• Target Officially Rejects Assault Weapons in Its Stores
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[QUOTE=Sokrates;45274770]Wait, wait, wait... WAIT. So, normally, people in america can walk into a store with [B]a fucking assault rifle[/B]? wtf america get your shit together[/QUOTE] Actually, most places you cannot... Only in Texas and like a few other states. It was never meant tp really allow people to walk around with AR's either, more or less protected hunters. Assholes with rifles just ruined it though for concealed carriers, etc.
this reminds me of that video of that dickhead punk that was walking around with a souped up AR15 on the side of the street with people walking by. the police showed up and of course pulled their guns on him and told him to get down, with the dickhead saying that they are infringing on his rights and refused to cooperate. best part was that his girlfriend was recording it and was on his side while she was fucking pregnant.
[QUOTE=mokkan;45278232]This is considered "sane" for an American by other Americans but in any other Western country you'd sounds like a redneck. America has a shit reputation because of your gun laws, the fact you can open carry (or even concealed (?)) is really really weird. Its half the reason that 90% of people I meet will never visit America, the other half being the health system.[/QUOTE] Lol speak for yourself. I'm a duel citizen (GB/US), I'm from Scotland and whenever i go back home and people ask me where i currently live (I move a lot) i tell them and they ask me if it is nice. I've never once in all my years heard a comment from someone about Americas gun laws. Most people understand that there is a huge difference in culture and demographics in the US. Most people don't give a shit and most people don't talk shit. A lot of people in my family and extended family go to America on a regular basis along with many friends. People come here and don't expect to be shot and they're not dumb enough to think the US is a war zone. As for C&C there is an extensive background check, you have to have be locally fingerprinted and Department of public safety processes that info. It usually takes a few months up to a year to get your permit. Oh yeah, you also have to take a class and pass shooting range test. Crack on the health care system all you want, everyone here knows it is a joke. Its pretty sad that I can fly 15+ hours back home for almost 1-2k, get treated and not be broke from stupid medical bills. Then again, most people don't avoid because of a poor health care system, if they're hear on vacation they're pretty much covered anyway. Which is why there is travel medical insurance/travel insurance. I'm sorry that you think the US is a warzone, when it has been proven by statistics that gun crime is on the decline. Also don't forget to get off that high horse, because the UK has some pretty serious issues of its own, Glasgow and England are the highest ranked areas for violent crime in the UK. But you don't see americans talking shit on the UK for having 1-3% homicide rate with knives/stabbings, oh yeah lets not forget the rare shootings that occur.
You know, I fully support carrying firearms, especially concealed (I do so myself, everyday of the week). I even support open carrying handguns, if done in the correct manner. However, these douche bags carrying semi-auto rifles around, protesting no less, are really starting to piss me off. I still can't believe they haven't realized at this point that it's not helping anything.
[QUOTE=RAG Frag;45280937]What do people think they're proving when they open carry, it doesn't really serve any purpose than to draw attention to you in the street.[/QUOTE] The main purpose I can think of is deterrence. Whether that deterrence is necessary is another question...
[QUOTE=Pilot1215;45282685]Actually, most places you cannot... Only in Texas and like a few other states. It was never meant tp really allow people to walk around with AR's either, more or less protected hunters. Assholes with rifles just ruined it though for concealed carriers, etc.[/QUOTE] This is just plain untrue. Almost every state has an allowance for open carry for outdoor sportsmen. Florida, for example, while 100% disallowing open carry in public, has 4 exceptions. You may open carry in the following scenarios in Florida: 1) While hunting, or going to/coming from said activity 2) While hiking/backpacking, or going to/coming from said activity 3) While fishing, or going to/coming from said activity (cause gators) 4) While camping, or going to/coming from said activity (Only applies to state/national forests where you're 'primitive camping' (i.e. no facilities) [editline]3rd July 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Apache249;45284284]The main purpose I can think of is deterrence. Whether that deterrence is necessary is another question...[/QUOTE] I can see this point, but at the same time openly carrying a gun is only a deterrence for petty crime. A thug who sees a gun on your hip will obviously choose another target, but in a scenario when a mass shooter comes along guess who's getting shot first without any notice? That's right, the dumbass who's carrying his gun openly.
It feels like this entire American gun-rights argument have been going in circles for years now. Man our cultures are so different on this point. Over here if someone walked with a gun on his hip etc. he/she would be considered completely mad, whereas it is a common thing in the US. Probably been asked 1000 times, but why exactly would you need to carry a rifle in an urban area? What practical use does it have?
[QUOTE=booster;45284602]Probably been asked 1000 times, but why exactly would you need to carry a rifle in an urban area? What practical use does it have?[/QUOTE] This is coming from a person who supports carry: It has no practical use, whatsoever. The only reason they do it is because it's typically the only manner of open carry allowed in their area. Texas for example, where a lot of these stories originate, does not allow open carry of handguns, but does allow open carry of rifles.
