Aussies look to ban lever action rifles and shotguns - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Damoman;48073694]You want to shoot Fox with Gun?[/QUOTE] Hitler said we shouldn't. Are you gonna obey Hitler?

if australia bans shotguns then everyone is gonna get eaten by fucking cassowaries or something, what are they thinking?

I dunno I would love to head to Australia with my SKS and help out with the dogs, foxes, rabbits, etc. It's the same concept as Boar here in the US, just basically an invasive trash animal that needs to be shot at by as many people as possible. Seems like having to go at them with an old SMLE would be a huge pain in the ass. I can understand if not necessarily agree with the feelings of not wanting people CCing or OCing in Melbourne and the like, though.

You would think that an entire island full of inmates would love to keep their guns?

[QUOTE=jimbobjoe1234;48073832]You would think that an entire island full of inmates would love to keep their guns?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=BLOODGA$M;48073787]if australia bans shotguns then everyone is gonna get eaten by fucking cassowaries or something, what are they thinking?[/QUOTE] I'd also like to congratulate you guys on the great memes I've never seen either of these posted in every AUS thread or anything : - )

The gun buyback of 1996 didn't stop gun crime, but it reduced deaths by firearm by 50%. That's pretty god damn substantial.

As someone who lives in a country with a ban on firearms so strict our Olympic pistol team has to train in France, I find it thoroughly entertaining to see all the Americans flood these threads. This isn't a full ban on rifles. Just certain rifles that use certain mechanisms. The idea is some are considered too offensive rather than the defensive methods they're meant to be used in.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;48073338]lmao good fucking luck revolting with your firearms against the most funded and one of the largest militaries in the world.[/QUOTE] The Vietcong, the Taliban, and several other insurgent forces say hello. [QUOTE]"oh but the soldiers wont shoot back!!!", bullshit, they might not all fight back, but all it takes is for the revolt to be classified as a terrorist threat and I'm sure more than a few would help.[/QUOTE] In all honesty, I doubt most of the US armed forces would be so happy to fight against their own countrymen. If shit's bad enough for the population to revolt, expect soldiers to defect. [QUOTE]I'm sure your civilian AR-15 can take a tank.[/QUOTE] Of course not, but IEDs and EFPs can, and they're piss easy to make. [editline]29th June 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Memobot;48074034]This isn't a full ban on rifles. Just certain rifles that use certain mechanisms. The idea is some are considered too offensive rather than the defensive methods they're meant to be used in.[/QUOTE] And it's fucking retarded. They're trying to ban something that has existed since the late 1800's purely out of Mrs. Lovejoy logic.

They should let responsible, mature, law abiding Australians buy any gun they please.

[QUOTE=cqbcat;48074196]They should let responsible, mature, law abiding Australians buy any gun they please.[/QUOTE] But they wouldn't be law abiding anymore if they ban what they bought today, tomorrow.

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;48073002]Sorry that we want to stay alive? Sorry that I didnt get shot and killed by some loony in high school like most kids in America?[/QUOTE] cringe

Why do you people keep perpetuating that they're "banning" literally anything? Nothing is being banned, and if you bothered to read past the title you would know that. They're changing lever action firearms to a Category C restriction so you have to have a permit to have one, which literally one check of wikipedia says farmers, occupational shooters, collectors, and target shooters can get.

[QUOTE=Pretty Obscure;48074295]Why do you people keep perpetuating that they're "banning" literally anything? Nothing is being banned, and if you bothered to read past the title you would know that. They're changing lever action firearms to a Category C restriction so you have to have a permit to have one, which literally one check of wikipedia says farmers, collectors, and target shooters can get.[/QUOTE] And anyone without those permits now has to turn them in or face legal consequences due to ex post facto legal system that doesn't exist in the united states. You can buy a fully automatic weapon in the united states, but no new ones have been manufactured for civilian ownership since 1986 due to that is when they became illegal, those that are civilian legal, will remain as such. In Australia, an object can be made restricted or illegal and it affects things before when it was restricted or made illegal.

What the hell do they mean with "new and emerging firearms technologies"? Is the Aussie Army armed with sticks and stones, then? [QUOTE=ColdAsRice;48071933][IMG] http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/attachments/other-long-arms/49493d1362064712-i-wonder-what-74759_134230440082122_352921193_n.jpg[/img] UH OH, ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY FIRING 9 BARRELS IN LESS THAN A SECOND[/QUOTE] Fun fact! The British had this gun, the [url=http://southessex.co.uk/weapons/nock.htm]7-barreled volley gun, made by Mr. Nock of London[/url], during the Napoleonic Era. The recoil was too intense - used to help clear away sailors from enemy ships before boarding. Only a few were made and used, though, since the kick dislocated most people’s shoulders. [img]http://i.imgur.com/55HxAPZ.jpg[/img] [img]http://i.imgur.com/wBbsTDf.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;48074399]What the hell do they mean with "new and emerging firearms technologies"? Is the Aussie Army armed with sticks and stones, then? Fun fact! The British had this gun, the [url=http://southessex.co.uk/weapons/nock.htm]7-barreled volley gun, made by Mr. Nock of London[/url], during the Napoleonic Era. The recoil was too intense - used to help clear away sailors from enemy ships before boarding. Only a few were made and used, though, since the kick dislocated most people’s shoulders. [img]http://i.imgur.com/55HxAPZ.jpg[/img] [img]http://i.imgur.com/wBbsTDf.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] I think Sgt. Harper from the Sharpe's Rifles novels is mentioned as using one as his weapon of choice.

