Donald Trump just hit a critical threshold for the GOP nomination, first candidate to qualify for GO - Polidicks

[QUOTE=DaMastez;49941245]Just because corruption is legal doesn't make it any better. Just because the majority of people aren't hassled to pay bribes doesn't mean this country is completely controlled by money.[/QUOTE] The country is absolutely controlled by money. We shot down all the checks on democracy that were in place. As an individual you are supposed to vote for local and state positions. Federally you were only really intended to vote for your house rep. Senators are supposed to represent the state government that you elected. The president represents the union as a whole, not the people. His job is to serve as the face of a conglomerate of states. The idea being that the people may not always vote in their best interests, and the relatively insulated senators may not always do so, but together you have a combination that will keep one another in check. It was a fairly intelligent check against itself. That way both the people and professional politicians had to agree on any piece of legislation. It kept mob rule from controlling everything and it kept political corruption from expanding unimpeded. It also ensured that the people would focus heavily ONLY on their house representative, which ultimately plays an incredibly important role in representing the people in the government.

[QUOTE=Fat White Lump;49939605]It makes you look like you don't care about your country. If you truly care about it you'll stay with it, whether you think the direction is good or bad. I could have left when Obama got his second term but I didn't, because I want to see the country made great again and I care about it.[/QUOTE] Do you really feel like that fucking man gives a shit about any of us. He would rather watch as lie dead in the fucking street while he throws a Champagne party in the white house Talking about trump here

[QUOTE=Deathtrooper2;49941523]Do you really feel like that fucking man gives a shit about any of us. He would rather watch as lie dead in the fucking street while he throws a Champagne party in the white house[/QUOTE] Sanders is the only person running who actually cares about the average American.

Trump only cares about things that would line his pocket. I can say with full confidence that he sees becoming the president of the united states as another business venture. FFS, one of his addresses was just him stroking his dick to how good his investsments were with the idiot crowd cheering to his mental masturbation.

[QUOTE=axelord157;49941776]Trump only cares about things that would line his pocket. I can say with full confidence that he sees becoming the president of the united states as another business venture. FFS, one of his addresses was just him stroking his dick to how good his investsments were with the idiot crowd cheering to his mental masturbation.[/QUOTE] if you're talking about his infomercial where he peddled his "trump water" and "trump steaks", the best part is that he lied about what half of it actually was and the other half wasn't even his

[QUOTE=Fat White Lump;49939605]It makes you look like you don't care about your country. If you truly care about it you'll stay with it, whether you think the direction is good or bad. I could have left when Obama got his second term but I didn't, because I want to see the country made great again and I care about it.[/QUOTE] And you're doing so by supporting the candidate with the worst foreign policy, the worst educational policy, and the worst stance on terrorism.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;49940653]Or maybe they were wrong on democracy? By "Poor people not voting in their own interests" do you mean black people voting for Hillary or Trump instead of Bernie? It's always people like yourself that has to be the one to govern. It's not enough that you have all of the political and economic advantages, but you have to be officially in charge too. The peons and proles don't matter since they don't have college degrees (the shame of it!) Imagine people who don't have your education, wealth, privileges, and knowledge actually having a share of the power. It's enough to make the stomach churn.[/QUOTE] Very true. Madison knew the "problem of democracy" and he and others designed the government in order to deal with it. The problem is that a democratic government will ultimately result in the mass population voting power out of the hands of the ruling class. This can be solved by 1. increasing equality so that there's no need to redistribute power or 2. decreasing democracy to retain the aristocracy. Madison chose option 2. Just read the Federalist Papers and his other writings. He's quite clear about this.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;49938653]I hope you get the government you deserve.[/QUOTE] This is also the guy who thinks the NSA is A-OK and we should give the government essentially unlimited power.

