Donald Trump just hit a critical threshold for the GOP nomination, first candidate to qualify for GO - Polidicks

[QUOTE=proboardslol;49938673]We already do it to felons. What's wrong with doing it to racists? Racists are arguably categorically worse people.[/QUOTE] You are the face of the left: angrily demanding people vote away their right to vote for committing what quite literally amounts to thoughtcrime, demanding the dissolution of democracy, and wondering why that's not working out for you.

[QUOTE=Fat White Lump;49938712]Because as long as you are a citizen in this country you should? People who disagree with you shouldn't be silenced. Just like people I disagree with shouldn't even though some of them are stupid. [url]http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2016/mar/08/trump-clinton-primary-michigan-mississippi-idaho-hawaii-sanders-us-election-2016[/url] Check out Louise Jenkins, she's voted for Clinton but thinks her name is "Hilltron."[/QUOTE] Yeah, ideally speaking every citizen should get a vote. America isn't an ideal nation. Your educational system leads to people like you who don't know anything about the policies of the candidate they're voting for. People like you vote for Trump cause you like the tagline "Make America Great Again," and nothing else. His healthcare savings account plan will do nothing to increase quality or coverage of healthcare, in fact it will reduce coverage to tens of millions of your fellow Americans. His ideas for the nation include no tax plan which actually works, since his current one is basically "tax cuts for EVERYONE", which will increase yearly spending by around 1000 bucks instead of the 9000 that single-payer healthcare would. His plans for the education are "Cut Department of Education and Common Core", "Cut the Department of Education way, way down." And if his plans for schools are anything like the disastrous failure that Trump University was, then your country will become even dumber. Do you not see the problem? Uneducated people vote for republicans because they have strong emotional taglines. The republicans in power cut education, do nothing to help the middle and lower class. Americans become even dumber, even more people vote Republican.

[QUOTE=proboardslol;49938694]Why though? So we can let uneducated racists try to make the country worse?[/QUOTE] What if they are uneducated because they had poor upbringings and very little money? What if they didnt have the privileges YOU have to teach them right? Have you ever tried putting yourself in someone elses shoes?

[QUOTE=proboardslol;49938544]Trump wants to remove rights of muslims and mexicans and I disagree with his awful viewpoint, I want to remove the rights of hicks instead.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=proboardslol;49938425]Donald Trump is the result of 16 years of political mismanagement by the republican party. For years the republican party was the Mitt Romney-type business guys sitting around going "money money money" while smoking illegal cuban cigars. They went to washington and did fucking nothing and now all the blue collar racist conservatives who lost their jobs to illegal migrant workers are coming out of the wood work and trying to fuck the republican party. Donald Trump does best among racists and in states with higher than average unemployment. The Republican party has been stepping on their very voter base for nearly 2 decades and now they're angry. Hopefully John Kasich will save our country and these blue collar pieces of shit will fade back into the unemployment line where they and their 20th century mentalities belong.[/QUOTE] So you admit that the Republican establishment is nothing but a surrogate for the business class, but you support John Kasich and want those people to "fade back into the unemployment line"? I mean, I hate Trump as much as anyone else, but these people have legitimate grievances, wrongheaded as they may be.

[QUOTE=proboardslol;49938673]We already do it to felons. What's wrong with doing it to racists? Racists are arguably categorically worse people.[/QUOTE] You wanna take away someone's right to vote because you don't agree with them? Lay off the tap water.

Proboardslol is that increasingly nervous man for the 10th time this race.

[QUOTE=Da Bomb76;49938830]So you admit that the Republican establishment is nothing but a surrogate for the business class, but you support John Kasich and want those people to "fade back into the unemployment line"? I mean, I hate Trump as much as anyone else, but these people have legitimate grievances, wrongheaded as they may be.[/QUOTE] I think growing up on the beltway has made me sympathetic towards the aristocracy/status quo in this country. Also. Since I see my comments have blown up, I'll admit I'm being partway facetious. Yes, I recognize the irony in calling trump a fascist and then advocating taking away people's political agency. Of course, I think everyone ought to have the legal right to vote. Even felons. However, I think that in real society, we can expect to find only a few classes of people who will actually vote. I think that it's our duty as responsible members of society to not tolerate the type of rhetoric coming from donald trump and his followers. I think that their legal political agency should be guaranteed but I think their real agency (the legitimacy we assign to their beliefs in political discussion and popular culture) should be absolutely stripped bare. I think we're being irresponsible if we allow the rhetoric about race and violence from trump to become a mainstream part of our political culture in this country, and I think that the parties have a responsibility to maintain some semblance of status quo when selecting their candidates for the simple fact that giving legitimacy to donald trump gives legitimacy to entering racist beliefs into the realm of serious nationwide political discussion. [editline]15th March 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=mastermaul;49938776]You are the face of the left: angrily demanding people vote away their right to vote for committing what quite literally amounts to thoughtcrime, demanding the dissolution of democracy, and wondering why that's not working out for you.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Boaraes;49938764]That's not up for you to decide, nor is it for anyone else. That's why it's called a "right". It seems the "regressive left" really is a thing.[/QUOTE] As I explained, I was being a bit facetious but I'm probably a lot more right than you would think I am.

