Nearly half of Jewish Israelis support discrimination against non-Jews
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[QUOTE=Sobotnik;42439266]
Except the holocaust isn't being used to defend Israel. Where did you get this idea from, because it generally tends to be fringe loony pundits who say that.[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure in one of Netanyahu's recent video addresses he brought up the holocaust. And called everyone who doesn't support Israel anti Semites :v: and he's the president(prime minister?). I can try and find the vid if you want.
I never understand where they get these numbers from. I have never been quizzed or asked any political questions in my life for a survey.
[QUOTE=triplej05;42440040]I never understand where they get these numbers from. I have never been quizzed or asked any political questions in my life for a survey.[/QUOTE]
uhhh... well that's how surveys work...
[QUOTE=Simplemac3;42439629]okay i tend to lean pretty anti-Israel when it comes to controversy like this but that's pretty fuckin' anti-Semitic man[/QUOTE]
Not really, just poorly worded.
[QUOTE=triplej05;42440040]I never understand where they get these numbers from. I have never been quizzed or asked any political questions in my life for a survey.[/QUOTE]
That is odd, I get like 3 calls a week, and I don't take part in the surveys.
[QUOTE=popbob;42437140]I don't see how other people doing the same things makes the same abhorrent, racist beliefs justifiable.
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[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_antisemitism[/url][/QUOTE]
It's hard to believe that books like Protocols of the elders of Zion is still considered a true, legitimate proof of a world domination conspiracy by the Jews despite having been established as a fake several decades ago.
[QUOTE=katbug;42439064]Ooh my god, I'm not questioning the validity of the fucking holocaust.
I'm asking WHY they have been descriminated against so much- even if 6 quintillion died, this question would be valid. Way more than 6 million died under the reign of Lenin, and far more under Mao- we try to rationalize and understand that, so why not this?
I'm not going to be uber politically correct because I might hurt your feelings.[/QUOTE]
A lot of civilizations in ancient history, with particular emphasis on the Greeks and the Romans, hated them because of their refusal to assimilate and accept dominant cultural practices. That's really what got hatred for them started in Europe's case. The Romans especially hated them because they tried to convert their people to Judaism. After Christianity became popular, people started hating them because they believed they were responsible for the death of Jesus. Then during the Middle Ages, people not only hated them because they wouldn't assimilate and because they believed that they killed Jesus, they also started to believe that they had ties to black magic and the devil and were responsible for plagues, etc.
Most of the hatred towards them these last two or three centuries has been over cultural issues, like with them not assimilating. Racialism and nationalism in the 19th century criticized them for this, with added notions that they weren't patriotic, that they cared about nothing else except their religion and their race and had cared about nothing else since their earliest beginnings thousands of years before, that they were greedy, and just generally inferior to Europeans; etc.
In Germany's specific case, one of the reasons why they hated them so much around the time Hitler became popular in the 1920s was because of the affiliations so many of them had previously during the First World War and the German Revolution with Communist, Marxist, and Socialist groups (pacifism, as well, was a common theme amongst them; just as things had been in Russia when the Soviets seized control, they didn't care whether or not Germany won or lost the war-- they just wanted peace at any cost). Actually, when you look at the leaders of the revolution, the majority of them were in fact Jewish: Kurt Eisner, Eugen Levine, Karl Radek, Leo Jogiches (probably), Ernst Toller, Gustav Landauer, and Rosa Luxemburg.
Hitler himself had a very interesting relationship with the Jews throughout his life, to say the least. He wasn't much of an antisemite, if he was one at all, in his private life up until the revolution occurred and things all went to shit. But that's another matter entirely.
[QUOTE=Thomo_UK;42433424]This sounds pretty similar to something that happened 70 years ago.[/QUOTE]
Godwin's law at it again, this time taken to ridiculous speeds.
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[QUOTE=theaceattourney;42436059]If they did I wouldn't be surprised, most Israelis are taught from a young age that a lot of people in the world are out to get them.
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At 18:28, three Polish men are sitting on a bench and say hello to the two Israeli girls on a field trip in the country. Afterwards, one of the Israeli girls said that the polish men were calling them monkeys and donkeys and that they almost got into a fight, when in fact the polish men just didn't understand Hebrew and were trying to say hi.[/QUOTE]
All my rage. Fuck those bitches, seriously.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;42439266]People who say "There's a reason the Jews were kicked out" tend to also be massive antisemites as well.
Jewish people still are hated by many. Just read the news. Fuck, look at stormweenies or /pol/.
Except the holocaust isn't being used to defend Israel. Where did you get this idea from, because it generally tends to be fringe loony pundits who say that.[/QUOTE]
Dude, katbug made the unfortunate mistake of not separating the jewish people from the zionist regime. It happens.
Can we stop playing pin the antisemitism on the donkey? I don't think this guy's a genuine jew-basher, I just think he's taking the action of the people and holding the regime responsible for them and vice-versa.
[QUOTE=Irkalla;42441318]Dude, katbug made the unfortunate mistake of not separating the jewish people from the zionist regime. It happens.
Can we stop playing pin the antisemitism on the donkey? I don't think this guy's a genuine jew-basher, I just think he's taking the action of the people and holding the regime responsible for them and vice-versa.[/QUOTE]
He literally said that they got kicked out of every country that had been in, and was saying "maybe there's another reason", which is just a fancy roundabout term that antisemitic people use.
I see phrases like his on /pol/ and in those "holohoax" memes all the time.
Israel is a mess.
Holy moly. Enough already!
