Why Ad Blocking is devastating to the sites you love - Polidicks

[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;20624668]The example you gave is somewhat of a logical fallacy. Websites aren't leaving out money, or having poor security measures so you can steal stuff, they just have ads to make money.[/quote] The websites are providing you with a service, and so is the store. You have the option of providing them with cash in return for the service, or not doing so. In the second example that's euphemistic for stealing. Whether or not Adblock is stealing is being debated currently, it appears. The website and the store [I]could[/I] "adopt a smart business plan" (security measures, blocking adblock) in order to make not paying for the services harder or impossible, but they do not. Xenocidebot's logic dictates that if I walk out of Best Buy with a $20 CD in plain sight and no security system detects me, they "obviously intended" for that to happen. [quote]If every store in the world had the option of paying, but if you pay you get spammed with flashing pictures, annoying sounds and other things, how many people would pay?[/quote] In the analogy, the payment [I]is[/I] the flashing pictures, annoying sounds, and other things. They are one thing, not two. [quote]Adblock basically just has a list of things it thinks are an ad then prevents them from being loaded. If it thinks the whole page is an ad, the page won't be loaded. All you have to do is rename things so that everything is on the 'ad blacklist' and then nothing will be loaded. It's not really detecting ABP.[/QUOTE] I was not aware of this, thank you. And thank you for making it simple so a simpleton like me could comprehend it. Also I have school tomorrow and I want to get my eight hours so I have to go, bye, so as not to look like I'm fagging out just say I surrender and you win, bai.

I don't block ads, I just use it to block anime and gross shit

Here's how I see it: You make a website, for whatever reason. It's on you to pay for it, run it, work on it, etc however you can- for as long as you feel like it. If Ars Tech needs to lay people off, what does that have to do with me? I didn't tell them to start paying people in the first place. And I resent them implying I'm taking something from them by going to their site without seeing their ads. Hey buddy, YOU put the site online, not me! If you want, make it subscriber only, otherwise quit your bitching about it.

I'll disable Adblock when they can promise there will be no huge flash ads with annoying sound or malware. Since they use doubleclick I don't expect that to happen any time soon.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;20624856]The websites are providing you with a service, and so is the store. You have the option of providing them with cash in return for the service, or not doing so. In the second example that's euphemistic for stealing. Whether or not Adblock is stealing is being debated currently, it appears. The website and the store [I]could[/I] "adopt a smart business plan" (security measures, blocking adblock) in order to make not paying for the services harder or impossible, but they do not. Xenocidebot's logic dictates that if I walk out of Best Buy with a $20 CD in plain sight and no security system detects me, they "obviously intended" for that to happen.[/QUOTE] However most websites provide some service in a way that you can support them in a way by purchasing their product. Like buying google things, or buying GMOD to help FP, buying merch to support smaller websites. Other websites allow donations ie wikipedia. ABP isn't stealing, since you're not getting any money and neither is ABP, if anything it's just preventing sales. Websites obviously have bills they have to pay but google ads don't pay that much in the first place. Even if everyone had ABP and google didn't pay for ads people don't see (which I think they do) you shouldn't be having severe hosting problems. If you make a website that doesn't sell anything, and you're complaining you're not making a profit, you should really be quiet. It's like becoming a professor but complaining because you can't afford a pool and a BMW, you should do something because you like it, not for the money. People are complaining because they are greedy. If it was devestating the websites I love, why are FP and youtube still up? Garry isn't butthurt. Honestly, if you're having a trouble staying afloat, it won't be from people blocking ads. If your site is actually good, people will donate or try to help you out. Also, obviously companies and websites don't intend for this to happen, it's just poor planning. Xenocidebot just misspoke methinks.[quote] In the analogy, the payment [I]is[/I] the flashing pictures, annoying sounds, and other things. They are one thing, not two.[/quote]Well that was the point I was trying to make however not all ads have to be flashy, full of sound and otherwise annoying, an ad is just something that promotes a product. But it seems that an increasing number of ads are becoming flashy pieces of rotten whale excrement.

I for one would completely ignore any site that tried blocking content. Whats better, have no viewers or viewers that ignore adverts?

I don't block ads for this reason precisely. I value the websites I visit.

[QUOTE=Klownox;20625066]I don't block ads for this reason precisely. I value the websites I visit.[/QUOTE] It would be nice if websites valued their visitors rather than look at them as revenue.

[QUOTE=Swim;20622694]Personally, I go out of my way to make sure garry makes as little money as possible :smug:[/QUOTE] That avatar is the most disgusting thing i have seen on facepunch.

[QUOTE=Mokkan13;20625108]That avatar is the most disgusting thing i have seen on facepunch.[/QUOTE] Dude yours is too. A helpless explorer being consumed by a ravenous wolf?

Me, I only blacklist websites on my ABP that deliver an utter clusterfuck of ads when I go there. I don't want to have to spend ten goddamn minutes closing pop-ups.

[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;20625087]It would be nice if websites valued their visitors rather than look at them as revenue.[/QUOTE] Rumor has it that websites cost money to run.

