Whitehouse.gov Responds to Petition to Legalize Marijuana - Polidicks

[QUOTE=TheHypnotoad;33020439]Whats the test list for identifying a DUI in the US? Considering if all they have to go on is smell (It's pretty distictive) Walk the line, count backwards in primes, sing the alphabet? I reckon I could do most of those whilst under influence but then lets say, lack concentration for driving.[/QUOTE] In New Zealand if they suspect you are high or something, ie you have red eyes, are giggly etc they will make you have a blood test. No walking the line or any of that jazz.

[QUOTE=Stormcharger;33020633]In New Zealand if they suspect you are high or something, ie you have red eyes, are giggly etc they will make you have a blood test. No walking the line or any of that jazz.[/QUOTE]Pretty easy to get away with it in America. You just say you have bad allergies. They can't just give you a urine test for weed there. They might have you walk in a line but nothing past that. I drove high every single day. Easiest shit to do.

/cry Why...

It's amusing to watch when these threads spring up - So many different views and opinions clashing. It starts with the supporters, then the one's against it shows up, and then the fanatical haters. However, I'd also like to join in, so here's my two cents: [B](Warning, Massive post incoming.)[/B] Marijuana, or Cannabis Sativa to use it's Latin name, is a plant that's been growing for hundreds and thousands of years, and used by mankind during those years. It's been grown, cultivated into more potent/better yielding crops, for different items, such as hemp rope, clothing, paper, etc. In other words, Cannabis was seen, back then, as something you would relax with. It's only in newer times it's been deemed as something "horrible, that gives you a psychosis the second you inhale." On that point aswell, I'd like to add the fact that people that smoke Marijuana usually develop psychosis, is because they already have psychotic ailments hiding in their debths. Now, for some chemistry: The main chemicals in Marijuana are THC (TetraHydraCannabinol) and CBD (Cannabidiol), and are the ones that produce the known "Stoned" (THC) or "High" (CBD). Now, let's crank up the science lesson a bit. THC is a chemical that, when it binds with your brain, causes your brain to release small amounts of dopamine, giving you the feeling of relaxation, and making you act "like a zombie". However, THC is also mildly psychotic, allowing mental diseases to easily surface, even one's that would, if the person hadn't smoked cannabis, never surface. But I emphasize, the person has to have some form of mental problem, hidden or not. (Protip - It's probably a very bad idea to smoke with a serial killer.. He has, without a doubt, suffered a psychsis, cannabis smoker or not :v:) Now, a funny sidefact about THC is: It's sunblock. No, it wasn't developed by the plant specifically for humans so we could get stoned (Animals can get baked too, remember?). However, enter CBD. CBD is the chemical which is at it's highest (no pun intended) in pot and skunk, and gives you that "Haha, I'm so fucking high bro" feeling that it's rightfully known for. Now, I mentioned THC was mildly psychotic right? Yeah, CBD is anti-psychotic. (Some might say stoners dance on the fine line of sanity and insanity everytime they're stoned :o:. I'll leave you to decide.) Now, I'm no expert, and I would gladly tell you just exactly how it accomplishes being a psychotic and anti-psychotic agent at the same time, but I can't. However, CBD's secondary objective is assisting the cannabinoids produced naturally in our bodies in eliminating free radicals (Look at it as toxic waste from cell processes (creating energy, replication, etc) and killing off elderly cells, as they have a high risk of developing cancer, and telling the younger, fresh cells to double time in cell replication to make up for the lost ancients that's been killed off. Now, seeing as you've become a bit smarter regarding Cannabis (Do feel free to correct me if you think I'm wrong however, but biased shit will be disregarded.) Now, let's look at what Cannabis is currently scheduled to be researched on: [B]Cancer [/B](All forms) [B]HIV/Aids[/B] (Gives them the munchies back) [B]Pain[/B] (Dopamines block pain receptors, etc) [B]Eating disorders[/B] (Munchies :v:) [B]Depression[/B] (CBD is also an anti-depressive apparently..) [B]Blood and occular pressure[/B] (Regulates body pressure very efficiently.) And in some, [B][I]rare[/I][/B], cases: [B]Psychosis.[/B] (Remember CBD?) Also, I'd like to mention: The harmful part of Cannabis? Smoke. Smoke doesn't belong in your lungs. Even if it's smoked laced with THC and CBD. Smoke just doesn't belong in your lungs, and will fuck them up every so horribly by tearing the small capillar veins apart. Period. Oh, and just as a small note, you can't overdose on THC nor CBD. If you tried, you'd have to smoke 1000 joints in a matter of about an hour, which is humanly impossible, and even then you wouldn't die of THC or CBD overdose. You'd die of an CO2 overdose. Asphyxiation. Lovely :D Alcohol, on the other hand, has also been used for a lot of things, right from a ritual drink, to being a vital part of the human nutrition (See Copenhagen, Denmark in it's early days of industrialising.) However, ethanol (Yes, that's the chemical name for alcohol, the shit you drink), is actually a nervepoison. And I will admit in smaller amounts it can "beneficial" to the body as it won't harm it too much that it can't recover easily, and it will be stronger from that encounter. And, drinking can be great fun, and allow even the nerdiest of nerds to become the biggest pimp-ass-player in the room and pick up every girl (Or atleast, that's how they think.) It also allows you to shake off "the shackles of everyday" and push the ceiling. But, even so, I still come back to the same thing every time: Too much, and you die. I also can't start on the amount of shit people have gotten into because they were "just a tiny bit too drunk". But even so, in modest amounts it can make a good night seem fantastic, even godlike. Now, back to topic: Should it be legalized? What if someone abuses it? How can the government earn something from it? I'll leave you to decide for yourself, however, here are my comments: Should it be legalized? Yes, it would allow a lot of people who smoke it daily to relax to feel even more relaxed, knowing that the joint they're smoking is legal, and won't end them with a fine, or possibly jailtime. Not to mention the commercial value of the plant. It's organic material - Converting it into bio-ethanol for fuel is a possibility. It can be used for paper - A lot of tree's would be spared, allowing nature to regain a foothold and start regrowing natural forests. Etc. What if someone abuses it? There will always be those that abuse a substance. Hell, I know people who "abuse" coca-cola. Should we ban cola because of that? No, of course not. We should instead allow people to dictate their own life - and consequently, their death. And through that, which objects, liquids and chemicals we ingest. How can the government earn from it? Introduce a non-toxic chemical that will follow the plant generation after generation as a control chemical. Government grown marijuana would contain the chemical, and thus, would be bought with tax and everything. But non-taxed weed would still be illegal, and carry a fine. Now, I hope you don't read all of this and just go: "lol no" and spew bullshit. Please, take your time to formulate a rational response. However, I leave you with a last question: The next time you put Marijuana and Alcohol next to eachother, ask yourself: Which is the worst? [B]Thank you for your time and I hope you had a good read, along with gaining a slightly better understanding at Cannabis.[/B] [B][U]It's far from, and never will be, God's gift to humanity. But it's also far from as horrible as the governments make it out to be.[/U][/B] "[B]It's a plant, it just grows like that.. And if you should happen to set it on fire... There are some effects..[/B]" - Catt Williams talking about Weed during one of his stand-up shows. TL;DR - Go read mofo.

