[QUOTE=TheDrunkenOne;51156111]i'm sorry but i can only read bfr as "big fucking rocket" in reference to doom's bfg
[editline]5th October 2016[/editline]
which would be appropriate[/QUOTE]
that's what it stands for
[quote]Previously the launch vehicle was known informally as the BFR, a name coined by Musk personally in reference to the BFG 9000 from the 1993 video game Doom.[/quote]
Speaking of Blue Origin:
[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqUIX3Z4r3k[/media]
They just did an in-flight abort test.
Seriously though, while competition seems like a good idea, considering the ridiculously huge price that Elon talked about, why aren't we all just working on one huge awesome rocket instead?
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;51156124]that's what it stands for[/QUOTE]
holy shit thats cool
[QUOTE=Zenreon117;51156217]Seriously though, while competition seems like a good idea, considering the ridiculously huge price that Elon talked about, why aren't we all just working on one huge awesome rocket instead?[/QUOTE]
Collaboration isn't going to work as well when you have several companies working on entirely different rockets each company with their own workflow.
Its not like cars were there are already some set standards like CAN bus, ABS, etc. (Well I guess there is for the electronics like SpaceWire & MIL-STD-1750A).
We're not quite at the point where we can assemble a rocket with multiple parts from different companies using a universal set of standards.
[QUOTE=OvB;51156152]Speaking of Blue Origin:
They just did an in-flight abort test.[/QUOTE]
I was hoping to catch this, I thought they deferred the launch because of the extreme low-pressure system.
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That was marvelous!
Was that seriously the fifth relaunch?!
I wish that Bezos would start prodding into the LEO market.
Blue Origin has been poaching people from University of Washington's A&A division like mad, including a ton of propulsion duders. I never could understand why, but then they unveiled the New Shepherd and it all made sense.
The fact that the commercial space industry is taking off makes me so. goddamn. excited. I was positive my only career choices were going to be government labs or the big ol aero companies, when it comes to rocket propulsion. But no more :D
[QUOTE=paindoc;51156352]Blue Origin has been poaching people from University of Washington's A&A division like mad, including a ton of propulsion duders. I never could understand why, but then they unveiled the New Shepherd and it all made sense.
The fact that the commercial space industry is taking off makes me so. goddamn. excited. I was positive my only career choices were going to be government labs or the big ol aero companies, when it comes to rocket propulsion. But no more :D[/QUOTE]
What do you study in regards to aerospace, if I may ask?
Fucking rights, this is what I want to see.
Space race 2.0: Commercialization
[QUOTE=Bradyns;51156375]What do you study in regards to aerospace, if I may ask?[/QUOTE]
Heh, as of this morning I actually dropped most of my classes (applied physics) so I could have more time to work at my job and retake courses I need to raise my GPA (so I can reapply to the A&A dept, which I got rejected from). Hell, I'm probably transferring to a community college in the interrim. I'm only a Junior, credit wise, and haven't had the chance to take any aero classes. I got hired as a NASA Space Grant consortium intern, meaning I work for a private company in the aero industry but NASA also gave me $2500 of untaxable grant money woop
Currently, I'm beginning a NASA STTR proposal document for [I]"Detailed Multiphysics Propulsion Modelling and Simulation through Coordinated Massively Parallel Frameworks"[/I], or to put it in English, simulating rocket propulsion and gas dynamics using GPU computing and voxel modelling techniques, and I'm thinking the wonders of adaptive grid sizing will be vital here. I need to speak to the professor I'm hoping to consult with more before I can develop more of this document, and submissions don't open until November still (and I have until February to submit).
Unfortunately, STTR means if I win (very slim chance) I must give 35% of the funding to a national research university. Like UW. Which rejected me from the A&A dept and has screwed me every which way it can. Yayyyyyyy. SBIR means I could've had my boss negotiate better terms for the professor I want to work with too, but in the case of an STTR everyone walks away a little bit pissed off.
[QUOTE=HybridTheroy;51156396]Fucking rights, this is what I want to see.
Space race 2.0: Commercialization[/QUOTE]
I for one can't wait for the new Space Race™ to Mars™ and finally seize some property on The Red Planet™ and start the first space McDonald's™ there.
[QUOTE=EdvardSchnitz;51157544]I for one can't wait for the new Space Race™ to Mars™ and finally seize some property on The Red Planet™ and start the first space McDonald's™ there.[/QUOTE]
You joke but there's not a McDonald's nearby my campus and it sucks. I can't imagine being a billion miles away. Suicide may be a preferable alternative
Cold war Part 2
Corporate Edition
Competition inspires innovation, good.
[QUOTE=Grenadiac;51156124]that's what it stands for[/QUOTE]
Big Falcon Rocket*
[QUOTE=Bradyns;51154697]That would be a very expensive beer.