[QUOTE=Mr. Foster;45284683]This is coming from a person who supports carry: It has no practical use, whatsoever. The only reason they do it is because it's typically the only manner of open carry allowed in their area. Texas for example, where a lot of these stories originate, does not allow open carry of handguns, but does allow open carry of rifles.[/QUOTE] but whats the point
[QUOTE=Gentry;45284690]but whats the point[/QUOTE] What if you get ambushed by insurgents while browsing the frozen food section? What if you see russian parachutes over the vegetable aisle? You need to be ready to defend your country at all times, a minimum of 3 guns must be strapped to you for maximum combat readiness.
you're probably more likely to save a life if you carry and train to use a defibrillator tbh but that just isn't sexy enough [editline]3rd July 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=catbarf;45278891]even including gang violence you are 38% more likely to die in a car crash in the UK than be shot in America but okay[/QUOTE] I don't know anyone who has never been in a car but okay
[QUOTE=booster;45284602]It feels like this entire American gun-rights argument have been going in circles for years now. Man our cultures are so different on this point. Over here if someone walked with a gun on his hip etc. he/she would be considered completely mad, whereas it is a common thing in the US. Probably been asked 1000 times, but why exactly would you need to carry a rifle in an urban area? What practical use does it have?[/QUOTE] I live in Florida, and not once have I [U]ever[/U] seen anyone carrying a weapon in public who was not in transit from hunting (even then, this is out in a blinking-light intersection miles from anything). I also lived in Texas, Louisiana, and Mississippi, and I can also say the same thing for those states as well. Now I live in Tallahassee where I frequently go into Georgia weekly, and I have yet to see that in any of the rural areas I have been to. People talking about how "it's so common" and "see it everywhere" are blind in their own ignorance. It is really sad to see what kind of uphill battle people are fighting with this who gun issue. Side note: It's called [B]concealed[/B] carry. That means you don't know who is carrying and if they are carrying. You could be around 100 carriers or 0 carriers at any given time, and you won't know. Therefore, you won't be aware and you're creating fuss about something you don't even know will/can happen.
[QUOTE=Gentry;45284690]but whats the point[/QUOTE] Well, what's the point of having to conceal the gun? If you're allowed to carry a rifle on your shoulder, does it make a big difference if it's in a bag? In practice I assume it's simply convenient for people who go hunting for example, or anyone who needs to take a gun from one place to another for whatever reason.
[QUOTE=Mr. Foster;45284683]This is coming from a person who supports carry: It has no practical use, whatsoever. The only reason they do it is because it's typically the only manner of open carry allowed in their area. Texas for example, where a lot of these stories originate, does not allow open carry of handguns, but does allow open carry of rifles.[/QUOTE] And in this case in particular it's less to do with convenience and more to do with trying to be a special little snowflake and asserting your right to be "the shepherd among the sheep" because apparently anyone who doesn't put on a show of force is some weakling who's too stupid to protect themselves I wish I was exaggerating
[QUOTE=Kljunas;45284903]Well, what's the point of having to conceal the gun? If you're allowed to carry a rifle on your shoulder, does it make a big difference if it's in a bag? In practice I assume it's simply convenient for people who go hunting for example, or anyone who needs to take a gun from one place to another for whatever reason.[/QUOTE] If you conceal it, no one knows you have it. That could be a potential surprise threat. Open-carry is essentially safer since you can see who and what the potential threat can be. But as we have said before, it's not a law intended for you to go strolling down Main Street with .308 slung over your shoulder, it's intended to make it easier on rural communities and hunters. These people that you see in the news are just the loud minority that are protesting something they aren't going to change, only hurt. Their intentions are good, but their practice is bad. After talking with some of our sheriffs here, they have actually all said that they would prefer it if your gun is actually visible rather than concealed/stowed in a bag or under a seat. It's just the fact that the transparency creates a sense of safety. [editline]3rd July 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Leo Leonardo;45284959]I wish I was exaggerating[/QUOTE] You are. See what I said about this group above.
[QUOTE=Revenge282;45284969]You are. See what I said about this group above.[/QUOTE] I said these guys in particular, not everyone who carries. I carry concealed and I agree with your sentiment, but these groups of shit-stirrers DO exist. They might not be as prevalent as the media would have you believe, but that doesn't change the fact that somewhere out there are people who carry around rifles for display.
[QUOTE=Sokrates;45274770]Wait, wait, wait... WAIT. So, normally, people in america can walk into a store with [B]a fucking assault rifle[/B]? wtf america get your shit together[/QUOTE] What's with all the dumbs? He's completely right. This sounds like something out of a warzone or 3rd world country in constant fight over power (or water), not one of the more advanced western nations.
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[QUOTE=Robber;45285053]What's with all the dumbs? He's completely right. This sounds like something out of a warzone or 3rd world country in constant fight over power (or water), not one of the more advanced western nations.[/QUOTE] I think the main reason it gets dumbed because he wrote fucking assault rifle in bold when they actually aren't fucking assault rifles.
