Ukraine Expects US & European Military Help If War With Russia Starts - Polidicks

Well, it is obvious that russia doesn't respect treaties and other stuff, so I highly doubt they wouldn't nuke countries that signed no first use act.

[QUOTE=Lijitsu;44274128]That's true, but it doesn't make it any less exhausting or irritating.[/QUOTE] Invading a foreign nation with a sketchy at best justification =/= Providing aid to a nation that explicitly asked you, and which you are required to support due to treaties (Budapest Memoradum)

[QUOTE=ultra_bright;44274933]It's the CIA, they can get away with anything and nobody will ever find out. I'm sure they're pretty good a making people ''disappear''.[/QUOTE] "Putin has died suddenly in a light aircraft crash"

Finland would get a free pass from this fight right? Ain't no way we're doing this shit again.

[QUOTE=Jetblack357;44273488]I'm doing my part! [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMTz9nIUkGc[/media][/QUOTE] [video=youtube;JXGEhPO22MU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXGEhPO22MU[/video]

[QUOTE=Sgt-NiallR;44273499]Have you considered that these might be different people?[/QUOTE] Never mind the situations he's oh-so-subtly alluding to are entirely different.

[QUOTE=Mebit;44273534]If the US didn't get seriously involved in Syria, then they won't get actually seriously militarily involved in Ukraine. No oil. No assistance.[/QUOTE] I know because Afghanistan TOTALLY has substantial oil supply.

[QUOTE=Squad1993;44273415]*US gets involved* DAMN YOU WARMONGERING, OIL-HUNGRY BASTARDS *US doesn't get invovled* DAMN YOU LAZY, FAT, USELESS AMERICANS WHO ONLY CARE ABOUT THEMSELVES.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Pantz Master;44273371]Why? The rest of the world hates us when we use our military might, and now they'll hate us if why don't use it. People don't make sense.[/QUOTE] The fact that you can't seem to see the difference between this and the wars in the Middle East fucking stuns me.

[QUOTE=TheTalon;44273707]Go look at how much oil the USA gets from Iraq and Afghanistan. I'll save you the trouble: it's none[/QUOTE] You are telling me there isn't a single US oil company involved in oil business there ? Or that there are no US shareholders in companies that work there ?

[QUOTE=just-a-boy;44274534]While war is the last thing I'd want, I really think European nations should rather start emphasizing the military support of other European nations - the collective might of the NATO league sans USA. The idea was collective defense, yet everyone screams for the US' bosom when somebody comes knocking. Leave them out of this for once and realize the entire European armed forces is a goddamn force to be reckoned with. The only universal deterrent is, again, nuclear armaments, but if Russia DID choose to launch them, European warheads would be pounding away at Russian soil the same as US ones if the USA was involved. Outside of that, I'm fairly certain Europe alone can take on Russia's full might, ESPECIALLY on home turf. Stop pushing arbitrary obligations on the US for once.[/QUOTE] NATO without the US has two of the most successful WW1 and WW2 enemies joined together, Germany and GB. If you add a bunch of countries like Italy where mafias are still popular and bunch of increasingly angered citizens from the rest of Europe you'd have to have an A++ stomach to want to deal with them in a non nuclear war.

[QUOTE=Tuskin;44273176]"McCain said he was not calling for American boots on the ground, but short of that other kinds of military help are vital “because God knows what Vladimir Putin will do next.” " No boots, but other 'military help' so what? Air Strikes? lending equipment?[/QUOTE] Socks and sandals motherfucker

[QUOTE=Swebonny;44275865]The fact that you can't seem to see the difference between this and the wars in the Middle East fucking stuns me.[/QUOTE] It was a light-hearted joke, basically showing that no matter what choice we make when it comes to the military, it will always be wrong in the medias/peoples eyes. Right now, we are very tired of war, so we'd need a very, very good reason to get involved in ANY conflict. Thats why when Obummer wanted to use the military against Syria, the majority of the US was like "nah fuck that" Imo, if Russia does invade mainland Ukraine, I'm for a NATO retaliation spearheaded by Poland. siema pl kurwa stronk

I can imagine America winking and just going "Yeah, we'll back you up.. Spiritually. Amerrirckaaaa...." I doubt this will end well, i feel sorry for anyone still hanging around.

[QUOTE=just-a-boy;44274534]While war is the last thing I'd want, I really think European nations should rather start emphasizing the military support of other European nations - the collective might of the NATO league sans USA. The idea was collective defense, yet everyone screams for the US' bosom when somebody comes knocking. Leave them out of this for once and realize the entire European armed forces is a goddamn force to be reckoned with. The only universal deterrent is, again, nuclear armaments, but if Russia DID choose to launch them, European warheads would be pounding away at Russian soil the same as US ones if the USA was involved. Outside of that, I'm fairly certain Europe alone can take on Russia's full might, ESPECIALLY on home turf. Stop pushing arbitrary obligations on the US for once.[/QUOTE] The entire NATO military budget looks like a joke compared to the US, that's why.

[QUOTE=MrEndangered;44277262]The entire NATO military budget looks like a joke compared to the US, that's why.[/QUOTE] So? Russia's military budget also looks like a joke compared to the U.S. That has nothing to do with Europe's ability to combat and stop Russian aggression.

