Rejected EU Remain posters revealed as ad agencies criticise the way the campaign was run

[Sobotnik]

[QUOTE=Chilblain;50655335]The economic damage and damage to free travel is hardly permanent, stuff like that always happens during times of unrest, and there's not all that much saying that Britain can't recover and reform its ties other than the EU itself.[/quote]

It could last decades, which is long enough to affect a massive portion of my life.

[quote]It's fine that you value your travel through Europe, but that doesn't mean that the sovereignty offered by leaving the EU is invalid, and from what I can see it looks like it would be easier to regain freedom of movement through Europe after leaving than it would be to regain the right to self-determination after staying.[/QUOTE]

But who gives a heaping fuck about this "self-determination" when I don't have any more power to affect decisions in Westminster than in Brussels? I want to live and work in /Europe/ and not outside of it. When/if we leave, I'm actually going to start searching for jobs and accommodation overseas because there's no future for me or for a lot of other people here after Brexit. Luckily I have Polish citizenship so I don't lose my EU citizen status, but it's going to be harder for people to live and work in Britain.

Sovereignty is just a bullshit argument that's used to deflect all of the economic, social, and political problems with a vague promise that because this piece of land is making slightly different decisions is a better state to be in.

[Headhumpy]

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;50655952]What do you mean? The laws made by the EU take priority over the laws present in member states. And the EU has the capability to control almost everything: education, industry, tourism, culture, administration.

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I don't know what you're trying to say here. Might want to tone down the passive aggressive sarcasm a bit.

Veto what? Regulations of ingredients and labels of goods exported to EU? How much control over that do you think you have when it comes to goods exported to the US? Or anywhere else for that matter.[/QUOTE]

In case you haven't realised, EU law is simply one of the many sets of international law that the UK must follow in order to participate in global politics. The UK also has a very big say in what these laws are like so it's not as if we didn't have any control over it. And how the fuck does EU law control culture?

[FlashMarsh]

[QUOTE=Headhumpy;50656019]In case you haven't realised, EU law is simply one of the many sets of international law that the UK must follow in order to participate in global politics. The UK also has a very big say in what these laws are like so it's not as if we didn't have any control over it. And how the fuck does EU law control culture?[/QUOTE]

[url]https://laeffyblog.wordpress.com/2016/05/18/the-european-union-and-sovereignty/[/url]

I'm not sure this is an honest representation of the EU. The EU goes far beyond what any other international treaty demands of us, and, most importantly, seeks to go much further than it already has.

[Nebukadnezzer]

[QUOTE=Kentz;50629409]people act as if this is the first time when a demographic turns an election out of their favor

guess what there are many demographics which swings every vote ever

women and immigrants for socialism and welfare
middle aged men for free market and property rights
young people for free university

suddenly this election is supposed to be different because its the fault of the older generation?

id make a caption myself with a bunch of acne filled 15 years olds saying

"OTHER PEOPLE PAYING FOR ME IS NOT MY PROBLEM AT THIS MOMENT

FREE UNIVERSITY & OPEN BORDERS FOR EVERYONE"[/QUOTE]

See, I don't really have a problem if the result of an election doesn't reflect what would be the result if everybody had to vote by law.

If you can't muster up the minimum fucking effort it takes to put in your vote, if you care so little about the issue, your opinion is pretty much irrelevant compared to the people that actually care.

[Silly Sil]

[QUOTE=Headhumpy;50656019]In case you haven't realised, EU law is simply one of the many sets of international law that the UK must follow in order to participate in global politics.[/QUOTE]
The EU is not a simple set of many sets of international law. Come on. There's another government above your country's own government. And it can implement laws in your country which overrule your country's own laws. On top of that people from said government want to create a superstate (basically United States of Europe) with unified army. Saying that EU laws are simple one of many sets of international law is a colossal understatement. Or you're being disingenuous.
[QUOTE=Headhumpy;50656019]The UK also has a very big say in what these laws are like so it's not as if we didn't have any control over it.[/QUOTE]
And yeah you have some degree of control. You can say no (and then it still may pass as far as I know, correct me if I'm wrong). You pretty much cannot propose your own reforms.
[QUOTE=Headhumpy;50656019]And how the fuck does EU law control culture?[/QUOTE]
The fucking lisbom treaty gives the fucking EU the fucking ability to control the fucking culture. I don't fucking know how the fuck they are going to fucking do it. Ask them. Fuck.