most of it, and all sides trying to justify it are just wrong.

[QUOTE=BlackCockDan;28523475]How dare you compare Israel to Nazi Germany? You clearly don't know jack shit about the situation over here, and trust me I got my intel from the inside (yes, the army-2 of my brothers been to Gaza) We're gassing people to death? Give me a break, we don't kill people in intention to wipe them off this world, it's their fault that most of them are idiots who support the extremists (hamas dah ) which leads to endless fighting. It's amazing how all of you are honestly fooled by them, how they live in poverty, how it's all messed up out there, well it's all fucking bullcrap since Israel sends about 100 trucks (a day I think) inside Gaza with tons of supplies but not many know that since it's not on the news (which is your main resource of info, that's why you dunno shit that's goin on) P.S: Medication on the Marmara "aid" shit? All of the medications had expired dates lol (Relative of mine in the army was on the marmara.)[/QUOTE] uh oh here comes the israeli internet defense force or whatever the fuck they were called

[QUOTE=Silent-Boble;28517120]Galil, TAR-21, Negev, Uzi, Jeicho, Desert Eagle, IMI 120 mm gun based on the Rheinmetall gun, Iron Fist, Dror, BUL M-5, MATADOR, and many more, such as advanced radio and cable communications, advanced radar systems, advanced anti missile systems etc. [/QUOTE]Those small arms are nowhere near worth 20 billion in aid (they're, at best, not significantly better than other small arms, and useless in military uses at worst (desert eagle)), nor does Israel have a monopoly on active-kill systems, CIWS, radars or missiles. Israel benefits far far more from US aid than the US does from Israeli weapons technology.

[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;28523716]Those small arms are nowhere near worth 20 billion in aid (they're, at best, not significantly better than other small arms, and useless in military uses at worst (desert eagle)), nor does Israel have a monopoly on active-kill systems, CIWS, radars or missiles. Israel benefits far far more from US aid than the US does from Israeli weapons technology.[/QUOTE] That's only because the US has to stick their nose everywhere. and guess what, the US will give Israel 20 billion dollars, and all of you just mad.