Fuck that shit. Legalize it but age limit should be 30.

[QUOTE=Shiftyze;33020731]Pretty easy to get away with it in America. You just say you have bad allergies. They can't just give you a urine test for weed there. They might have you walk in a line but nothing past that. I drove high every single day. Easiest shit to do.[/QUOTE] Its not a urine test here its a blood test. We also don't have to do any of that silly shit Americans have to do when suspected of being drunk driving, every police officer just has a breathalizer. It may be easy but it is not safe.

but it should be used as an official medication for cancers, no matter the age [editline]29th October 2011[/editline] Using marijuana for no reason whatsoever is just dumb in my opinion

[QUOTE=Garik;33020890]but it should be used as an official medication for cancers, no matter the age [editline]29th October 2011[/editline] Using marijuana for no reason whatsoever is just dumb in my opinion[/QUOTE] Do you have that same stance on alcohol?

[QUOTE=Stormcharger;33020903]Do you have that same stance on alcohol?[/QUOTE] Kinda. [editline]29th October 2011[/editline] But stoners I've met in my life were quite the fucking dicks and couldn't shut the fuck up about "Legalize it, legalize it now" I don't know about you, but people like those affect in my opinions

[QUOTE=TehWhale;33017217][b]people make informed decisions[/b] to use drugs that they want?[/QUOTE] Four pages late, but this honestly made me laugh.

I don't really understand why everyone's saying that legalizing will fix so many problems. Sure, it'll fix some problems, we'll get to take it easy without too many negatives, and it might help out Mexico, and that's always a plus. But I don't see how making one drug legal is going to do much. I doubt its status as some miracle cure, is what I'm saying. Note, I'm not looking for a debate. I myself am pro-legalization. I simply want to be informed.

[QUOTE=Garik;33020921]Kinda. [editline]29th October 2011[/editline] But stoners I've met in my life were quite the fucking dicks and couldn't shut the fuck up about "Legalize it, legalize it now" I don't know about you, but people like those affect in my opinions[/QUOTE] thats a little bit silly basing your views on all people who smoke weed by the few stoners you have met.

[QUOTE=Stormcharger;33021384]thats a little bit silly basing your views on all people who smoke weed by the few stoners you have met.[/QUOTE] I agree, the people I usually hang with barely mention legalizing. The people that go "Legalize!" all the time are tiny faggits that can't smoke without shitting themselves a new pair at the "threat" of being caught.

My view of Marijuana is neutral. I don't smoke it. I don't like it when others smoke it. It doesn't harm the user, etc. They could legalize it and set a legal age such as 21 or something. But you have to think of the reaction of all the voters if Obama had just gone and legalized it. He'd lose tons of voters. His PR would be in the toilet.