[QUOTE=proboardslol;49938882]I think growing up on the beltway has made me sympathetic towards the aristocracy/status quo in this country. Also. Since I see my comments have blown up, I'll admit I'm being partway facetious. Yes, I recognize the irony in calling trump a fascist and then advocating taking away people's political agency. Of course, I think everyone ought to have the legal right to vote. Even felons. However, I think that in real society, we can expect to find only a few classes of people who will actually vote. I think that it's our duty as responsible members of society to not tolerate the type of rhetoric coming from donald trump and his followers. I think that their legal political agency should be guaranteed but I think their real agency (the legitimacy we assign to their beliefs in political discussion and popular culture) should be absolutely stripped bare. I think we're being irresponsible if we allow the rhetoric about race and violence from trump to become a mainstream part of our political culture in this country, and I think that the parties have a responsibility to maintain some semblance of status quo when selecting their candidates for the simple fact that giving legitimacy to donald trump gives legitimacy to entering racist beliefs into the realm of serious nationwide political discussion. [editline]15th March 2016[/editline] As I explained, I was being a bit facetious but I'm probably a lot more right than you would think I am.[/QUOTE] [img]http://i.imgur.com/6vApA.gif[/img]

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;49938968][img]http://i.imgur.com/6vApA.gif[/img][/QUOTE] K call it whatever you want but I think politics is a lot more complicated than what the laws and party rules officially are. I have no reason to backpedaling because I don't give a fuck what some strangers on a gas mask enthusiast forum think of my political opinions.

[QUOTE=proboardslol;49938882]I think growing up on the beltway has made me sympathetic towards the aristocracy/status quo in this country. Also. Since I see my comments have blown up, I'll admit I'm being partway facetious. Yes, I recognize the irony in calling trump a fascist and then advocating taking away people's political agency. Of course, I think everyone ought to have the legal right to vote. Even felons. However, I think that in real society, we can expect to find only a few classes of people who will actually vote. I think that it's our duty as responsible members of society to not tolerate the type of rhetoric coming from donald trump and his followers. I think that their legal political agency should be guaranteed but I think their real agency (the legitimacy we assign to their beliefs in political discussion and popular culture) should be absolutely stripped bare. I think we're being irresponsible if we allow the rhetoric about race and violence from trump to become a mainstream part of our political culture in this country, and I think that the parties have a responsibility to maintain some semblance of status quo when selecting their candidates for the simple fact that giving legitimacy to donald trump gives legitimacy to entering racist beliefs into the realm of serious nationwide political discussion.[/QUOTE] You're completely out of touch. Do you know what it means to be blue collar? Have you even seen a poor person, or are they some kind of abstraction for you?

[QUOTE=proboardslol;49938998]K call it whatever you want but I think politics is a lot more complicated than what the laws and party rules officially are. I have no reason to backpedaling because I don't give a fuck what some strangers on a gas mask enthusiast forum think of my political opinions.[/QUOTE] You called for fascists to be banned from the political system in one of the most ironic series of posts I've ever read, then you simply recanted on all of it while hiding behind being "facetious".

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;49939004]You're completely out of touch. Do you know what it means to be blue collar? Have you even seen a poor person, or are they some kind of abstraction for you?[/QUOTE] I'm probably completely out of touch with those people yeah but nothing excuses racism. I don't care if they suffered through 20 years in a russian gulag, if their political opinions result in hateful and violent rhetoric then they shouldn't be legitimized by the media as serious political actors [editline]15th March 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Pantz Master;49939017]You called for fascists to be banned from the political system in one of the most ironic series of posts I've ever read, then you simply recanted on all of it while hiding behind being "facetious".[/QUOTE] Like I said, there's a difference between legally having your right stripped away and popularly being cast aside as a lunatic.

How old are you man? I know age shouldn't be a factor in a discussion like this but I'm genuinely curious how you thought you could get away with this.

