[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31718769]And them being "weirdos" should impact your tolerance of their lifestyle or sexual orientation because...?
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I never said it doesn't happen, I said it as a whole doesn't categorize the gay rights movement, and using it against them to call them weird doesn't make you look any better.[/QUOTE]
i say we all go downtown and take a shit right there in public!
who are you to judge us?
[QUOTE=Kopimi;31718792]i say we all go downtown and take a shit right there in public!
who are you to judge us?[/QUOTE]
So long as you pick it up I couldn't give less of a shit where you shit.
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Not only this, but how is going on a parade float in underwear comparable to taking a shit in public?
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31718769]And them being "weirdos" should impact your tolerance of their lifestyle or sexual orientation because...?[/QUOTE]
So instead of working to make yourself more accepted you say "Well they're jerks if they don't accept me so whatever!"
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31718833]So long as you pick it up I couldn't give less of a shit where you shit.[/QUOTE]
yeah sanitation and decency is worthless, lets all go jerk off in public too! why not, right?
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;31718842]So instead of working to make yourself more accepted you say "Well they're jerks if they don't accept me so whatever!"[/QUOTE]
If you're going to write off gay rights from your "acceptable laws list" in your head because they seem weird, that's another problem altogether.
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;31718842]So instead of working to make yourself more accepted you say "Well they're jerks if they don't accept me so whatever!"[/QUOTE]
hes like a fat goth girl in middle school that doesnt bother trying to be a decent human being, just acts like a cunt and says "if you dont like it thats too bad because i am who i am!!!!"
[QUOTE=Kopimi;31718857]yeah sanitation and decency is worthless, lets all go jerk off in public too! why not, right?[/QUOTE]
Are you fucking kidding me? How is any of this comparable to going on a parade float in your underwear?
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[QUOTE=Kopimi;31718868]hes like a fat goth girl in middle school that doesnt bother trying to be a decent human being, just acts like a cunt and says "if you dont like it thats too bad because i am who i am!!!!"[/QUOTE]
Hahaha, oh wow. So now flamboyant gays are like fat goth girls who hate everybody? That's truly a ridiculous characterization.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31718869]Are you fucking kidding me? How is any of this comparable to going on a parade float in your underwear?[/QUOTE]
its indecent, its childish, its [b]fucking stupid[/b]
nobody that isnt involved enjoys it, and you're being a total prick by doing it
you're detrimental to your own cause and nobody will take you seriously
[QUOTE=Kopimi;31718868]hes like a fat goth girl in middle school that doesnt bother trying to be a decent human being, just acts like a cunt and says "if you dont like it thats too bad because i am who i am!!!!"[/QUOTE]
a fat goth chick has the right to be a fat goth chick if that's what she wants
[QUOTE=Kopimi;31718891]its indecent, its childish, its [b]fucking stupid[/b]
nobody that isnt involved enjoys it, and you're being a total prick by doing it
you're detrimental to your own cause and nobody will take you seriously[/QUOTE]
Well in that SF parade photo, I do see a crowd watching the parade, so you're pretty obviously wrong.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31718862]If you're going to write off gay rights from your "acceptable laws list" in your head because they seem weird, that's another problem altogether.[/QUOTE]
I support gay marriage, etc. but I can still criticize gay rights parades. My point is though that saying "I should do this and disregard the [i]actual[/i] consequences for gay people because [i]if you don't like it you're just a homophobe![/i]" is a really bad way to go about it.
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;31718921]I support gay marriage, etc. but I can still criticize gay rights parades. My point is though that saying "I should do this and disregard the [i]actual[/i] consequences for gay people because [i]if you don't like it you're just a homophobe![/i]" is a really bad way to go about it.[/QUOTE]
except that his conclusions on the "actual consequences for homosexuals" are totally baseless
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;31718921]I support gay marriage, etc. but I can still criticize gay rights parades. My point is though that saying "I should do this and disregard the [i]actual[/i] consequences for gay people because [i]if you don't like it you're just a homophobe![/i]" is a really bad way to go about it.[/QUOTE]
Can you actually think of anyone who would be swayed to not support gay rights because of this parade? If no, you pretty much have no point.
[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31718957]Can you actually think of anyone who would be swayed to not support gay rights because of this parade? If no, you pretty much have no point.[/QUOTE]
Go to any church in the Southeast, where I happen to live, and show them this:
[img]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-27p3Tn4w_ZU/Teq9w8ajr2I/AAAAAAAAAP8/Ke0QwVF-mtc/s1600/Gay-pride-Brasil.jpg[/img]
How do you think they'll react? Negatively? I can interpret that as "men parading around like idiots in their underwear has a tendency to make people think more negatively of gays, and less likely to support gay rights".
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;31718996]Go to any church in the Southeast, where I happen to live, and show them this:
[img]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-27p3Tn4w_ZU/Teq9w8ajr2I/AAAAAAAAAP8/Ke0QwVF-mtc/s1600/Gay-pride-Brasil.jpg[/img]
How do you think they'll react? Negatively? I can interpret that as "men parading around like idiots in their underwear has a tendency to make people think more negatively of gays, and less likely to support gay rights".[/QUOTE]
Okay, for one thing I don't think many churches in the South-East US will support gay rights no matter how many men in underwear they do or do not see. Second, that picture is from Brazil.
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;31718842]So instead of working to make yourself more accepted you say "Well they're jerks if they don't accept me so whatever!"[/QUOTE]
Take your argument and apply it to homosexuals.
You've got the exact same baseless and illogical way of thinking a homophobe has. If you were born 50 years ago, you'd probably be one too.