[QUOTE=ultra_bright;44274933]It's the CIA, they can get away with anything and nobody will ever find out. [/QUOTE] Well, eventually people will find out. Like 9/11. You know, the one back in 1973. Where the CIA was responsible for the assassination of the democratically elected president of Chile, Salvador Allende.

[QUOTE=Explosions;44277390]So? Russia's military budget also looks like a joke compared to the U.S. That has nothing to do with Europe's ability to combat and stop Russian aggression.[/QUOTE] No so about it. That's the reason they ALWAYS ask for help, and will be skittish otherwise.

[QUOTE=MrEndangered;44277592]No so about it. That's the reason they ALWAYS ask for help, and will be skittish otherwise.[/QUOTE] I didn't understand this post at all.

And my government just sold all of our tanks and just did another slash at the defence budget. I hope it doesn't come to a war though. Terrible thing that is.

[QUOTE=Valiantttt;44277976]And my government just sold all of our tanks and just did another slash at the defence budget. I hope it doesn't come to a war though. Terrible thing that is.[/QUOTE]Unless the Netherlands has a heretofore unknown secret stash of Russian citizens that Putin can "protect", I don't think you guys will ever have anything to worry about from Russia apart from paying for gas.

Just make a sex tape with Putin in. It went well last time guys...

[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;44278131]Unless the Netherlands has a heretofore unknown secret stash of Russian citizens that Putin can "protect", I don't think you guys will ever have anything to worry about from Russia apart from paying for gas.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2013/10/netherlands-apologise-for-russia-envoy-arrest-2013109141624653249.html[/url] Russia has already protected Russians in the Netherlands. It's totally different circumstances though and it says more about diplomatic immunity than Russia.

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;44275033]"Putin has died suddenly in a light aircraft crash"[/QUOTE] Yeah, but I'm sure he's said to his top guys "If I die mysteriously, it was the US" Hell, he may even have a dead mans switch that does something awful regardless of how he dies. He seems like the kind of narcissist that just doesn't care what happens after he's dead.

[QUOTE=Lijitsu;44274816]'At this point'? When the hell wouldn't it have caused a massive backlash? Keep in mind you're talking about [I]assassinating the leader of a world superpower[/I].[/QUOTE] also it would solve nothing, slaying Hitler would just result into Himmler or Heydrich replacing him ... in fact it could get way more brutal ... just look what happened after atentate on R. Heydrich , mass executions of CSR elite and students and erasing two villages as "warning" (killing all men, woman and most of kids) (btw. it was well planned action as payback for execution of several lead generals of CSR army after occupation, as RH signed the death sentences) if you want hit enemy, you need cut all the important heads, not just one and keep cutting

[QUOTE=Dwarden;44279850]also it would solve nothing, slaying Hitler would just result into Himmler or Heydrich replacing him ... in fact it could get way more brutal ... just look what happened after atentate on R. Heydrich , mass executions of CSR elite and students and erasing two villages as "warning" (killing all men, woman and most of kids) (btw. it was well planned action as payback for execution of several lead generals of CSR army after occupation, as RH signed the death sentences) if you want hit enemy, you need cut all the important heads, not just one and keep cutting[/QUOTE] Not true. If you used Madison's solution and....well, reverse-engineer it so as to say, you will find out that killing Putin will create splinter factions among the powers that be which will result in them clashing which each other. Putin is a link that connects those factions. Look it up, there are 3 main factions who are pushing for power in Russia. The reason they don't bring out the guns is: Putin.

again, it's partly true, there might be some power strugle, but usally the more radical faction controlling the important part of military or police/secret forces win and then it will become way way more brutal ... trust me, it's known that both Himmler and Heydrich actually wanted full eradication of any non-german populace on whole occupied territory while Hitler was just acknowledging on judes problem (and trying pretend he has nothing to do even with that) if you want change, you need hit the whole leadership in single sweep and make it look like 'incident' (CONSPIRACY THEORY WARNING: sorta like that Polish plane crash, whole military leadership (very for-NATO) and most of state heads dead in single go)

[QUOTE]trust me, it's known that both Himmler and Heydrich actually wanted full eradication of any non-german populace on whole occupied territory while Hitler was just acknowledging on judes problem (and trying pretend he has nothing to do even with that) [/QUOTE] In the meantime you got a shitload of the General Staff trying to blow Hitler to pieces in order to sign a surrender with the allies (Americans), the capo di tutti capi of the Abwehr, Canaris, being one of them. While those people may got the guns, the rest has the connections and the power to run the economy. Parallel with invading countries today, you can't expect to run a company without knowing the people and pointing a gun to their heads.

[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;44280018]In the meantime you got a shitload of the General Staff trying to blow Hitler to pieces in order to sign a surrender with the allies (Americans), the capo di tutti capi of the Abwehr, Canaris, being one of them. While those people may got the guns, the rest has the connections and the power to run the economy. Parallel with invading countries today, you can't expect to run a company without knowing the people and pointing a gun to their heads.[/QUOTE] that was too late, that strugle between Wermacht and SS goes way longer ... in fact it were generals who disobeyed the Hitlers direct order who actually won the France campaign and it was actually Hitler's direct threat that every general who NOT stop attack will be executed what saved the Allies evacuating on Dunkerque and technically prevented UK from losing the war ... and after the France campaign nobody really wanted to confront Hitler in such way anymore, he was popular and claimed the victory for himself

SNIP FFS