gg no re [editline]16th March 2016[/editline] i don't even fully support trump I just think all these salty comments are funny so I had to say it [highlight](User was banned for this post ("trolling" - GunFox))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=GunFox;49941171]The electoral college failed. Not the entire system. As a whole, their framework has done remarkably well for being largely experimental at the time. We listen to them because there is a surprisingly amount of elegance in how they designed each system. Are you serious suggesting the civil war was a failure of design? Every nation can be subjected to a civil war regardless of national design. [/quote] Uh the entire system did. It failed to resolve the slavery question, the ultimate result of which was a bloody civil war. The entire reason that the whole thing kicked off is directly down to how the American political system was incapable of resolving a very obvious and big problem to the point that a completely unnecessary and bloody war happened. The first century of American politics was notoriously corrupt compared to today. Politicians literally fired anybody in the civil service they pleased so they could give the position to their friends. America didn't even have merit-based qualifications to join the civil service until the end of the 19th century. [quote]The American government ranks fairly low on basically all measures of corruption. Sorry to burst your bubble, but the US government is actually far more transparent than you might believe. Early government being corrupt and the system managing to fix that corruption is a point in the system's favor. Traditionally corruption had to be removed through force.[/quote] Except the original framers weren't able to create an accountable government that truly worked in the best interests of the people. It took an entire century for somebody to actually start dismantling the shitty institutions that they left behind and introducing new ones. The modern USA wasn't truly born in 1776, but in 1883 when the civil service was reformed and a new political system began to replace the old one. The reason that corruption is so low is because Americans have been slowly throwing out tons of the bullshit that the original framers put in place. The system they created is outdated or unfeasible and it painfully shows, which is why so much has been thrown out and the America of 2016 barely resembles the America of 1776. [quote]What do you mean "wrong on democracy"? The majority of the Republican party is comprised of poor people. The Republican party, objectively, does not help poor people. Quite the opposite. Annnnnd right there you've made my point. You can fight in favor of the proletariat, and they will accuse you of doing the opposite. Nevermind that we're all members of the proletariat and that I'm fighting for my own interests as well.[/QUOTE] What gives you the authority to claim that people are incapable of voting in their own best interests?

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;49943923]What gives you the authority to claim that people are incapable of voting in their own best interests?[/QUOTE] The fact that we don't have universal healthcare yet is a good indicator of people voting against their interests. Hell, the fact that people are against universal healthcare because it'll help poor people, despite themselves not exactly being rich, is an excellent indicator.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;49946270]The fact that we don't have universal healthcare yet is a good indicator of people voting against their interests. Hell, the fact that people are against universal healthcare because it'll help poor people, despite themselves not exactly being rich, is an excellent indicator.[/QUOTE] I'm against putting a universal system in the hands of the federal system because it jeopardizes the very thing by putting the states at the mercy of the legislative branch. If it was in the hands of state where I as a state citizen have more power(especially in a democratic state with a high cost of living) I'm for it 110%. Here in NJ a few years ago our state legislative debated lowering the drinking age to 18, the problem? Federal government threatened to cut highway funding if we did. When the states rely on the federal government for anything the feds can extort them for what they want, I disagree with allowing such things to happen especially when the feds are also wasteful with our money.

[QUOTE=LtKyle2;49946377]I'm against putting a universal system in the hands of the federal system because it jeopardizes the very thing by putting the states at the mercy of the legislative branch. If it was in the hands of state where I as a state citizen have more power(especially in a democratic state with a high cost of living) I'm for it 110%. Here in NJ a few years ago our state legislative debated lowering the drinking age to 18, the problem? Federal government threatened to cut highway funding if we did. When the states rely on the federal government for anything the feds can extort them for what they want, I disagree with allowing such things to happen especially when the feds are also wasteful with our money.[/QUOTE] Fucking star to you dude. You hit the nail on the head. How long until the next "budget crisis" comes along and our healthcare is used as just another political pawn for the federal government to get what it wants from the people? I would rather not have my healthcare be used like social security and medicaid is to scare people.

[QUOTE=Silence I Kill You;49946396]Fucking star to you dude. You hit the nail on the head. How long until the next "budget crisis" comes along and our healthcare is used as just another political pawn for the federal government to get what it wants from the people? I would rather not have my healthcare be used like social security and medicaid is to scare people.[/QUOTE] you'd just rather have it as an abundantly oppressive system in terms of cost, low effectiveness, and high chance of being denied care based on hollow "pre-existing" claims? There needs to be change for americans on that field. Why do you want a harmful system?