I wonder if Mars would be a dry colony?[/QUOTE]
With all of the specialized technology and expertise probably required to operate anything we put on Mars, I would not be surprised if this is the case.
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Imagine the kind of wonderful socially-conservative evangelical wasteland of a paradise Mars could become.
[QUOTE=Chonch;51157874]With all of the specialized technology and expertise probably required to operate anything we put on Mars, I would not be surprised if this is the case.[/QUOTE]
Excitement for a Mars colony dashed.
[QUOTE=nuttyboffin;51157741]Big Falcon Rocket*[/QUOTE]
That would be the public/formal name since I'm sure you can't headline "Big Fucking Rocket".
Although I'd much prefer a public space, if governments won't do it, companies will have to do
[QUOTE=OvB;51156092]The ULA has to lay off 875 people because they can't force a monopoly anymore. They've also had to dismiss executives that have been public about the ULAs inability to compete with SpaceX and others. [url]http://fortune.com/2016/03/17/ula-exec-admits-company-cant-compete/[/url]
They're in a bind. Not to mention the Vulcan's engine-only reusability is a joke. It's like after they realized they could no longer ignore what SpaceX has been doing for the past 10 years so they had to come up with something new to please their congress friends but still missed the point entirely. At least Blue Origin is competing directly with SpaceX with New Glenn.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/dBmXjke.png[/img]
Vulcan will be outdated before it flies. Upcoming rockets from both SpaceX and Blue Origin will be beating ULA and NASA rockets in payload to orbit and cost. The SLS will be too expensive to effectively use.
I just wish these old dogs would quit pussyfooting around and put some effort into it.[/QUOTE]
Somewhere within the executive lockers of Boeing, Lockheed Martin, et all, they have more capacity to push us forward than Elon Musk could ever have a wet dream about. We went from 'strapping crazy USAF test pilots to ICBMs' to 'Walkin' on the freakin' moon suck it Soviet Union' in...what...eight years? Nine? That knowledge, that expertise, that design talent hasn't gone anywhere. It just needs the right nudge to re-awaken it. Perhaps this is that nudge's wake?
[QUOTE=TestECull;51158351]Somewhere within the executive lockers of Boeing, Lockheed Martin, et all, they have more capacity to push us forward than Elon Musk could ever have a wet dream about. We went from 'strapping crazy USAF test pilots to ICBMs' to 'Walkin' on the freakin' moon suck it Soviet Union' in...what...eight years? Nine? That knowledge, that expertise, that design talent hasn't gone anywhere. It just needs the right nudge to re-awaken it. Perhaps this is that nudge's wake?[/QUOTE]
It would have to be funded by the government (basically the SLS which is built by the old space industry) or be profitable for LockMart and Friends to do it on their own. SpaceX's Mars project is extremely risky since it's basically banking on the idea that people are going to be willing to pay to go to Mars when there's no real economic gain to do it. Mars is going to require a huge initial cost to get things going. Money that you probably won't see again.
You're basically hoping that enough people would be willing to go for the hell of it, plus enough governments/orgs/institutes willing to pay for science missions, and then hope that enough people and science go to Mars that it will require continuous indefinite flights there to support them. If SpaceX builds this rocket and no one wants to use it, it's going to be financially catastrophic to them.
[QUOTE=OvB;51158975]It would have to be funded by the government (basically the SLS which is built by the old space industry) or be profitable for LockMart and Friends to do it on their own. SpaceX's Mars project is extremely risky since it's basically banking on the idea that people are going to be willing to pay to go to Mars when there's no real economic gain to do it. Mars is going to require a huge initial cost to get things going. Money that you probably won't see again.
You're basically hoping that enough people would be willing to go for the hell of it, plus enough governments/orgs/institutes willing to pay for science missions, and then hope that enough people and science go to Mars that it will require continuous indefinite flights there to support them. If SpaceX builds this rocket and no one wants to use it, it's going to be financially catastrophic to them.[/QUOTE]
aren't they still in the process of figuring out how to do a return trip from mars? i can't imagine a lot of people will go for shits n gigs unless they have a way of returning to earth. this still requires that the first few flights be permanent for the purpose of setting up a colony, which brings a whole bottle of other shit with it as well.
[QUOTE=Chonch;51157874]
Imagine the kind of wonderful socially-conservative evangelical wasteland of a paradise Mars could become.[/QUOTE]
this made me realize, fuck mars you guys can go wild over there, have you seen that place?
