Whitehouse.gov Responds to Petition to Legalize Marijuana - Polidicks

Doesn't smoking regular cigarettes cause the same problems?

[QUOTE=Rhinovirus;33016986]According to scientists at the National Institutes of Health- the world's largest source of drug abuse research - ALCOHOL use is associated with addiction, liver disease, and cognitive impairment. We know from an array of treatment admission information and Federal data that ALCOHOL use is a significant source for voluntary drug treatment admissions and visits to emergency rooms. Studies also reveal that ALCOHOL potency has almost tripled over the past 20 years, raising serious concerns about what this means for public health – especially among young people who use the drug because research shows their brains continue to develop well into their 20's. Simply put, it is not a benign drug.[/QUOTE]I would just love to see the look on the person who responds face if they read this.

[QUOTE=Octave;33019024]But why unban a substance with similar negative effects? It's just adding one more dangerous substance to the world.[/QUOTE] How about [i][u][b]freedom[/b][/u][/i]? Demand? "Adding one more substance to the world" implies that people aren't doing and won't do it because it's illegal. It cannot be stopped, people will always do it, and people will always find ways to meet the demand and make a profit. There's an article in the news about a new drug in Russia, that junkies are cooking up because the price of their drug of choice is too high due to law enforcement cracking down on supply. It literally rots the users' flesh over time. The point is that people are going to get their kicks, and if you deny them one way, they'll find another. Alleviating the cost to tax payers funding the failed "war on drugs", especially the ones who don't support it, thereby freeing up law enforcement to focus on actual crime, since dealers would no longer have a place in it all, and redirecting the tax money from marijuana towards more useful things. Keeping contributing members of society out of prison with a clean record simply because they choose to enjoy putting a certain substance in their body when others are free to use and abuse other substances that are much more dangerous.

[QUOTE=GodKing;33019233]How about [i][u][b]freedom[/b][/u][/i]? Demand? "Adding one more substance to the world" implies that people aren't doing and won't do it because it's illegal. It cannot be stopped, people will always do it, and people will always find ways to meet the demand and make a profit. Alleviating the cost to tax payers funding the failed "war on drugs", especially the ones who don't support it, thereby freeing up law enforcement to focus on actual crime, since dealers would no longer have a place in it all, and redirecting the tax money from marijuana towards more useful things. Keeping contributing members of society out of prison with a clean record simply because they choose to enjoy putting a certain substance in their body when others are free to use and abuse other substances that are much more dangerous.[/QUOTE]You failed to read the rest of my post. How do you know for sure that dealers will no longer have a place in it?

[QUOTE=Octave;33019254]You failed to read the rest of my post. How do you know for sure that dealers will no longer have a place in it?[/QUOTE] I didn't fail to read the rest of your post, I simply responded to part of it. The reason is because the market will be saturated with product, meeting demand. You don't see people going to people's basements to get their drink on like they did during prohibition, they go to the store.

[QUOTE=GodKing;33019286]I didn't fail to read the rest of your post, I simply responded to part of it. The reason is because the market will be saturated with product, meeting demand. You don't see people going to people's basement's to get their drink on like they did during prohibition, they go to the store.[/QUOTE]But what about underage users?

[QUOTE=Octave;33019317]But what about underage users?[/QUOTE] What about them? They're using underage now already. Impose a responsible age limit, like 19 or 21 like in Canada or the U.S., in regards to alcohol and tobacco. Can't stop underage usage.

[QUOTE=TehWhale;33017003]We also recognize that legalizing marijuana would not provide the answer to any of the health, social, youth education, criminal justice, and community quality of life challenges associated with drug use. [b]wrong[/b][/QUOTE] [B]Right[/B] :eng101: For all of those that think legalizing will solve so many problems. It ain't no miracle solution. There are still tons of issues that come with it. I'm for legalizing, but I can see their stance of being careful with it.

[QUOTE=GodKing;33019331]What about them? They're using underage now already. Impose a responsible age limit, like 19 or 21 like in Canada or the U.S., in regards to alcohol and tobacco.[/QUOTE]Right, they'd still be going to dealers presumably, so there would in fact be a market for dealers... I'm fucking tired, my posts are becoming shorter, I'm going to bed for now.

[QUOTE=Octave;33019349]Right, they'd still be going to dealers presumably, so there would in fact be a market for dealers... I'm fucking tired, my posts are becoming shorter, I'm going to bed for now.[/QUOTE] What difference does it make? They'll have to go there either way. At least this way, kids can choose to have people buy it for them from legal sources like they do alcohol. I don't see why dealers would even bother considering a large chunk of the market is now gone. Bust them for selling to kids the same way you bust people for selling booze and smokes to 'em.