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49946439]you'd just rather have it as an abundantly oppressive system in terms of cost, low effectiveness, and high chance of being denied care based on hollow "pre-existing" claims? There needs to be change for americans on that field. Why do you want a harmful system?[/QUOTE] You put an awful lot of words in my mouth that I didn't say. I said I don't trust our federal government to manage universal healthcare, not that I was against universal healthcare.

[QUOTE=ilikecorn;49946480]Maybe if the American people did their jobs, such a thing wouldn't be "at the mercy" of the legislative branch. [editline]16th March 2016[/editline] The only reason it's like this is because people LET THEM GET AWAY WITH IT. The president should be a bare shitblip on the radar screen of america, our congresional elections should be fucking breaking news, but they aren't. And it's not going to change until we remember that congress are the ones that fuck the system, congress are the ones who say "oh, medicare and medicaid and poor people all suck, so fuck you". You want it to change? Get pissed off, get your friends pissed off, get the country pissed off, and vote the fuckers out.[/QUOTE] You tell that to the average citizen too busy going about their day at college or working, laughing at their facebook feed and don't care about who gets into office. People are too complacent to get preoccupied with what happens in the political world. People just don't care. [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49946439]you'd just rather have it as an abundantly oppressive system in terms of cost, low effectiveness, and high chance of being denied care based on hollow "pre-existing" claims? There needs to be change for americans on that field. Why do you want a harmful system?[/QUOTE] I don't want a harmful system, I want a system that won't be used as a threat when we do something the federal government doesn't like. The ACA was a poor piece of legislation that did nothing but empower health insurers giving them freedom to raise prices because it's either get hit with the penalty or get expensive insurance.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;49946270]The fact that we don't have universal healthcare yet is a good indicator of people voting against their interests. Hell, the fact that people are against universal healthcare because it'll help poor people, despite themselves not exactly being rich, is an excellent indicator.[/QUOTE] obamacare raised peoples premiums how is it against peoples interests to vote against it exactly?

[QUOTE=LtKyle2;49946377]I'm against putting a universal system in the hands of the federal system because it jeopardizes the very thing by putting the states at the mercy of the legislative branch. If it was in the hands of state where I as a state citizen have more power(especially in a democratic state with a high cost of living) I'm for it 110%.[/QUOTE] And as far as I know, no states have shown any interest in State Healthcare either, so that leaves only the Federal Government to pave the way, or keep letting families racked with debt and people dead from curable ailments. [editline]16th March 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Sobotnik;49946685]obamacare raised peoples premiums how is it against peoples interests to vote against it exactly?[/QUOTE] I never said anything about obamacare, why are you bringing that up like it's some sort of counterpoint?

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;49946716]And as far as I know, no states have shown any interest in State Healthcare either, so that leaves only the Federal Government to pave the way, or keep letting families racked with debt and people dead from curable ailments. [editline]16th March 2016[/editline] I never said anything about obamacare, why are you bringing that up like it's some sort of counterpoint?[/QUOTE] Vermont and Colorado. Vermont democrats abandoned their plan due to the heavy taxes that would scare away small businesses and the fact they had to abide by ACA rules. Colorado is going to have a state vote this fall on single payer healthcare they plan on calling ColoradoCare.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;49946716]I never said anything about obamacare, why are you bringing that up like it's some sort of counterpoint?[/QUOTE] Because Obamacare is a rather recent (feeble) attempt to introduce some kind of general healthcare reform. Quite a few poorer people opposed it, and not for entirely unreasonable reasons.

[QUOTE=proboardslol;49938380]For those wondering what it means, it means that someone can't get a majority of the delegates in the country without getting a majority of the delegates in at least 8 states. Donald Trump won't get the Nomination. The RNC is going for a brokered deal and this racist fuckhead will crawl back into obscurity along with the trailer trash human filth that supports him[/QUOTE] Out of curiosity, can someone post some legit evidence of Trump being actually racist?

[QUOTE=proboardslol;49938544] these blue collar pieces of shit will fade back into the unemployment line where they and their 20th century mentalities belong [/QUOTE] What the fuck lol?