I don't block ads, as they're more or less one of the primary components of the Internet's economy

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;20624673][B]PROBLEM:[/B] some websites have shitty ad providers [B]SOLUTION:[/B] block pretty much all ad providers and deprive websites of revenue, claim it's their fault makes sense[/QUOTE] [b]PROBLEM:[/b] Some W have bad A A provides next to no benefit [b]SOLUTION:[/b] Block A I see nothing wrong with this.

Yeah thanks, but I think I will keep javascript blocked and my ad blocker up. Javascript is dangerous unchecked and frankly I tried leaving the goddamn ads on and they remain obnoxious. I would gladly swap over to paying for the sites I frequent. The amount is ridiculously small per user for each ad. You could double it and still be paying pennies.

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;20622952]ITT People try to defend their adblocking[/QUOTE] I don't have to defend my adblocking practices. First, most ads don't provide any revenue if nobody clicks them. Rate dumb and bad reading all you want because there ARE exceptions, but all rules have exceptions. Second, leaving javascript enabled all the time is a security risk. Some ads are malicious, so it's much safer to block them all. Third, I'm saving bandwidth for the website, my ISP, and myself.

AdBlock, NoScript and FlashBlock ftw. I block everything, everywhere, and I always block the server directly instead of individual ads. I don't care if the site receives no revenue. If the site is big enough they can deal, if not then they probably don't even matter in the first place.

oH THIS IS SO SAD ILL NEVER ADBLOCK AGAIN :((((((((((((((

I never used to bother blocking ads because they weren't that annoying or invasive. Then they got worse and worse until this fucking flash ad with a mosquito with a loud BUZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ noise was every fucking where. I'd consider removing ad-block if all ads were quiet and not invasive to what I'm doing.

What if I block flash objects, not ads? Is it also bad? ;-) Besides, every time my browser makes a http request, it downloads the entire webpage. Every blocker works locally, after downloading it. So if the ad doesn't send feedback to the adserver (why should they do that?), it's always counted as displayed.

i block ads so they don't devastate the computer that i love. fuck your 2 cents revenue for me seeing ads, i'll stop when you stop with the fucking bullshit ads that shout about me winning an ipod and how my penis needs to be longer.

[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;20625015]ABP isn't stealing, since you're not getting any money and neither is ABP, if anything it's just preventing sales. Websites obviously have bills they have to pay but google ads don't pay that much in the first place. Even if everyone had ABP and google didn't pay for ads people don't see (which I think they do) you shouldn't be having severe hosting problems.[/QUOTE] You don't have to be getting money to be stealing. You can take a banana from a store and it's still stealing even though you're not getting money from it, you're getting a banana. If you want the stealing metaphor to make sense look at it from this perspective: The content on a website is a service being provided to you by the owners of the website, and your ad views on that website are your payment for accessing the content. When you block those ad views you are still accessing the service (the website content), but you are not "paying" for it (viewing the ads). It's not stealing in the classic sense obviously, but if you can't understand the connection you're definitely not the brightest crayon in the box.

Do the sites know that tons of javascript pop ins and flashy pictures all around the site is really devastating to my mind and to my eyes?

[QUOTE=M2k3;20622961]Maybe if they stopped making ads use flash and make annoying sounds people would stop blocking them. There's nothing more annoying than to have your music interrupted by some obnoxious advertisement for some scammy smilies.[/QUOTE] Even worse. Now google has started using YouTube for ads, which autoplays and is fucking loud.

Am I the only one who can't be arsed to block ads? I mean if it's gonna harm my computer my AV picks it up and changes the HTML on the fly to make sure it doesn't finish loading.

[QUOTE=KmartSqrl;20627657]You don't have to be getting money to be stealing. You can take a banana from a store and it's still stealing even though you're not getting money from it, you're getting a banana. If you want the stealing metaphor to make sense look at it from this perspective: The content on a website is a service being provided to you by the owners of the website, and your ad views on that website are your payment for accessing the content. When you block those ad views you are still accessing the service (the website content), but you are not "paying" for it (viewing the ads). It's not stealing in the classic sense obviously, but if you can't understand the connection you're definitely not the brightest crayon in the box.[/QUOTE] It's more like fast forwarding through the commercials. No one cares except for gigantic pansies who want more money.

I block ads because they're fugly. I don't care that you don't ear ad revenue. If I am forced to watch flashing "Ur 9k member, u win" or text ads after every sentence, I better turn them off.

The problem is that [B]I DO NOT CARE.[/B] I love my AdBlock Pro.

Put ads in a place that isn't obstructive and don't fucking use flash ads then people might not block them as much.

Adverts should not be used as a main source of funding, which many websites seem to be trying to do. If you cannot keep up the costs without adverts, then you shouldn't be running it in the first place. It's there to soften the blow of bills, not consume them. I daresay many people wouldn't be too annoyed if it were just a banner here and there, but you get some really, [B]really[/B] annoying adverts that play loud sounds and are just plain obnoxious, hence why people use adblocking tools.