[QUOTE=deadoon;48074341]And anyone without those permits now has to turn them in or face legal consequences due to ex post facto legal system that doesn't exist in the united states. You can buy a fully automatic weapon in the united states, but no new ones have been manufactured for civilian ownership since 1986 due to that is when they became illegal, those that are civilian legal, will remain as such. In Australia, an object can be made restricted or illegal and it affects things before when it was restricted or made illegal.[/QUOTE] Australia's mandatory buyback and mandatory registry do not constitute ex post facto laws by even American definition. You'll notice that despite the states being prohibited from passing ex post facto laws by the Constitution, New York had no trouble passing a mandatory registration law for assault weapons. The point of the term ex post facto is that it describes the practice of changing the legality of an action in [i]retrospect[/i] and punishing an act that has already occurred. A new law stating that guns must be registered and providing a grace period doesn't meet that definition, because it's not punishing people for having owned weapons before the law was passed, it's punishing them for owning them after the grace period expires. And fully automatic weapons are fully legal, they have never been made illegal. There is, however, a legal requirement that they be registered, and the registry was closed in 1986. The existing supply of machine guns remains fully legal, you just can't manufacture a new gun and add it to the registry. However you feel about Australia's gun laws, the legal basis you're citing is irrelevant and inapplicable.

[QUOTE=catbarf;48074586]Australia's mandatory buyback and mandatory registry do not constitute ex post facto laws by even American definition. You'll notice that despite the states being prohibited from passing ex post facto laws by the Constitution, New York had no trouble passing a mandatory registration law for assault weapons. The point of the term ex post facto is that it describes the practice of changing the legality of an action in [I]retrospect[/I] and punishing an act that has already occurred. A new law stating that guns must be registered and providing a grace period doesn't meet that definition, because it's not punishing people for having owned weapons before the law was passed, it's punishing them for owning them after the grace period expires. And fully automatic weapons are fully legal, they have never been made illegal. There is, however, a legal requirement that they be registered, and the registry was closed in 1986. The existing supply of machine guns remains fully legal, you just can't manufacture a new gun and add it to the registry. However you feel about Australia's gun laws, the legal basis you're citing is irrelevant and inapplicable.[/QUOTE] That required the registration of those weapons, not them being instantly being banned articles with a grace period for removal and those with them told that if they didn't turn them in they would be charged. In the law any weapon that was purchased before it's passing is grandfathered in and hence was able to be registered, though no new sales are allowed. Australian law is not like that. If you owned a gun legally before the ban, there was no chance to register it. It made it illegal to own if you did not have or were not eligible for this new requirement. What you bought before hand, you were simply no longer even allowed to own despite it being a legal purchase and you being approved to purchase it. Here What you bought previously is still legal with no changes despite confirmation that it existed before it was banned, there it can be banned and there all the previously legal objects are illegal no matter if they were legal beforehand.

Thread title should have been changed as these firearms aren't getting banned, but restricted to a class C where they should be. This won't affect farmers or hunters at all. This has only come about because a bunch of dumbasses thought they'd be able to skip around this on their A class licence.

[QUOTE=Pretty Obscure;48074295]Why do you people keep perpetuating that they're "banning" literally anything? Nothing is being banned, and if you bothered to read past the title you would know that. They're changing lever action firearms to a Category C restriction so you have to have a permit to have one, which literally one check of wikipedia says farmers, collectors, and target shooters can get.[/QUOTE] Retract what I said, it appears they changed some of the restrictions on Cat C.

[QUOTE=confinedUser;48072932]holy shit australians are such pussies when it comes to firearms.[/QUOTE] We haven't had a massacre like the Port Arthur shooting since we banned a shitload of guns, so it appears to have worked. Only thing that shits me with gun laws is that Airsoft & BB guns are banned, which I find utterly ridiculous.

[QUOTE=fruxodaily;48073085]Do I have to remind you that this thread is about an Australian issue that doesn't concern Americans?[/QUOTE] Which is why Americans are here because you city dwellers who have NO IDEA how life OUTSIDE the city even works are SO content on making laws based on media bias and bullshit!

[QUOTE=Pilot1215;48075032]Which is why Americans are here because you city dwellers who have NO IDEA how life OUTSIDE the city even works are SO content on making laws based on media bias and bullshit![/QUOTE] Being the internet I can't be sure, but is this post satire?

[QUOTE=MuTAnT;48075050]Being the internet I can't be sure, but is this post satire?[/QUOTE] No, I am serious. You have no idea how life outside the city is. you feel comfy banning shit you are so afraid of, even though it helps those of us who need it.