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;49939028]How old are you man? I know age shouldn't be a factor in a discussion like this but I'm genuinely curious how you thought you could get away with this.[/QUOTE] I'm 21. Get away with what? Having an unpopular opinion on a forum? I think you're over inflating the importance of this website here

[QUOTE=proboardslol;49939020] Like I said, there's a difference between legally having your right stripped away and [B]popularly being cast aside as a lunatic.[/B][/QUOTE] Prophetic.

[QUOTE=proboardslol;49938998]I have no reason to backpedaling[/QUOTE] Really? [QUOTE=proboardslol;49938651]If giving these people the right to vote means that they're going to vote for a crypto-fascist, they ought to have their political rights stripped from them.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=proboardslol;49938882]Of course, I think everyone ought to have the legal right to vote.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=proboardslol;49938882]I think growing up on the beltway has made me sympathetic towards the aristocracy/status quo in this country. Also. Since I see my comments have blown up, I'll admit I'm being partway facetious. Yes, I recognize the irony in calling trump a fascist and then advocating taking away people's political agency. Of course, I think everyone ought to have the legal right to vote. Even felons. However, I think that in real society, we can expect to find only a few classes of people who will actually vote. I think that it's our duty as responsible members of society to not tolerate the type of rhetoric coming from donald trump and his followers. I think that their legal political agency should be guaranteed but I think their real agency (the legitimacy we assign to their beliefs in political discussion and popular culture) should be absolutely stripped bare. I think we're being irresponsible if we allow the rhetoric about race and violence from trump to become a mainstream part of our political culture in this country, and I think that the parties have a responsibility to maintain some semblance of status quo when selecting their candidates for the simple fact that giving legitimacy to donald trump gives legitimacy to entering racist beliefs into the realm of serious nationwide political discussion. [editline]15th March 2016[/editline] As I explained, I was being a bit facetious but I'm probably a lot more right than you would think I am.[/QUOTE] If you recognized the irony then why did you continue your post which never stopped the irony.

[QUOTE=proboardslol;49939036]I'm 21. Get away with what? Having an unpopular opinion on a forum? I think you're over inflating the importance of this website here[/QUOTE] Yet here you are, defending your words :v:

[QUOTE=Quiet;49939049]Really?[/QUOTE] Laws and rules mean nothing in politics. All that really matters is what I'd popularly allowed. But go ahead and ignore what I had later said about being facetious because you'd rather take the text on a website as gospel truth because it somehow makes your worldview work better? Sure go ahead and ignore everything I had said after that point because it no longer fits into the criticism you had. [editline]15th March 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;49939058]Yet here you are, defending your words :v:[/QUOTE] I don't really think I can convince anyone of my views. I think political discussion is just mental masturbation.

I like how he keeps throwing around these 2 words, "Racism and Facsim" Which seems to be the word that keeps being thrown around. What is racist with deporting Ilegal Immigrants? They are doing that in Germany too. You keep throwing these words around but do you have anything to back it up with? [video]https://youtu.be/W5XC7QD1cp8[/video] Your vote on the next President is like watching some Comedy TV series.

[QUOTE=proboardslol;49939020]Like I said, there's a difference between legally having your right stripped away and popularly being cast aside as a lunatic.[/QUOTE] Except that you guys don't actually make the effort to delegitimize his positions, you actually strengthen them because you fucking idiots say stupid shit that legitimize their voter base. What you're fighting is a battle of public opinion, and when you openly state that you want to (or would be okay with) taking away the opposition's basic fucking rights you instantly lose. You, and people LIKE you, are why they're gaining popularity. YOU are the reason they're winning, because instead of shining the spotlight on what's wrong with what they're saying and trying to prove them incorrect or wrong through debate you hand wave them and go "Fuck em, they shouldn't have rights". You directly strengthen the resolve of everyone who holds opinions different from your own and you directly hurt the image of anyone who tries to debate against them, because you're literally advocating for an authoritarian reality where thought-crimes get your rights stripped from you. People who think and act like you do are what drives moderates on issues like these to the opposition, because no one can take you seriously when you dehumanize people while pretending that you're morally superior to everyone else.

[QUOTE=proboardslol;49939020]I'm probably completely out of touch with those people yeah but nothing excuses racism. I don't care if they suffered through 20 years in a russian gulag, if their political opinions result in hateful and violent rhetoric then they shouldn't be legitimized by the media as serious political actors[/QUOTE] If you're so out of touch about the actual state of the country, why do you feel qualified to make these arguments that fail to address even the most basic issues? There's a reason that populism is on a massive upswing, and why the decrepit and unwieldy American political system is struggling to cope with it. Ignoring it and saying "I hope Kaisch wins" is just being delusional about the actual state the country is in.