[t]http://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/thumbnails/image/pia18614-main_sol3786b_l257atc.jpg[/t]
[I]such luscious landscapes[/I]
[editline]6th October 2016[/editline]
i'm picturing expansive industrial areas and city blocks and all sortsa shit like that while earth becomes looked at as the fruity exotic planet
[QUOTE=Pops;51159015]aren't they still in the process of figuring out how to do a return trip from mars? i can't imagine a lot of people will go for shits n gigs unless they have a way of returning to earth. this still requires that the first few flights be permanent for the purpose of setting up a colony, which brings a whole bottle of other shit with it as well.[/QUOTE]
They will need to set up a fuel depot to make liquid Methane and Oxygen which is the fuel that most new rockets will be using. The SpaceX ship shouldn't have a problem returning if you can make the fuel.
[QUOTE=proboardslol;51157580]You joke but there's not a McDonald's nearby my campus and it sucks. I can't imagine being a billion miles away. Suicide may be a preferable alternative[/QUOTE]
There's no fast food restaurant [I]at all[/I] anywhere near where I live.
I'd have to travel like 4 hours with bus to reach the nearest one.
[QUOTE]Costs will need to drop substantially before these experimental spacecraft can be seriously considered for commercial use, Muilenburg said.
“That business model isn’t closed yet. At some point it will,” he said. “The future of innovation has to include not only the technology, but economic viability.”[/QUOTE]
Basically oh yeah we'll get to it when there's economic incentives and we don't think SpaceX can do it without that.
[QUOTE=Bradyns;51154697]That would be a very expensive beer.
I wonder if Mars would be a dry colony?[/QUOTE]
Lol the Russians will smuggle Vodka there and crack it open when they land
[QUOTE=TestECull;51158351]That knowledge, that expertise, that design talent hasn't gone anywhere. [/QUOTE]
I mean, it totally has. Institutional knowledge and expertise absolutely degrades when not in use as the workforce who composes it retires off and dies, and the company focuses on differently-scoped pursuits. It'd be a rebuilding, if anything.
[QUOTE=OvB;51158975]It would have to be funded by the government (basically the SLS which is built by the old space industry) or be profitable for LockMart and Friends to do it on their own. SpaceX's Mars project is extremely risky since it's basically banking on the idea that people are going to be willing to pay to go to Mars when there's no real economic gain to do it. Mars is going to require a huge initial cost to get things going. Money that you probably won't see again.
You're basically hoping that enough people would be willing to go for the hell of it, plus enough governments/orgs/institutes willing to pay for science missions, and then hope that enough people and science go to Mars that it will require continuous indefinite flights there to support them. If SpaceX builds this rocket and no one wants to use it, it's going to be financially catastrophic to them.[/QUOTE]
Basically this. These large firms rely on government contracting for a lot of their money. NASA subcontracting tends to be a very good thing, but their small budget means they won't be making the strides Blue Origin and SpaceX are making. Our incredible pace of technological development leading to the moon landing was because of a high amount of government investment in that field
[QUOTE=OvB;51158975]It would have to be funded by the government (basically the SLS which is built by the old space industry) or be profitable for LockMart and Friends to do it on their own. SpaceX's Mars project is extremely risky since it's basically banking on the idea that people are going to be willing to pay to go to Mars when there's no real economic gain to do it. Mars is going to require a huge initial cost to get things going. Money that you probably won't see again.
You're basically hoping that enough people would be willing to go for the hell of it, plus enough governments/orgs/institutes willing to pay for science missions, and then hope that enough people and science go to Mars that it will require continuous indefinite flights there to support them. If SpaceX builds this rocket and no one wants to use it, it's going to be financially catastrophic to them.[/QUOTE]
its really amazing that mars colonization is even being considered in the confines of a capitalist economy. that money isnt ever going to come back to earth in our lifetimes. eventually, someday the advances in technology, medicines and infastructure might boost our economy but in terms of material products to return to earth, theres nothing there that we dont have here for half the price. maybe ironically the one product they could concievably ship is software from mars since you have a large very educated base of people with very little else to do in one confined space.
mars could become the india of space in terms of IT, though the applications are extremely limited as they have only so much bandwidth between the planets
[QUOTE=Sableye;51161052]its really amazing that mars colonization is even being considered in the confines of a capitalist economy. that money isnt ever going to come back to earth in our lifetimes. eventually, someday the advances in technology, medicines and infastructure might boost our economy but in terms of material products to return to earth, theres nothing there that we dont have here for half the price. maybe ironically the one product they could concievably ship is software from mars since you have a large very educated base of people with very little else to do in one confined space.
mars could become the india of space in terms of IT, though the applications are extremely limited as they have only so much bandwidth between the planets[/QUOTE]
It makes sense in a capitalist economy because the profits are still being made by companies on Earth. SpaceX will get paid USD to send shit to Mars with their rocket. Companies that have operations on Mars will be HQ'd on Earth and make their profits here, etc. Once Mars is big enough to be self sustained, it will still be capitalistic. The focus would have just pivoted to Mars based company's doing work on Mars. Especially with todays use of electronic money transfer.
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