If weed were legal, people would be stoned all the time. It's a fact. No boss wants their employees coming in stoned all the time, especially if the job has very dangerous work. I'm not against weed though, I just think that we're doing fine right now. People are still able to grow and sell it, and people are still able to smoke it.

[QUOTE=Sparkwire;33017060]Drano, among other things, will kill you faster than either of those things, but you can buy it at your local grocery store. Shouldn't it be illegal or something?[/QUOTE]Read your bottle of Drano carefully: on any part of that bottle, does it say that Drano is safe (or even relatively safe) to consume? Pretty sure it says quite the opposite. I don't think legalizing marajuana is going to be as cool as everyone thinks it is, but seriously, it really isn't any more dangerous than alcohol (when consumed in the same way of course, aka small, infrequent doses). Also stop kidding yourself governments of the world, the medical uses are pretty fucking obvious and there is no other drug that can do what it does with so few side effects.

Dear current regime, I don't give a fuck how dangerous it is to me and it's not your fucking concern. When it involves people's harming OTHER people is when it becomes your concern.

[QUOTE=JohnnyMo1;33019547]Dear current regime, I don't give a fuck how dangerous it is to me and it's not your fucking concern. When it involves people's harming OTHER people is when it becomes your concern.[/QUOTE] Then why is suicide illegal?

[QUOTE=Lol-Nade;33019424]If weed were legal, people would be stoned all the time. It's a fact. No boss wants their employees coming in stoned all the time, especially if the job has very dangerous work. I'm not against weed though, I just think that we're doing fine right now. People are still able to grow and sell it, and people are still able to smoke it.[/QUOTE]But it would be like alcohol. People don't want drunks coming into work and it's obvious just like alcohol. They smell, eyes are read, just act way different than they are usually. If it were to become legal, people would only do it on a day off from work or at night time, just like how drinking usually goes for people.

My $0.02 I think they don't want to legalize it because it's too easy to produce and they can't really tax it. If people want it, they could just grow it themselves, right? That's where the problem is for the Government; they want to make money off of it, and probably are desperately searching for a way to tax it efficiently right now. That's the difference between weed and alcohol, after all. One you can just plant a seed and bang, there's your weed, as long as it doesn't die or something. The other is an exact science that could kill you if you don't research how to brew it properly. (Although I don't really know, I just know it's a little harder to make drinkable Alcohol than it is to grow weed.) ... I guess, anyway. I dunno. I don't care if they legalize it, really. People still smoke it all the time.

[QUOTE=Stormcharger;33017551]Yes it does.[/QUOTE] Despite what you quoted above I'm pretty certain that the positive effects of alcohol on the human body when it's taken in low to moderate quantities by far outweigh the negative effects. In moderate doses realistically the only problem you're gonna see eventually is liver cancer (and even then, if you don't abuse it the likelihood of you getting liver cancer shouldn't be too high, either). I mean look at this image on the same wikipedia page you linked: [img_thumb]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/34/Possible_long-term_effects_of_ethanol.svg[/img_thumb] Considering the ONLY things in the 'both small and large consumption' box are GREEN (or good) things, then I'd say alcohol in pretty small quantities seems like a safe bet.

[QUOTE=Hidole555;33019638]Then why is suicide illegal?[/QUOTE] Because it harms others emotionally, mentally and financially. Actually, I don't know the real reason but that follows the same idea. [editline]29th October 2011[/editline] By the way, those of you saying that it shouldn't be legal because it's harmful, have you not seen those pharmaceutical commercials where literally half the ad is reading off a list of side effects that are worse than the problem you're taking the drug for in the first place? Read these side-effects from a mass produced, legal drug: [release][u]Cialis[/u]: Permanent, partial blindness [u]Enbrel[/u]: Serious infections, [b]fatal blood disorders[/b], cancer [u]Celebrex[/u]: [b][i]Death[/i][/b], gastrointestinal hemorrhages, stomach bleeding, cardiovascular problems, kidney and liver damage, ulcers, indigestion, diarrhea, abdominal pain, allergic reactions [u]Paxil[/u]: Suicide (used to treat depression, lmfao)[/release] Let's not forget that a lot of prescription drugs are addictive and actually statistically cause more direct deaths than marijuana has ever been proven to cause (read: 0).