[QUOTE=srobins;49946852]Out of curiosity, can someone post some legit evidence of Trump being actually racist?[/QUOTE] His announcement speech claiming that illegal aliens are rapists and murderers, but maybe some of them aren't I'm not sure racism really fits him though, in general he has a massive superiority complex so everyone is scum to him, even his voters because he claims he could go commit murder and people would still vote for him, which if that doesn't scream "hey youre all so stupid for voting for me" then I don't know what does

[QUOTE=Sableye;49948152]His announcement speech claiming that illegal aliens are rapists and murderers, but maybe some of them aren't I'm not sure racism really fits him though, in general he has a massive superiority complex so everyone is scum to him, even his voters because he claims he could go commit murder and people would still vote for him, which if that doesn't scream "hey youre all so stupid for voting for me" then I don't know what does[/QUOTE] Honestly I think that's really weak grounds to label someone as an actual racist.. Really stupid and ignorant? Yeah, but I don't think it means the literally hates Hispanics lol, he was just saying that having an open border makes it possible for criminals to come over here, and that does in fact happen. Not nearly as much as he wants his voters to believe, but you get my point.

[QUOTE=srobins;49948168]Honestly I think that's really weak grounds to label someone as an actual racist.. Really stupid and ignorant? Yeah, but I don't think it means the literally hates Hispanics lol, he was just saying that having an open border makes it possible for criminals to come over here, and that does in fact happen. Not nearly as much as he wants his voters to believe, but you get my point.[/QUOTE] I think he's mostly just a "Grandpa said something awkward at dinner" sort of racist at worst. However, I think he has no problem with taking advantage of racism in others.

[QUOTE=Mingebox;49948247]I think he's mostly just a "Grandpa said something awkward at dinner" sort of racist at worst. However, I think he has no problem with taking advantage of racism in others.[/QUOTE] I mean, this is basically what a lot of Republicans candidates do, though they play this closet racist card under the guise of needing to be politically correct whereas Trump has gone with a more blunt approach. The GOP created a monster they couldn't control.

[QUOTE=DaMastez;49948277]I mean, this is basically what a lot of Republicans candidates do, though they play this closet racist card under the guise of needing to be politically correct whereas Trump has gone with a more blunt approach. The GOP created a monster they couldn't control.[/QUOTE] Ever seen The Forbidden Planet? Trump is like their monster from the Id.

[QUOTE=DaMastez;49948277]I mean, this is basically what a lot of Republicans candidates do, though they play this closet racist card under the guise of needing to be politically correct whereas Trump has gone with a more blunt approach. The GOP created a monster they couldn't control.[/QUOTE] its not PC to treat fellow human beings as human beings instead of consistently claim they are scum and garbage

[QUOTE=srobins;49946852]Out of curiosity, can someone post some legit evidence of Trump being actually racist?[/QUOTE] A few days ago he claimed that "Islam hates us" and he's been purposely vague on clarifying exactly what he meant. He's chosen not to make a distinction between extremists and the peaceful majority of muslims, or even acknowledged there's a difference. That sounds pretty bigoted to me. [editline]17th March 2016[/editline] At the very least it's a blanket statement to incite Islamophobia and appeal to that mindset, but he's dodging detail so he can still look good to people who just want IS dealt with.

[QUOTE=Bread_Baron;49948401]A few days ago he claimed that "Islam hates us" and he's been purposely vague on clarifying exactly what he meant. He's chosen not to make a distinction between extremists and the peaceful majority of muslims, or even acknowledged there's a difference. That sounds pretty bigoted to me. [editline]17th March 2016[/editline] At the very least it's a blanket statement to incite Islamophobia and appeal to that mindset, but he's dodging detail so he can still look good to people who just want IS dealt with.[/QUOTE] Even though popular culture seems to equate Islamophobia with flat out racism, I don't think it's racist. Super ignorant, but not really racist. Islam does have a lot of tenets and beliefs that are in stark contrast to Western culture, so he's not even entirely wrong there. The ideology itself isn't very Western from what I've seen.