I wouldn't go as far to call Trump a fascist, simply because the muddied nature of the word makes it hard to define, however I fully agree that he's a racist. As I've said before, this election feels like an IQ test that America is failing.

[QUOTE=soulharvester;49939109]Except that you guys don't actually make the effort to delegitimize his positions, you actually strengthen them because you fucking idiots say stupid shit that legitimize their voter base. What you're fighting is a battle of public opinion, and when you openly state that you want to (or would be okay with) taking away the opposition's basic fucking rights you instantly lose. You, and people LIKE you, are why they're gaining popularity. YOU are the reason they're winning, because instead of shining the spotlight on what's wrong with what they're saying and trying to prove them incorrect or wrong through debate you hand wave them and go "Fuck em, they shouldn't have rights". You directly strengthen the resolve of everyone who holds opinions different from your own and you directly hurt the image of anyone who tries to debate against them, because you're literally advocating for an authoritarian reality where thought-crimes get your rights stripped from you. People who think and act like you do are what drives moderates on issues like these to the opposition, because no one can take you seriously when you dehumanize people while pretending that you're morally superior to everyone else.[/QUOTE] K so if there were a strong Islamic group in the US that said christians should pay taxes to muslims, women should have to wear a niqab, and homosexuals ought to be stoned to death, you think we ought to tolerate those opinions and give them serious thought and discussion? [editline]15th March 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Sobotnik;49939138]If you're so out of touch about the actual state of the country, why do you feel qualified to make these arguments that fail to address even the most basic issues? There's a reason that populism is on a massive upswing, and why the decrepit and unwieldy American political system is struggling to cope with it. Ignoring it and saying "I hope Kaisch wins" is just being delusional about the actual state the country is in.[/QUOTE] So you're saying people above a certain income bracket aren't qualified to make political decisions? That only the poor really know what's what?

[QUOTE=proboardslol;49939154]K so if there were a strong Islamic group in the US that said christians should pay taxes to muslims, women should have to wear a niqab, and homosexuals ought to be stoned to death, you think we ought to tolerate those opinions and give them serious thought and discussion?[/quote] Yes. We should discuss it. I don't know what you don't understand about this.

[QUOTE=proboardslol;49939154]So you're saying people above a certain income bracket aren't qualified to make political decisions? That only the poor really know what's what?[/QUOTE] being rich isn't an excuse for being ignorant. rich people have much more privileges and luxuries than the rest of us, but they also have more responsibilities, and those responsibilities include making sure the less well off people dont get left behind (the standards are higher for them). do you at least understand that blue collar people loathe people like you, and for justifiable reasons?

[QUOTE=proboardslol;49938380]For those wondering what it means, it means that someone can't get a majority of the delegates in the country without getting a majority of the delegates in at least 8 states. Donald Trump won't get the Nomination. The RNC is going for a brokered deal and this racist fuckhead will crawl back into obscurity along with the trailer trash human filth that supports him[/QUOTE] First off, calm down. Take a time-out. Politics can be hard and scary but you need to keep a cool head. Second, no, they won't. Trump would go independent, and in doing so not only cost the GOP the election but possibly also cause the formation of a splinter party which would be the end of the GOP. Trump represents the marginalized voice of the white, lower and working class voters who compose much of the GOP but are largely swept under the rug. He's the populist right-wing candidate who's been a long time coming, and even if he does fail he's created a rift in the GOP.

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;49939175]Yes. We should discuss it. I don't know what you don't understand about this.[/QUOTE] Im saying that allowing that discussion to take place gives legitimacy to those ideas. Those ideas are illegitimate; they have no place in western civilization. Even if we discuss them and we all answer with a resounding "no", we've poisoned our political dialogue by allowing evil opinions to become allowed opinions, and now you have an entire classification of people who believe it's okay to think that way. Donald trump has made America safer for racists. [editline]15th March 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Sobotnik;49939224]being rich isn't an excuse for being ignorant. rich people have much more privileges and luxuries than the rest of us, but they also have more responsibilities, and those responsibilities include making sure the less well off people dont get left behind (the standards are higher for them). do you at least understand that blue collar people loathe people like you, and for justifiable reasons?[/QUOTE] Yeah, I understand the issue just fine. Blue collar people have been stepped on by the Republican party for the last 20 to 30 years and are now fed up with it. Regardless of their feelings, they're wrong if their solution is to elect a far right racist who scapegoats Mexican immigrants and Muslims as the solution to their problems rather than genuine political reform.

[QUOTE=proboardslol;49939271]Those ideas are illegitimate; they have no place in western civilization.[/QUOTE] This sentiment has no place in Western civilization.