I think it should be decriminalised as it is in the Netherlands. Remain illegal; but no penalty for private use. [editline]29th October 2011[/editline] Though I also think that idiots should be disallowed from being able to use pot. So set an IQ requirement of being >110 or 115 to make sure that the only people smoking pot have the capacity to be intelligent about it.

[QUOTE=Medevilae;33016931]Not when he has a good chance at getting reelected. Cross your fingers for action in his second term.[/QUOTE] 2011 american politics: cross your fingers for better policy, the most pro nanny state thing I've ever heard

[QUOTE=ExplodingGuy;33016917]TLDR; We ain't gonna do shit.[/QUOTE] As if they're going to do anything suggested by the people.

You Yanks should make a "Criminalize Alcohol Petition", just to see their justification on why it's legal

[QUOTE=TheHypnotoad;33020439]Whats the test list for identifying a DUI in the US? Considering if all they have to go on is smell (It's pretty distictive) Walk the line, count backwards in primes, sing the alphabet? I reckon I could do most of those whilst under influence but then lets say, lack concentration for driving.[/QUOTE] Not sure, I live in Canada. [editline]29th October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Garik;33020890]but it should be used as an official medication for cancers, no matter the age [editline]29th October 2011[/editline] Using marijuana for no reason whatsoever is just dumb in my opinion[/QUOTE] I don't have any painful ailments, I don't even get high off of weed, I just use it for no reason. :rolleyes:

Legalize it, set the age limit to at least 21, ban all uses of it in public, release the offenders from prison, and take all the money saved (after spending a significant amount regulating it, an expense that can't be ignored) into researching the potential dangers of it There, problem solved, next?

[QUOTE=Scar;33022694]You Yanks should make a "Criminalize Alcohol Petition", just to see their justification on why it's legal[/QUOTE] Actually, there's already one up in General Discussion, though it's less to criminalize it and instead to get the government's opinion on it.

[QUOTE=TehWhale;33017217]people make informed decisions to use drugs that they want?[/QUOTE]Uh, taking drugs is always a irrational decision, because in exchange for temporary pleasure you get long-term health issues [editline]29th October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Man Without Hat;33021924]I think it should be decriminalised as it is in the Netherlands. Remain illegal; but no penalty for private use. [editline]29th October 2011[/editline] Though I also think that idiots should be disallowed from being able to use pot. So set an IQ requirement of being >110 or 115 to make sure that the only people smoking pot have the capacity to be intelligent about it.[/QUOTE]Smart people are incabable of making stupid decisions?

And of course, facepunch (aka, a bunch of teenagers and young adults) think's they are all smarter than this guy.

[QUOTE=redBadger;33023627]And of course, facepunch (aka, a bunch of teenagers and young adults) think's they are all smarter than this guy.[/QUOTE] Well, yeah. I know dogs smarter than this guy. At least they know the difference between one thing and the other.

[QUOTE=RichyZ;33023652]no hes just backpedaling get your head out of your ass[/QUOTE] Yet whenever you bash alcohol, you never point the good things. You'll are on a one sided argument who can't see the other's point of view.

[QUOTE=Swilly;33023713]Yet whenever you bash alcohol, you never point the good things. You'll are on a one sided argument who can't see the other's point of view.[/QUOTE] We're a one-sided argument because the other side is retarded.

[QUOTE=Cone;33023729]We're a one-sided argument because the other side is retarded.[/QUOTE] How so? From what I've gathered from most Facepunchers they think legalizing drugs will suddenly solve all societal problems.

[QUOTE=redBadger;33023627]And of course, facepunch (aka, a bunch of teenagers and young adults) think's they are all smarter than this guy.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure that I've seen his entire response invalidated on a point-by-point basis on at least three sites. And his time as a police chief? There was also a corruption scandal in which he was accused of ordering drugs to be planted on suspects (source: [url]http://plusroyalistequeleroi.blogspot.com/2011/10/why-did-president-obama-appoint-gil.html[/url]). Why in the world would I take this man's word seriously? Why would I take the word of a man who is not only incorrect, but also a scumbag, seriously. I don't know if I'm smarter than him I'll admit that, but I know I'm definitely smarter than anyone who decides to listen to him.

[QUOTE=froztshock;33023913]I'm pretty sure that I've seen his entire response invalidated on a point-by-point basis on at least three sites. And his time as a police chief? There was also a corruption scandal in which he was accused of ordering drugs to be planted on suspects (source: [url]http://plusroyalistequeleroi.blogspot.com/2011/10/why-did-president-obama-appoint-gil.html[/url]). Why in the world would I take this man's word seriously? Why would I take the word of a man who is not only incorrect, but also a scumbag, seriously. I don't know if I'm smarter than him I'll admit that, but I know I'm definitely smarter than anyone who decides to listen to him.[/QUOTE] That site is entirely credible.

Obviously smoking anything is dangerous and yeah marijuana will damage your brain one way or another, but I don't think that's the point, the point is it's nowhere near as bad as tobacco or alcohol but both of those things are legal.