How about you just let people do what they want, as long as it doesn't harm you.
No, you know what, no, I'm not saying it's okay to be intolerant. I'm saying that it IS bad to be intolerant. I'm also saying that it's pretty piss-poor planning on their part to be so flamboyant, if you want more rights.
Get it through your skulls and stop repeating the same thing.
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;31719092]No, you know what, no, I'm not saying it's okay to be intolerant. I'm saying that it IS bad to be intolerant. I'm also saying that it's pretty piss-poor planning on their part.
Get it through your skulls and stop repeating the same thing.[/QUOTE]
You're the one who said people should conform.
[quote][b]So instead of working to make yourself more accepted[/b] you say "Well they're jerks if they don't accept me so whatever!"[/quote]
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;31719092]No, you know what, no, I'm not saying it's okay to be intolerant. I'm saying that it IS bad to be intolerant. I'm also saying that it's pretty piss-poor planning on their part to be so flamboyant, if you want more rights.
Get it through your skulls and stop repeating the same thing.[/QUOTE]
Why should how flamboyant they are effect how many rights they receive? If you have someone who based their views off of that, then yes, they are a bigot.
[QUOTE=Rubs10;31719096]You're the one who said people should conform.[/QUOTE]
Conform, not as in "stop being gay" but "stop running around looking like a My Little Pony figure".
And not out of intolerance but the recognization that other people ARE intolerant, and these intolerant people stand in the way of gay rights.
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[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31719145]Why should how flamboyant they are effect how many rights they receive? If you have someone who based their views off of that, then yes, they are a bigot.[/QUOTE]
[b]for fuck sake, yes they are a bigot but if the bigots stand in the way of your rights, it might be in your interest to not offend them so much[/b]
stop repeating the same criticism
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;31719149]Conform, not as in "stop being gay" but "stop running around looking like a My Little Pony figure".
And not out of intolerance but the recognization that other people ARE intolerant, and these intolerant people stand in the way of gay rights.[/QUOTE]
Again, you're pretty much saying they should stop being so open about who they are to appease bigots.
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;31718996]
How do you think they'll react? Negatively? [/QUOTE]
that's because they're already homophobes dude
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only homophobes and teenage boys (large overlap) get bothered by seeing shirtless men
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;31719149]Conform, not as in "stop being gay" but "stop running around looking like a My Little Pony figure".
And not out of intolerance but the recognization that other people ARE intolerant, and these intolerant people stand in the way of gay rights.
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[b]for fuck sake, yes they are a bigot but if the bigots stand in the way of your rights, it might be in your interest to not offend them so much[/b]
stop repeating the same criticism[/QUOTE]
this is like blaming the rape victim for dressing so sexily
[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;31719178]that's because they're already homophobes dude[/QUOTE]
and sparkling half-naked men are helping this in no way
[QUOTE=Kopimi;31717515]even though i'll get yelled at, i agree
marching around half naked doesn't seem to be the right way to gain political respect[/QUOTE]
That's why I was so proud of the men and women in the US military who started marching in the gay pride rallies after Don't Ask Don't Tell was repealed, they were all dressed respectfully and with big smiles and a banner that said "I am gay and proud to serve my country". That brought me to tears.
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;31718996]Go to any church in the Southeast, where I happen to live, and show them this:
[img]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-27p3Tn4w_ZU/Teq9w8ajr2I/AAAAAAAAAP8/Ke0QwVF-mtc/s1600/Gay-pride-Brasil.jpg[/img]
How do you think they'll react? Negatively? I can interpret that as "men parading around like idiots in their underwear has a tendency to make people think more negatively of gays, and less likely to support gay rights".[/QUOTE]
If you took that to a church in the south they'd probably say "hey that's my preacher, what the hell"
[QUOTE=Kopimi;31717515]even though i'll get yelled at, i agree
marching around half naked doesn't seem to be the right way to gain political respect[/QUOTE]
I'm gay, and I agree with this partially. It give the general population who don't have a major opinion on the issue the picture that we are all nothing but a bunch of sexual deviants; however, even if the parades were just marches for equality without any of the sexual aspects tacked on, it wouldn't change the minds of people who are opposed to it, seeing how their whole entire stance against gay marriage is based off of their religion, and they just use the sexuality and vulgarity of the parades to sway other people's opinions on the issue. It's still the wrong way to fight for equality, but even if it just stopped one day, the people opposed to gays will just find something else to base their argument on (while poorly trying to hide the religious aspects of it).
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;31719149][b]for fuck sake, yes they are a bigot but if the bigots stand in the way of your rights, it might be in your interest to not offend them so much[/b]
stop repeating the same criticism[/QUOTE]
I'll say it again, a bigot isn't going to stop being against gay marriage simply because less flamboyant gay guys or lesbian women are around.
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;31719149]Conform, not as in "stop being gay" but "stop running around looking like a My Little Pony figure".[/QUOTE]
uhhh i'm pretty sure they're not like that every day, going to work all hunky and shirtless. I'm pretty sure it's just for the parade, which is in effect just a big gay party. straight people have big straight parties (mardi gras, carnivale, etc.) so why can't gay people have them too?
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;31719149][b]for fuck sake, yes they are a bigot but if the bigots stand in the way of your rights, it might be in your interest to not offend them so much[/b][/QUOTE]
that's giving them their way and that won't solve anything
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;31719209]and sparkling half-naked men are helping this in no way[/QUOTE]
Why would they change themselves to appease bigots? It makes [B]no sense.[/B]
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