[QUOTE=Hidole555;33019638]Then why is suicide illegal?[/QUOTE] shouldn't be illegal either but that's a different debate

[QUOTE=Hidole555;33018389]The reason its stronger now isn't because of some breakthrough growing technique, it's because it is combined with other, more harmful, substances to provide a stronger high.[/QUOTE] lol not at all

I'm all for marijuana being legal as long as they put an age limit on it and make it abide by the no-smoking areas policy like cigarettes. also pot is ba d 4 u my dAER offucur's brothr died from takin 3 weeds

[QUOTE=milkandcooki;33020147]I'm all for marijuana being legal as long as they put an age limit on it and make it abide by the no-smoking areas policy like cigarettes. also pot is ba d 4 u my dAER offucur's brothr died from takin 3 weeds[/QUOTE] I smoked weed and killed my dog just by looking at him.

What are drugs and alcohol? Dohohoho shitty country. That aside, how do you regulate strengths when considering safety implications? Would you have a "legal limit" to drive? Could I smoke at work? It's pretty hard to quantify, even though it can help you focus. I wouldn't even know where to begin with an issue like that.

[QUOTE=TheHypnotoad;33020267]What are drugs and alcohol? Dohohoho shitty country. That aside, how do you regulate strengths when considering safety implications? Would you have a "legal limit" to drive? Could I smoke at work? It's pretty hard to quantify, even though it can help you focus. I wouldn't even know where to begin with an issue like that.[/QUOTE] Not really, you can be charged with drugged driving over here.

[QUOTE=Stormcharger;33020358]Not really, you can be charged with drugged driving over here.[/QUOTE] As you should be. DUI.

[QUOTE=GodKing;33019857]Because it harms others emotionally, mentally and financially. Actually, I don't know the real reason but that follows the same idea. [editline]29th October 2011[/editline] By the way, those of you saying that it shouldn't be legal because it's harmful, have you not seen those pharmaceutical commercials where literally half the ad is reading off a list of side effects that are worse than the problem you're taking the drug for in the first place? Read these side-effects from a mass produced, legal drug: [release][u]Cialis[/u]: Permanent, partial blindness [u]Enbrel[/u]: Serious infections, [b]fatal blood disorders[/b], cancer [u]Celebrex[/u]: [b][i]Death[/i][/b], gastrointestinal hemorrhages, stomach bleeding, cardiovascular problems, kidney and liver damage, ulcers, indigestion, diarrhea, abdominal pain, allergic reactions [u]Paxil[/u]: Suicide (used to treat depression, lmfao)[/release] Let's not forget that a lot of prescription drugs are addictive and actually statistically cause more direct deaths than marijuana has ever been proven to cause (read: 0).[/QUOTE] Celebrex can apparently cause rare (or it wouldn't be used) stroke or heart attack events in those already predisposed, this has also been shown as probably true for marijuana. [url=http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/103/23/2805.full]Triggering Myocardial Infarction by Marijuana.[/url] [url=http://pmj.bmj.com/content/85/1000/80.abstract]Cannabis and stroke: is there a link?[/url] You shouldn't bring up the '0 deaths' thing at all (since it's a myth) and certainly not if your going to compare it to prescription drugs which are held to a incredibly high standard in this area.

[QUOTE=GodKing;33020361]As you should be. DUI.[/QUOTE] Whats the test list for identifying a DUI in the US? Considering if all they have to go on is smell (It's pretty distictive) Walk the line, count backwards in primes, sing the alphabet? I reckon I could do most of those whilst under influence but then lets say, lack concentration for driving.

What a shitfest that spewed here On the first post even While the response is made on accurate facts - its not fully healthy, their exaggregating it a bit As far as all research I have read, marijuana isnt worse than alcohol

[QUOTE=Hidole555;33019638]Then why is suicide illegal?[/QUOTE] It's partly so authorities can seize the body to perform an investigation to make sure the person wasn't coerced into suicide/other foul play and partly because laws are stupid [editline]29th October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=TheHypnotoad;33020439]Whats the test list for identifying a DUI in the US? Considering if all they have to go on is smell (It's pretty distictive) Walk the line, count backwards in primes, sing the alphabet?[/QUOTE] Breathalyzer for roadside testing, but to get a conviction they need a blood test (which will be done if you fail the breath test)

[QUOTE=AngryChairR;33017225]Good. There's all too much evidence proving marijuana is incredibly unhealthy and dangerous. I know first hand that people using it sound, look and act like zombies.[/QUOTE] You mean Marijuana slows you down when smoked ? BREAKING NEWS !