Oihhh
Roundabout term?
That "another reason" is the jewish tradition of using banking & usury to gain finincial control over governments. Usury and money-changing is something that have been used by cunning jews since ancient times. This is the very reason why they have been cursed by persecution.
The only time our biblical friend Jesus used a weapon and violence was when he drove the jewish money-changers out of a jewish temple.
[I]“When a government is dependent upon bankers for money, they and not the leaders of the government control the situation, since the hand that gives is above the hand that takes. Money has no motherland; financiers are without patriotism and without decency; their sole object is gain.”[/I] - Napoleon Bonaparte
[QUOTE=Tengil;42444642]That "another reason" is the jewish tradition of using banking & usury to gain finincial control over governments. Usury and money-changing is something that have been used by cunning jews since ancient times. This is the very reason why they have been cursed by persecution.[/QUOTE]
This is the sort of thing that Nazi sympathizers say.
Like, saying "The Jews control the worlds banks" is a disgusting idea used to justify acts of genocide against innocent people. Millions died in the holocaust and even today there are people who deny that the holocaust even happened.
Saying "The Jews control the worlds banks and this is why they are hated" is downright disgusting.
You've already been banned for antisemitism before just a few weeks ago when you claimed that the holocaust never happened.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;42444730]This is the sort of thing that Nazi sympathizers say.
Like, saying "The Jews control the worlds banks" is a disgusting idea used to justify acts of genocide against innocent people. Millions died in the holocaust and even today there are people who deny that the holocaust even happened.
Saying "The Jews control the worlds banks and this is why they are hated" is downright disgusting.[/QUOTE]
And now i'm a nazi sympathizer? I despise all forms of facism. Very clever of you to pull the holocaust card.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;42444730]This is the sort of thing that Nazi sympathizers say.
Like, saying "The Jews control the worlds banks" is a disgusting idea used to justify acts of genocide against innocent people. Millions died in the holocaust and even today there are people who deny that the holocaust even happened.
Saying "The Jews control the worlds banks and this is why they are hated" is downright disgusting.
You've already been banned for antisemitism before just a few weeks ago when you claimed that the holocaust never happened.[/QUOTE]
I don't get you, you alternate between hardcore philo-Semite and anti-Semite. Why not just pick one and stick with it Sobotnik?
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[QUOTE=Lamar;42444912]I don't get you, you alternate between hardcore philo-Semite and anti-Semite. Why not just pick one and stick with it Sobotnik?
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[QUOTE=Tengil;42444896]And now i'm a nazi sympathizer? I despise all forms of facism. Very clever of you to pull the holocaust card.[/QUOTE]
People who say Jews control the worlds banks and practically saying it's the Jews fault for their own persecution is in itself, antisemitic.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;42445053][b]2011[/b][/QUOTE]
So you're a reformed anti-Semite turned into a philo-Semite that uses an antisemitic caricature as your avatar, makes perfect sense.
[QUOTE=Lamar;42445076]So you're a reformed anti-Semite turned into a philo-Semite that use an antisemitic caricature as your avatar, makes perfect sense.[/QUOTE]
god forbid we might be free to change how we think based on new information or understanding
[QUOTE=SeamanStains;42445107]god forbid we might be free to change how we think based on new information or understanding[/QUOTE]
Yes, I know people can change.
But.. its worth questioning why there is apparently such a drastic change, yet he uses an antisemitic caricature as his avatar.
[QUOTE=Lamar;42445139]Yes, I know people can change.
But.. its worth questioning why there is apparently such a drastic change, yet he uses an antisemitic caricature as his avatar.[/QUOTE]
oh dear, someone might not be rigidly entrenched in one camp?
what a confusing situation for you
[QUOTE=SeamanStains;42445190]oh dear, someone might not be rigidly entrenched in one camp?
what a confusing situation for you[/QUOTE]
But he is rigidly entrenched in one camp, just a polar extreme from his original position.
That Israel or whatever is it called...
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[QUOTE=Lamar;42445139]Yes, I know people can change.
But.. its worth questioning why there is apparently such a drastic change, yet he uses an antisemitic caricature as his avatar.[/QUOTE]
I'm guessing the depiction of a sterotypical black man in your avatar is not a problem either?
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;42445277]I'm guessing the depiction of a sterotypical black man in your avatar is not a problem either?[/QUOTE]
That's my favorite character (Ryder) from GTA:San Andreas. But actually, no its not a problem. Are you going to avoid answering my question all day or what Sobotnik?
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;42445277]I'm guessing the depiction of a sterotypical black man in your avatar is not a problem either?[/QUOTE]
if you don't like ryder then you are racist buusta
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[sp]Busta!, Straight Busta![/sp]
[QUOTE=jacek2144;42445263]That Israel or whatever is it called...
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I don't follow. What would you want to happen to the Jewish people there?
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;42445435]I don't follow. What would you want to happen to the Jewish people there?[/QUOTE]
To learn to feel as equal as everyone
I ain't givin' shit about some bustas thinkin' their better
[QUOTE=jacek2144;42445460]To learn to feel as equal as everyone
I ain't givin' shit about some bustas thinkin' their better[/QUOTE]
I mean it seems a bit odd you would post "Purge everything" with regards to the people of Israel.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;42445965]I mean it seems a bit odd you would post "Purge everything" with regards to the people of Israel.[/QUOTE]
Or he could be referring to what the people this thread is about want to do to non Jewish people, which you do not seem to understand.
Also, why are you suddenly avoiding questions?
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