[QUOTE=Pretty Obscure;48074295]Why do you people keep perpetuating that they're "banning" literally anything? Nothing is being banned, and if you bothered to read past the title you would know that. They're changing lever action firearms to a Category C restriction so you have to have a permit to have one, which literally one check of wikipedia says farmers, occupational shooters, collectors, and target shooters can get.[/QUOTE] You keep saying this, but effectively class C is illegal in Australia due to the requirements one must fulfil to get it. Also Levers have been class A since Port Arthur, when they only banned pumps since the murderer had one in his trunk, that he didn't use, and last I checked there haven't been a mass of massacres with lever-action shotguns or rifles (and by the way, pump-action rifles are not class C, only shotguns). They're doing this because someone's trying to fear-monger over some nonsense with no basis in fact or logic. These kinds of bans affect hunting and target shooting too. Semi-auto shotguns are still legal in England because they're the best gun to use when hunting birds, especially migratory ones. By banning anything that's easy to cycle, Australia makes it harder for people to effectively hunt flocks of birds. If bird populations, or frankly the population of any animal, aren't kept under control by hunting, it can have a negative effect on the ecosystem. Gun control overall leads to less people bothering to go through the paperwork which leads to less hunters, and less hunters leads to a rise in wildlife populations, which can destroy crops and negatively affect the agricultural industries of a country. This is happening in Japan right now as well, since getting a gun is so hard and hunting is unappealing to an increasingly young, urban population, especially since you can't get a hunting license there until you're 20 and you can't hunt with a bow. The Japanese are actually trying to get young girls involved in hunting in order to try and fix this issue. At one point Australia is going to realize they've done the same thing. As for competitive shooting, ISPC rifle, Service Rifle, and 3-gun are all virtually impossible in Australia due to all the guns needed to shoot them being illegal. IPSC major pistol is incredibly difficult since the only calibre that's legal for it is .357 Sig, which IPSC had to do specifically for Australia. The prohibition of certain shotguns can also affect clay shooting, and the banning of pumps hurts cowboy action shooting, and banning levers would completely kill it in both shotgun and rifle categories. People don't seem to care when it's not about Olympic shooting sports, but those are actually some of the least popular ones, and also rather stuffy and boring.

[QUOTE=Pilot1215;48075114]No, I am serious. You have no idea how life outside the city is. you feel comfy banning shit you are so afraid of, even though it helps those of us who need it.[/QUOTE] What do you need it for? Hunting feral animals? Then you're fine, though I don't know why you would use a lever action rifle for it. Assuming everyone(anyone) lives in the cities just reinforces your lack of knowledge of Australia.

[QUOTE=MuTAnT;48075248]What do you need it for? Hunting feral animals? Then you're fine, though I don't know why you would use a lever action rifle for it. Assuming everyone(anyone) lives in the cities just reinforces your lack of knowledge of Australia.[/QUOTE] I don't assume everyone lives in the cities, I just assume that people in the cities are idiots. Something that often gets proven to me. Also, what is wrong with 160 year old technology, that's been in hands of civvies LONGER than it has with the military. I mean what the fuck. In America we have that shit as a joke. After the evil semi autos they'll come for the pumps and levers, and my god were we fucking right. Let me guess, bolts are also evil. Maybe everyone should have inline muzzleloaders. Oh wait, primers make it too easy, lets make flintlocks the only legal firearms. Its a stupid fucking slippery slope. Lever actions are completely fucking fine, they are great for hunting, and make it easier on us. Hunting wild animals and for protection is easier with a lever gun.

[QUOTE=DaCommie1;48075134]You keep saying this, but effectively class C is illegal in Australia due to the requirements one must fulfil to get it.[/QUOTE] I'll be the first to admit that I don't 100% know anything for sure since I'm not Australian, but everything I've read on the internet literally says that the qualifications to get a Class C License is "be a farmer (or whatever else) and prove you need it." Outside of the usual applications and background checks and training and all that, you just have to give them the reason you need it and why an A or B gun won't suit the job.

[QUOTE=Pilot1215;48075319]I don't assume everyone lives in the cities, I just assume that people in the cities are idiots. Something that often gets proven to me. Also, what is wrong with 160 year old technology, that's been in hands of civvies LONGER than it has with the military. I mean what the fuck. In America we have that shit as a joke. After the evil semi autos they'll come for the pumps and levers, and my god were we fucking right. Let me guess, bolts are also evil. Maybe everyone should have inline muzzleloaders. Oh wait, primers make it too easy, lets make flintlocks the only legal firearms. Its a stupid fucking slippery slope. Lever actions are completely fucking fine, they are great for hunting, and make it easier on us. Hunting wild animals and for protection is easier with a lever gun.[/QUOTE] They're not banned for hunting though? This is what I'm saying dude, they're not banned. You don't need it for protection either; maybe in the US sure I don't know. In Australia though you're actually pretty fucking safe.