[QUOTE=Telepethi;45284325]This is just plain untrue. Almost every state has an allowance for open carry for outdoor sportsmen. Florida, for example, while 100% disallowing open carry in public, has 4 exceptions. You may open carry in the following scenarios in Florida: 1) While hunting, or going to/coming from said activity 2) While hiking/backpacking, or going to/coming from said activity 3) While fishing, or going to/coming from said activity (cause gators) 4) While camping, or going to/coming from said activity (Only applies to state/national forests where you're 'primitive camping' (i.e. no facilities) [editline]3rd July 2014[/editline] I can see this point, but at the same time openly carrying a gun is only a deterrence for petty crime. A thug who sees a gun on your hip will obviously choose another target, but in a scenario when a mass shooter comes along guess who's getting shot first without any notice? That's right, the dumbass who's carrying his gun openly.[/QUOTE] I should've been more specific. You are completely right, and I was wrong as well. As a Floridian, I should've known that since I have done a few of those ( Even had a cop joke around about my shotgun), I should've said about Open carry into places like stores, etc. I'll do some more research on it. [editline]3rd July 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Robber;45285053]What's with all the dumbs? He's completely right. This sounds like something out of a warzone or 3rd world country in constant fight over power (or water), not one of the more advanced western nations.[/QUOTE] Well, normally most people do not... if you want to compare another country, I've seen the same in places like Switzerland...
[QUOTE=Gentry;45284690]but whats the point[/QUOTE] The claim is they want to get people used to seeing ordinary citizens armed and walking around, not causing any problems, to reduce the social stigma. In reality, they just frighten people on the fence and piss off people who look at the bigger picture in gun rights.
[QUOTE=Gentry;45284749]I don't know anyone who has never been in a car but okay[/QUOTE] And I don't know anyone who has ever been shot at. There are obvious risk factors, like gang violence in the US and car ownership in the UK, that heavily skew statistics. Don't own a car in the UK and you don't have to worry much about car accidents. Don't join a gang in the US and you don't have to worry much about gun crime. If you go on raw statistics alone you'll be terrified of abnormal and easily avoided incidents.
[QUOTE=catbarf;45286277]And I don't know anyone who has ever been shot at. There are obvious risk factors, like gang violence in the US and car ownership in the UK, that heavily skew statistics. Don't own a car in the UK and you don't have to worry much about car accidents. Don't join a gang in the US and you don't have to worry much about gun crime. If you go on raw statistics alone you'll be terrified of abnormal and easily avoided incidents.[/QUOTE] You don't have to worry much about pedophiles either even if there were no laws against it. The way you use statistics is incredibly flimsy.
Fine, I'll go to Wal-Mart. [editline]4th July 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=catbarf;45286277]Don't join a gang in the US and you don't have to worry much about gun crime.[/QUOTE] That's bullshit. Be a gas-station employee at the local Lucky Stop where I live and you get robbed every other month.
[QUOTE=Pilot1215;45285839]Well, normally most people do not... if you want to compare another country, I've seen the same in places like Switzerland...[/QUOTE] Yeah it's not uncommon to see conscripts wearing their uniform and carrying their rifle on public transport, and that doesn't make me feel like I'm in a war zone.
They can say don't bring guns into their store, but unless they have signs, of a specific size, saying it, you can walk right in with yours legally. You may cause a scene and get thrown out by the store (Not the Police), but you'd have a legal case to fight them in court about it, if you chose to give yourself a financial and time wasting headache. Target sells alcohol, but not for consumption on the premises so you can still legally carry. I prefer open carry to conceal carry for one reason: If you have open carry laws, but carry concealed, it doesn't matter if you bend down to get something on the bottom shelf in a store and your gun sticks out of your shirt tail, it's all good in the hood. But in Florida, where there's only concealed carry? If that happened and some flake bitch decided to call the police because she saw it, while most officers are sensible and use common sense in their discretion and see the circumstance your firearm was visible, there's a chance you'll get some cunt that'll arrest you, because it's Brandishing a Firearm/Improper Exhibition of a Firearm, and it could very well be left up to a Jury to decide if you just committed Aggravated Assault. Especially in some of these smaller cities in Florida where the police didn't even have to go through an academy. Especially in Destin, where EVERY FUCKING BODY is on some sort of weird ass power trip. Be it police, parking attendants, security guards, janitors, whatever, with the worst offenders being anyone associated with that fucking Emerald Grande hotel, biggest bunch of cunts in the entire State. And what they're doing isn't even legal
Nobody should carry a gun unless they're at a shooting range or hunting fucking weirdos
And the pissing contest between the US's laws vs Others drags on.
[QUOTE=Robber;45285053]What's with all the dumbs? He's completely right. This sounds like something out of a warzone or 3rd world country in constant fight over power (or water), not one of the more advanced western nations.[/QUOTE] 1. They're not assault rifles 2. People open-carrying rifles is quite rare, especially for personal defence: in the time it would take to shoulder, aim, and fire a slung rifle you'd be dead 3 times over
[QUOTE=Eric95;45291791]Nobody should carry a gun unless they're at a shooting range or hunting fucking weirdos[/QUOTE] Have fun telling the police that. Actually have fun telling the police that concealed carriers shouldn't carry either, speaking the ones out here promote it since they know they can't be everywhere at once.
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